“He ain’t saying shit, he just using big words out of context.”

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a dude selling crack is more relatble is more than a dude talking about parting fucking molecules and shit.I grew up around crack dealers and gangbangers...how many people part molecules?lol...

This is relatble and lyrical...

[video=youtube;8h0dHS6GP-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0dHS6GP-A&feature=related[/video]
 
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bankrupt baller;3767168 said:
lol i never heard of the bolded

LL got alotta Friends in high places and I heard he fucked up alotta shit for Canibus
 
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Paul Hate.;3768739 said:
a dude selling crack is more relatble is more than a dude talking about parting fucking molecules and shit.I grew up around crack dealers and gangbangers...how many people part molecules?lol...

This is relatble and lyrical...

[video=youtube;8h0dHS6GP-A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0dHS6GP-A&feature=related[/video]

Only recently do people take this so literally.This whole "relatabilty" concept. Now its as if you had to literally be in the kitchen with them cookin it up to say you 'can relate' which is a stupid and evasive way of debating. When it was always understood that the mindset, reality, desperation and close-to-home feel of those raps,rappers and albums is what made them great
 
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A MC spitting lyrical battle rhymes that can be understood..

[video=youtube;lpuVaCA8_gg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpuVaCA8_gg[/video]

^thats how u do it...

And bis blackballed himself with his attitude:[video=youtube;2YrNOiYwtkM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YrNOiYwtkM[/video]
 
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almighty breeze;3768784 said:
Only recently do people take this so literally.This whole "relatabilty" concept. Now its as if you had to literally be in the kitchen with them cookin it up to say you 'can relate' which is a stupid and evasive way of debating. When it was always understood that the mindset, reality, desperation and close-to-home feel of those raps,rappers and albums is what made them great

^Well i think youre trynna say that you didnt have to actually cook the crack to be able to relate to a nigga rapping about cooking crack,right?

Yeah nowadays these rap fans will be like "well you aint never murdered nobody why you like Game?"..lol..Homie,ive been around the shit and niggas that think like that,grew up around that mentality...
 
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Paul Hate.;3768817 said:
A MC spitting lyrical battle rhymes that can be understood..

[video=youtube;lpuVaCA8_gg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpuVaCA8_gg[/video]

^thats how u do it...

And bis blackballed himself with his attitude:[video=youtube;2YrNOiYwtkM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YrNOiYwtkM[/video]

Nas is dope, that's without question, but

[video=youtube;BN8biMDFYU8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8biMDFYU8[/video]

But back to the thread's original purpose, where are the songs that he's using big words to no avail?

All I've seen are people who admit that: they don't like his subject matter now (understandable) or his beat selection (also understandable), or they just aren't feeling his music now (again, understandable).

Where are the songs where "he ain't saying shit?"
 
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His flow and delivery is off on alot of tracks..dude cant alter his shit to match tracks and stay on a subject alot of people can get with man..

canibus only interested me on his features,2round ko and get retarded..His beat selection was off and he was mostly on awkard subjects and battle rhymes..wtfff...a waste of talent.

Hes the MC battle rappers that wanna make albums should NOT be....Hes a monument of what NOT to do when you get in the booth.Exactly what i fucking despise in rappers..
 
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He beat Bis in a battle before, but his discography doesn't measure up to this point.

um no. heavy mental, priesthood, black august, black august revisited, the offering, behind stained glass, 3 day theory > canibus discography. i've heard the PWOWW album sampler too. far better than that shitty lyrical law album. again, priest and bis are like the same type of rapper, except one does what the other one tries to do. one knows how to make albums and the other doesn't.
 
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lol man I posted a song where he aint saying nuthing really..just big words slapped together that dont make NO sense.
 
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Paul Hate.;3768940 said:
His flow and delivery is off on alot of tracks..dude cant alter his shit to match tracks and stay on a subject alot of people can get with man..

canibus only interested me on his features,2round ko and get retarded..His beat selection was off and he was mostly on awkard subjects and battle rhymes..wtfff...a waste of talent.

