Holy mother of God.....Herman Cain is ahead of Republican field by 20 points!

[fiat_money]

And where is Cain's wifey? Why isnt she defending him publicly the way Hillary defended Bill after being accused of rape and sodomy??

Have you seen his wife?

If anything, her face/appearance lends some credence to the claims that he sexually harassed other women.

 

[kingblaze84]

Have you seen his wife?

If anything, her face/appearance lends some credence to the claims that he sexually harassed other women.

No, any pics??

 

[janklow]

How is Romney the frontrunner now? Cain is ahead in most polls now.

Romney has the backing of that "Republican elite" that you're always hearing candidates complain about. Romney has the advantage in money and developed organization(s) that tops those of other candidates.

look, Cain is the top in the polls... right now. he's not the first to have been first in said polls. however, the election is over a year away (don't get me started on how fucking ridiculous it is that we spend THIS GODDAMN LONG on the primaries) and there's a reason Romney can act like the frontrunner: because he essentially is until someone can truly demonstrate otherwise.

 

[dreadlock rasta]

Heard this nigga might be the anti christ

 

[kingblaze84]

Just saw Cain's wife's pics, shes not all that but no one forced Cain to marry her. I guess even God fearing Christians get bad urges. More proof religion is a sham and does little to help people in the long run.

 

[kingblaze84]

Romney has the backing of that "Republican elite" that you're always hearing candidates complain about. Romney has the advantage in money and developed organization(s) that tops those of other candidates.

look, Cain is the top in the polls... right now. he's not the first to have been first in said polls. however, the election is over a year away (don't get me started on how fucking ridiculous it is that we spend THIS GODDAMN LONG on the primaries) and there's a reason Romney can act like the frontrunner: because he essentially is until someone can truly demonstrate otherwise.

Cain, in either case, is still ahead in the polls and for now has the support of the Tea Party and regular Republican voters. If Cain continues building his lead over Romney, the elites may finally cave and give Cain the cash he needs to win the GOP nomination. Even if the elites refuse to help Cain, which is likely, regular Republican voters can still give Cain the cash he needs to win. He has the grassroots support, and Tea Party activists are even encouraging Bachmann to drop out the race so more Tea Party members can support Cain. Most Americans don't think the harassment charges are serious, according to an ABC poll, and this could explain Cain receiving millions in donations since the stories broke. It's early true, but February is closer than you think. That's when the Iowa caucus begins. Remember my thread in February.

 

[kingblaze84]

Heard this nigga might be the anti christ

His policies certainly remind me of something an anti-christ like character would support. Cain has publicly said Israel can do what it wants in the Middle East, and we all know that's a recipe for disaster for Americans. Letting Israel run wild with the Palestinians is only gonna bring America more hatred and more terrorism in the region, not like Cain cares about America though. Than again, Democrats don't seem to care about America either.

 

[janklow]

Cain, in either case, is still ahead in the polls and for now has the support of the Tea Party and regular Republican voters.

let's start right here. when we say Cain is "still ahead in the polls," we're talking about polls that say things like "Cain 23%, Romney 22%." this is, to say the least:

-within the margin of error;

-not an impressive lead, especially at this point;

-not something that tells us "Cain has the support of regular Republican voters"

i'll give you the Tea Party thing, but they've also looked a little fickle this year.

If Cain continues building his lead over Romney, the elites may finally cave and give Cain the cash he needs to win the GOP nomination. Even if the elites refuse to help Cain, which is likely, regular Republican voters can still give Cain the cash he needs to win.

to be perfectly frank, the fact that you acknowledge Cain needs to be giving the cash he NEEDS to win the GOP nomination implies that you accept my notion that Romney (who has the cash) should be considered the front-runner, not Cain. so why the debate?

He has the grassroots support, and Tea Party activists are even encouraging Bachmann to drop out the race so more Tea Party members can support Cain.

...and because she is an embarrassment, and a "non-serious candidate."

Most Americans don't think the harassment charges are serious, according to an ABC poll, and this could explain Cain receiving millions in donations since the stories broke.

i think it's closer to "hundreds of thousands" than "millions." it's still impressive, but i don't think "fundraising well in the wake of a sexual harassment scandal" is the best thing a candidate can say about themselves.

It's early true, but February is closer than you think. That's when the Iowa caucus begins. Remember my thread in February.

you might not want me to. remember also that all this time before February, before the election, etc, etc is time that scandals like Cain's current one have to take on legs and effect the opinions of voters.

 

[kingblaze84]

Solid points. A new poll shows Romney with the lead now, so again i could be wrong and yes it is early. We'll see how things look this week

 

[janklow]

Solid points. A new poll shows Romney with the lead now, so again i could be wrong and yes it is early. We'll see how things look this week

true, only time will resolve this. also, let me be clear: it's not impossible for Romney NOT to be the nominee. he's obviously been slow to click with many Republican voters. he's flip-flopped on a ton of issues, which hurts him with the one-issue voters. some people are bigots and hate Mormons (although i imagine bigots don't love Cain much). so could he NOT be the front-runner and NOT be the nominee in 2012? sure.

 

[Friend or Foe II]

herman cain is the perfect tea party candidate. hes a conduit for the koch brother's money, is intelligent, narccistic and vain, and is a black guy who is a master at using coded racism.

the republicans are far to the right of the american people right now (their debates are hilarious though, they are basically in a contest to see who can be the most insane.) theres no enthusiasm for obama but these guys are scary. the politics of lesser evilism will get obama in but I predict a record level of voter abstention. "You have to support us because look how batshit insane our opponents are" is wearing a bit thin.

