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[nicky the don]

But thats the catch tho. The Targaryans still have supporters, but mostly to their own agandas. It its not neccasarily the common people that don't want her on the throne, its the other houses like the Lannisters, Barathions, and Starks. Lannisters don't want her on the throne because they want to rule themselves. Barathions and Starks had personal beef with the mad king for killing their family. As far as I understand when it came to the common people themselves, they lived in peace and prosperity during the Targaryan rule. Remember when Ser Jorah said that the common people dont care whose on the throne just as long as they have food, rights, and live in peace. And the last time the common people had that is when the Mad king ruled. Yeah the nigga was crazy as shit but seemed to mostly keep his violent outburst toward the other major houses. Soon as Robert took the throne within 10 yrs he pretty much bankrupted all of Westeros. Thats why I think Dany would make a better ruler than all of them because she has the capability to be a fair and peacful ruler. And people are sleeping on the fact that she's learning about how to be a ruler from not only Drogo from the war side of things but Ser Jorah who's seen it all and knows himself how to play the game because he was a Lord himself. Probably would have stayed a lord if his weakness wasn't trying to satisfy his expensive wife that cost him his honor, which of course in the North, means everything.

Yeah that’s something I overlooked, Dany could definitely relate to those women. But in the world we’ve seen so far it is better to be feared than respected. Her compassion gives her the potential to be a great ruler down the line, but compassion doesn’t win the game of thrones. You need to be violent, evil & conniving to get the crown and even more so to keep it.

Ned did the right thing and had compassion for the Queen and her kids. What did that get him? He in a dungeon, his household dead, one daughter on the lamb and another held prisoner. Hopefully Dany is rewarded for her compassion.

Both of these are good post and show just how good the writing for this show is.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

But thats the catch tho. The Targaryans still have supporters, but mostly to their own agandas. It its not neccasarily the common people that don't want her on the throne, its the other houses like the Lannisters, Barathions, and Starks.

But the only way she could get the crown is through war. Which totally nullifies this point below.....

As far as I understand when it came to the common people themselves, they lived in peace and prosperity during the Targaryan rule. Remember when Ser Jorah said that the common people dont care whose on the throne just as long as they have food, rights, and live in peace. And the last time the common people had that is when the Mad king ruled.

Thats why I think Dany would make a better ruler than all of them because she has the capability to be a fair and peacful ruler. And people are sleeping on the fact that she's learning about how to be a ruler from not only Drogo from the war side of things but Ser Jorah who's seen it all and knows himself how to play the game because he was a Lord himself. Probably would have stayed a lord if his weakness wasn't trying to satisfy his expensive wife that cost him his honor, which of course in the North, means everything.

You think she'd make a better ruler cause she stopped some women from getting raped? As if she wasn't 1 simp away from drinking poison....

She has 0 qualifications for being a ruler. Controlling the throne means controlling the 7 kingdoms and the politics of the kings court. That's the devil of the job. Not conquering. Not "liking ppl." It's dealing with the politics of the families. Specifically the Lannisters and King Robert. King Robert is totally out of the way. And the Lannisters are currently on the thrown and 10times stronger than Drogo's ppl. As of right now you have no factual evidence to prove that she would be able to sit on the throne and rule righteously.

And the Barrathians are still the rightful heirs to the throne. So she would have to defeat 2 families in individual conquest to assume the throne. Nope, not happening. Lol its quite laughable. Because we keep saying "she" as if "she" is going to do anything beside show up at the end and save a couple of slaves.

She can't fight. She is as powerful as Drogo allows her to be. She remains alive as long as Jorah continues to love her. Next to Ned, she's easily the most flawed character. And her strengths depend on too many OTHER ppl's strengths. Until she can stand on her own two she can't be anything more than Drogo's inspiration.

 

[_Ozymandias_]

Yeah that’s something I overlooked, Dany could definitely relate to those women. But in the world we’ve seen so far it is better to be feared than respected. Her compassion gives her the potential to be a great ruler down the line, but compassion doesn’t win the game of thrones. You need to be violent, evil & conniving to get the crown and even more so to keep it.

Ned did the right thing and had compassion for the Queen and her kids. What did that get him? He in a dungeon, his household dead, one daughter on the lamb and another held prisoner. Hopefully Dany is rewarded for her compassion.

yeah, the idea of when to use compassion/mercy seemed to be one of the themes of this episode.

-the eunich telling ned that his mercy got the king killed

-the hill tribes sparing tyrion

-rob showing mercy to the lannister scout

-dany saving the sheep women

-sansa begging joffrey for her father's life

deciding when to show mercy for personal gain is playing a big role on who the winners and losers will be

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I never said she's fit to rule right now but that she can grow into the ruler she needs to be. Like I said before she's going to learn later on that she's going to have to sacrafice, kiss some ass, be evil and coniving eventually but she's just now starting to see how that world works so of course its going to take time.