Hes the MC battle rappers that wanna make albums should NOT be....Hes a monument of what NOT to do when you get in the booth.Exactly what i fucking despise in rappers..

[video=youtube;nJRT_wMvEqE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJRT_wMvEqE[/video]

KeepinItHundred;3768945 said:
um no. heavy mental, priesthood, black august, black august revisited, the offering, behind stained glass, 3 day theory > canibus discography. i've heard the PWOWW album sampler too. far better than that shitty lyrical law album. again, priest and bis are like the same type of rapper, except one does what the other one tries to do. one knows how to make albums and the other doesn't.

You prefer Priest, I prefer Bis.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's all opinion, right?

Paul Hate.;3768952 said:
lol man I posted a song where he aint saying nuthing really..just big words slapped together that dont make NO sense.

Again, you may not get the material on the first listen (or even the second if you so choose).

That doesn't mean he's not "talking about shit," it means you don't get the material, hence the "just big words slapped together that don't make no sense."

Even if I posted how I interpreted the songs, will it matter if your mind is already made up?
 
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Not liking an artist who uses a large vocabulary doesn't mean you don't understand it..and enjoying certain music doesn't mean you're not smart or don't have a good education...I know niggas with Master's Degrees that ride about bumping Gucci, Waka Flocka, and all sorts of ignorant shit just because musically, it's what they like to hear at times...the problem with Canibus is that, as it's been said he doesn't make music people can relate to...and it's the way he presents his music...people been using Jay and Big as examples so look at it like this...a Jay or Big song about hustling, you can relate to maybe not the hustling itself but the drive to simply want to do better than your immediate surroundings...the avg. person can relate to that emotion and the way they convey it...Cannibus just never learned how to do that
 
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I aint never been a Canibus fan to be honest, but from some of the verses I read, dude kicks some hard ass lyrics. I think his flow and voice might throw me off though.h or his choice of beats maybe? I might have to go back and listen again
 
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bankrupt baller;3768720 said:
and what was that exactly?

Taking on the biggest challenges, (i.e LL Cool J and Eminem) knowing you won't have the media or industry backing they have.

Joe tried this with Jay-Z, where did that get him?
Royce tried with Eminem at one point, where did that get him?

Actually making a name for yourself the majority of your career as a solo artist.

Say what you want about Bis, but look at where Royce is now, and ask yourself: would he or even the other members of Slaughterhouse (with all of the talent they have, or the material they released themselves) get even half of this attention they're getting now, if they didn't align with Eminem?

almighty breeze;3768712 said:
are you missing the point on purpose?

I know some of you won't read this, but it's worth posting anyway.

CANIBUS: Rhetorically speaking, that sort of goes back to what I was saying about the ideology of rap music in the '80's. It was a mode of communication that you could learn from. Artists would sit down and write about their beliefs and they'd be technical about it. Artists like Rakim, for example. Big Daddy Kane, he'd use language that you didn't use in school and you didn't know it. But by hearing him say it then you'd go to school and you'd try to find out what he was talking about. Artist like The Gza, Killah Priest, Ras Kass, we all came up listening to relatively the same type of music and trying to emulate that in our own way. We wanted to be prophets, if you will, of an unexplored science.

I feel like my lyricism and the dexterity of it has come from trying to recreate and recapture what was being done when I was coming up. I wanna say things that provoke emotion. Because emotion manifests thought and thought manifest words and words manifest action and action manifests reality. Those are the five keys to making something that is in your imagination become real. First I see somebody rapping or I see people doing graffiti or a DJ spinning outside at a little block party. I'm out there and I see somebody get on stage. I see Grandmaster Caz get on stage and rhyme or I see Roxanne Shante or MC Shan or KRS One rocking.

Seeing that invokes an emotion in me and that emotion turns into a thought. I'm really moved by what they're doing so I wanna do it too. And then after the thought comes the words. I start talking about how I'm going to do it. Then the action is me writing the rhymes and me going to all these talent shows and all the battles that I've experienced and been through. And then it becomes a reality.