 

[ustreet_monsta]

Looks like Cain is done. Theres probably a couple hundred women out there who all have the same story.

 

[kingblaze84]

The last 3 posts are pretty much on point. Cain is in disaster mode and could be done, Obama is smiling at the competition, and Romney has been suspiciously quiet lately. He's letting Cain hang himself and Obama is doing the same. Cain still has vast support from Republicans based on me tuning in to Rush Limbaugh lately (it's been painful at times hearing him but surprisingly funny, though Limbaugh is a complete fucking idiot), so who knows maybe Cain is safe.

60% chance Romney takes it now, although again, it's still early. The week will get more interesting.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I don't know all that much about Cain. I know people in here are probably writing him off because he's a Black Republican. He has said some pretty smart things though. He's one of the few presidential candidates ever to come out and admit the fact the he doesn't outright know everything when it comes to being president. Seems simple, but most of the guys make all these promises and act like they got all the answers when they don't have a clue what's going on. That's why I'd respect someone who acknowledges that more. Cain said he would make sure to surround himself with the right people, and that's a good thing.

I think he is in trouble with all controversy about to explode. That one thing I hate about politics though. Why are all these women coming out now? If he was a lout, why didn't they sue him and take him to court then? Why wait til he's trying to do something major to come out of the wood works?

 

[Bully_Pulpit]

Looks like Cain is done. Theres probably a couple hundred women out there who all have the same story.

cant you see the more women that come forward the more diluted the original claims become, its the perfect strategy to vindicate Cain, just plant a few fake claims so all of them seem fake. You gotta know how these devils think

 

[janklow]

Cain still has vast support from Republicans based on me tuning in to Rush Limbaugh lately (it's been painful at times hearing him but surprisingly funny, though Limbaugh is a complete fucking idiot)

one thing you have to remember is that Rush Limbaugh doesn't run for office and cares much more about pandering for his ratings than promoting the best possible candidate

 

[kingblaze84]

one thing you have to remember is that Rush Limbaugh doesn't run for office and cares much more about pandering for his ratings than promoting the best possible candidate

All true but Herman Cain still has solid support, he has regained the lead against Romney in the latest poll and his campaign claims he has been given 9 million in just 2 weeks!!! Shit is crazy I never thought this dude had a shot to win the GOP nomination in the beginning but as I said pages ago, I think Cain is gonna win the nomination.

 

[kingblaze84]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ay-race-with-romney-gingrich/?tag=pop;stories

Cain ahead in latest poll

 

[janklow]

All true but Herman Cain still has solid support, he has regained the lead against Romney in the latest poll ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ay-race-with-romney-gingrich/?tag=pop;stories

Cain ahead in latest poll

i don't know how accurate i consider this. counterpoints:

McClatchy-Marist Poll (11.11.11):

Among Republican and Republican leaning independents, here is how the contest stands:
• 23% for Mitt Romney
• 19% for Newt Gingrich
• 17% for Herman Cain
• 10% for Ron Paul
• 8% for Rick Perry
• 5% for Michele Bachmann
• 1% for Jon Huntsman
• 1% for Rick Santorum
• 17% are undecided

...which puts Cain tied for third with undecided. but to be fair, it's a competitive third and drops off after him.

also, the CBS-NYT poll you mention (which might be slightly earlier than the previous poll there):

Cain has lost support among women since late October. Then, he led among women, garnering 28% of their support. Now, his support among women is just 15%. He has also lost ground with conservatives, from 30% to 23% now. And there has been some movement among Tea Party supporters as well; their support for Cain has declined from 32% to 19%.

so it gives Cain a NARROW lead (still a lead, true) and shows him trending downward, which is not where you want to be when you're up by 3%.

and honestly, here's the takeaway, i think: Bachmann and Perry and Cain (and sort of Gingrich) have rised in polls, and have fallen. Romney has ALWAYS hovered around the top or been first in the polls. this is why he'll be a frontrunner for the foreseeable future. he remains smarter and more likeable than Bachmann/Perry; FAR more likeable than goddamn Gingrich; and should be tested well against scandal, unlike, apparently, Cain.

 

[kingblaze84]

i don't know how accurate i consider this. counterpoints:

McClatchy-Marist Poll (11.11.11):
...which puts Cain tied for third with undecided. but to be fair, it's a competitive third and drops off after him.

also, the CBS-NYT poll you mention (which might be slightly earlier than the previous poll there):
so it gives Cain a NARROW lead (still a lead, true) and shows him trending downward, which is not where you want to be when you're up by 3%.

and honestly, here's the takeaway, i think: Bachmann and Perry and Cain (and sort of Gingrich) have rised in polls, and have fallen. Romney has ALWAYS hovered around the top or been first in the polls. this is why he'll be a frontrunner for the foreseeable future. he remains smarter and more likeable than Bachmann/Perry; FAR more likeable than goddamn Gingrich; and should be tested well against scandal, unlike, apparently, Cain.

All great points, it seems Gingrich is on the way up now. He treated his ex wives horribly though and has an even bigger woman problem than Cain does. Gingrich divorced one of his wives on her hospital bed while she was dying of cancer!!!! LOL.....if this is the best field Republicans have, Obama might moonwalk to a landslide next year. I won't be voting for him but it'll be funny to see Obama destroy the competition, if for any reason because Republicans are still so much worse than Democrats (though I dislike both)