P.S..........I've read the books bro.....trying not to drop spoilers so we can discuss as we watch the season play out. LOL

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Get out of here! lol

 

[_Ozymandias_]

But the only way she could get the crown is through war. Which totally nullifies this point below.....

You think she'd make a better ruler cause she stopped some women from getting raped? As if she wasn't 1 simp away from drinking poison....

She has 0 qualifications for being a ruler. Controlling the throne means controlling the 7 kingdoms and the politics of the kings court. That's the devil of the job. Not conquering. Not "liking ppl." It's dealing with the politics of the families. Specifically the Lannisters and King Robert. King Robert is totally out of the way. And the Lannisters are currently on the thrown and 10times stronger than Drogo's ppl. As of right now you have no factual evidence to prove that she would be able to sit on the throne and rule righteously.

And the Barrathians are still the rightful heirs to the throne. So she would have to defeat 2 families in individual conquest to assume the throne. Nope, not happening. Lol its quite laughable. Because we keep saying "she" as if "she" is going to do anything beside show up at the end and save a couple of slaves.

She can't fight. She is as powerful as Drogo allows her to be. She remains alive as long as Jorah continues to love her. Next to Ned, she's easily the most flawed character. And her strengths depend on too many OTHER ppl's strengths. Until she can stand on her own two she can't be anything more than Drogo's inspiration.

sorry man, but i don't think you're giving dany enough credit. no, she doesn't control any armies or houses, but she does have control over drogo. as long as she can keep manipulating drogo with her pillow talk, she will be one of the most powerful characters on the show. and all the characters are flawed and dependent on others' strengths, even the most powerful ones.

king robert was in debt to, lied to and killed by the lannisters.

ned is completely ignorant to the politics of the kings court

cersei is only as powerful as her father's money & her brother's army and if her secret become known she maybe done

jamie is a hothead, not well respected, and also has the secret hanging over his head

tyrion is smart but weak

rob is young and inexperienced

jon snow is a bastard with no claim to the stark household

drogo has no knowledge of the seven kingdoms or the politics of how to control it

everyone on the council are lackeys

imo, dany is just as good position as anyone else, except maybe tywin lannister. he's the only real person who doesn't need anyone to maintain his power.

 

[bignorm73]

Dany trusting a slave woman with her husband is bad.

Thats all.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

As long as Dany is married to Drogo, she can be as compassionate as she wants. When it comes to being violent, I think he's got that part covered pretty well. All she really has to learn how to do choose when to be compassionate and when to let her husband fuck shit up.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Damn can you fag niggas who read the books please shut the fuck up?

 

[rice n gravy]

Damn can you fag niggas who read the books please shut the fuck up?

forreal whenever i see the word book or spoiler i get the stevie wonder eyes

 

[b*braze]

Yeah, they need to start their own thread for that shit.

Reminds me of when there was a thread about The Wire on the old IC and someone leaked that Kenard was gonna kill Omar.

It was funny because niggas were swearing up and down that dude was either lying or didn't know what he was talking about.

I was pissed when I found out he was telling the truth.

Til this day I envy anyone who got to see that scene without knowing it was gonna happen.

most shocking moment of television for me ever.

cold part about it was how insignificant it turned out to be in the grand scheme of shit. nigga was a afterthought.

nigga marlo was all, "yall aint heard? man, omar bagged up. i dont even know the who or the why."

damn near shed a tear at this...

 

[b*braze]

As long as Dany is married to Drogo, she can be as compassionate as she wants. When it comes to being violent, I think he's got that part covered pretty well. All she really has to learn how to do choose when to be compassionate and when to let her husband fuck shit up.

im lookin forward to seein more of this. khal drogo a fuckin beast

 

[bignorm73]

Yeah, that wire thread spoiler was WOAT.

And if you read the book, shut up.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

sorry man, but i don't think you're giving dany enough credit. no, she doesn't control any armies or houses, but she does have control over drogo. as long as she can keep manipulating drogo with her pillow talk, she will be one of the most powerful characters on the show. and all the characters are flawed and dependent on others' strengths, even the most powerful ones.

king robert was in debt to, lied to and killed by the lannisters.
ned is completely ignorant to the politics of the kings court
cersei is only as powerful as her father's money & her brother's army and if her secret become known she maybe done
jamie is a hothead, not well respected, and also has the secret hanging over his head
tyrion is smart but weak
rob is young and inexperienced
jon snow is a bastard with no claim to the stark household
drogo has no knowledge of the seven kingdoms or the politics of how to control it
everyone on the council are lackeys

imo, dany is just as good position as anyone else, except maybe tywin lannister. he's the only real person who doesn't need anyone to maintain his power.