Now I walk down the street and if it's in a town where people love Hip-Hop music and somebody sees me, it doesn't matter what I'm doing or where I'm at, I could be overseas, somebody is going to say – yo man, you look like Canibus. I didn't make it that way by skipping any of those steps; I made it that way by following each and every one of those steps. I'm just emulating what I came up seeing. And I'm doing it in my way, I'm putting my tint on it and I'm grateful for being able to have done it and I'm grateful for the fans. They give me the energy back that I have been putting out there for so many years. And that's why I say I'm only doing what I was impressed upon to do.

My thing right now, if you want to know what I wish I could do or what I hope to do or what I'm charged to do or what I'm compelled to do right now, it's to inspire people who are writing rhymes. If they got profound statements and lyrics and they're just putting all their time and energy into writing the poetry, I would just like to inspire them to feel as though it's not in vain when you make the music and it doesn't sell off the charts. It's still not in vain. People are still listening and you're still making a difference.

But in order to inspire them I have to have some level of success too. That's my biggest penchant, just being successful. I'm successful at being a lyricist, successful at being known for stellar lyricism but there is no other success. And I think that is uninspiring to a fan that has got lyrics out of this world but they want to go get a record deal and they want to go buy their mom a house and they want to go floss and run around town.

No one ranks the success of the lyricism, they only rank material success and that's the hardest internal war that I have had to fight. Saying to myself, does it matter? Well of course it matters! If I go to the show and here I am performing for 3000 people and I show up walking to the venue and I leave walking, does it make me any less of a lyricist? No. But how does it look to the fan that's saying – man, Canibus is incredible. Then he sees me and it's like – Canibus ain't what I thought he was gonna be. That shit fucks with me more than anything else.

That's why a lot of times I am reclusive and I am a recluse. Just like Rakim, just like Big Daddy Kane. I'm not putting their business out there like that because for all I know everything could be peachy with them. I'm just saying that if people sit there and they're wondering like – yo man, why don't you do shows, why don't you come out, the people just wanna see you.

Yea, I know people want to see me. But once they see me, how does that inspire them? Does it make them go home and switch up their shit? And say – yo, I don't want to be lyrical no more, fuck that, I need to just make me some club songs ‘cause I need to get on the radio; I don't wanna be like Canibus; I don't want to speak my mind and try to make the art grow and get blackballed, I don't wanna be like him.

I'm so glad you asked me this question and I ended up saying this, because it's embarrassing to talk about it sometimes. It's like, how can you have eight or nine albums out and be a decade into the game and still be scrambling to get studio time and scrambling to get backing from artists who get backing in an industry where I helped create a lot of the shit that's out there now. If Hip-Hop is a religion then I am one of the disciples. I'm one of the twelve too, I'm not like the fucking thirtieth disciple; I'm in the twelve.


http://riotsound.com/hip-hop/rap/interviews/canibus/index.php
 
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cobbland;3768604 said:
Joey could rhyme his ass off, but he nor the members of Slaughterhouse will be able to do what Bis did as a solo artist.

Jay-Z and BIG had better formal educations than Bis initially, he just furthered his while they chose a different route.

Budden >>> Bis
 
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I'm a big fan of Canibus, mostly because I like lyrics that have meaning behind them. If I have to hear the lyrics a few times over or look up some of the words/concepts to get the full meaning i'm ok with that. You do the same shit when you're trying to dig up the meaning of anything else that you don't get initially. I think he was wrong to do battle with LL though, simply because he could have used his partnership with LL to propel himself higher in the industry/hip-hop world.
 
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Paul Hate.;3768168 said:
No.He fell of the mainstream radar cuz he was difficult to work with blowoffing of studio sessions,features and veteran artists and producers.

Lets not even get into he doesnt make relatble music.

wtf is this man...:

[video=youtube;U1jCkXck_lU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1jCkXck_lU[/video]

IMO outta all the Canibus songs to choose from in terms of rapping about nothing this is a horrible example imo...
 
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