Lol I'm not trying to rag on Dany. But I feel like y'all are giving her way waaaay too much credit at this point in time. As of right, for what she's proven she's capable of, she really really really should not get far in the Game. Does she have "potential" to be the most powerful. Eh...yeah I guess. But that potential you're giving her all comes down to favoritism not reality. Because you don't even know if Drogo's armies are strong enough to take on 1 of the 7 kingdoms, let alone all 7. Nigga doesn't even have ships yet lol.

 

[S.jR.]

cersei is only as powerful as her father's money & her brother's army and if her secret become known she maybe done

jamie is a hothead, not well respected, and also has the secret hanging over his head

everyone on the council are lackeys

Agreed on the first two about if their secret got out.. that second part about the the council I don't.... Petyr Baelish is no lackey, he's playing everyone.. IMO, though him coming for the throne he would have a lot of work to do.

 

[S.jR.]

Little Finger seem to be on that self preservation type steez which makes him the most dangerous out of all of them. He has spies everywhere and knows all the secrets. So he got leverage on everyone one in power. Which makes it easy for him to switch alligences easily and without much consequence. And even though he's not a fighter, his intelligence makes him as G as all the rest of them. Just like Tyrion. Their intelligence is their strength and they use it to the fullest.

Yup, I mean he even said it to Ned like it was nothing "If Joffery seem likely to cause problems when he comes to his throne, then we reveal his little secret and put Lord Renly on the throne." He has no alliance to anyone but himself.. just setting his own self up to gain even more power. Petyr Baelish is not to be overlooked.

 

[gdatruth2.0]

Yup, I mean he even said it to Ned like it was nothing "If Joffery seem likely to cause problems when he comes to his throne, then we reveal his little secret and put Lord Renly on the throne." He has no alliance to anyone but himself.. just setting his own self up to gain even more power. Petyr Baelish is not to be overlooked.

Based on his conversation at the whore house, his effection for Cat and the fact Ned’s brother split him open I’m sure he got alil extra joy setting Ned up. He finally got one up on the Starks. I think just saw Ned as an easy pawn he could manipulate but once he realized Ned had too much honor to fuck with his plans he went with the Queen.

I wonder whats the backstory regarding the knife though. It hasn’t been addressed in awhile, but then again there more pressing matters.

 

[S.jR.]

Based on his conversation at the whore house, his effection for Cat and the fact Ned’s brother split him open I’m sure he got alil extra joy setting Ned up. He finally got one up on the Starks. I think just saw Ned as an easy pawn he could manipulate but once he realized Ned had too much honor to fuck with his plans he went with the Queen.

I wonder whats the backstory regarding the knife though. It hasn’t been addressed in awhile, but then again there more pressing matters.

Still doesn't mean he isn't capable of it.. I mean he could've just as easy rolled with Ned and had the Gold Cloaks attack the Lannisters men. He just chose based on his ill feelings towards Ned. But that secret holds weight if properly used.

 

[_Ozymandias_]

Lol I'm not trying to rag on Dany. But I feel like y'all are giving her way waaaay too much credit at this point in time. As of right, for what she's proven she's capable of, she really really really should not get far in the Game. Does she have "potential" to be the most powerful. Eh...yeah I guess. But that potential you're giving her all comes down to favoritism not reality. Because you don't even know if Drogo's armies are strong enough to take on 1 of the 7 kingdoms, let alone all 7. Nigga doesn't even have ships yet lol.

yeah i agree that dany's power is pretty much based on potential right now, but conditions in the kingdom change so quickly, potential maybe enough in the right situation. look at rob. not that long ago he was a vey minor player. now he's leading an army into war.

and the reality of the situation is actually better for drogo and dany. they think they have to fight the whole kingdom. but the reality is that they are about to attack a nation that's in civil war. while the lannisters and starks are battling in the northern part of country. who is going to defend against a southern invansion?

and ftr, i haven't read the books. i'm just specatulating on what i think may happen. that's why i'm loving this show right now, you really can't predict what will happen next. every week more shit is added to the game.

 

[_Ozymandias_]

Agreed on the first two about if their secret got out.. that second part about the the council I don't.... Petyr Baelish is no lackey, he's playing everyone.. IMO, though him coming for the throne he would have a lot of work to do.

little finger is one of my favorite characters. i think outside of cersei, he's been playing the game the best so far. but he's still dependent heavily on others. so far he has just basically cosigned whoever was in the best position. when robert was king he just cosigned all his decisions. not that cersei is power he just cosigns her decisions. i've yet to see him actually make a major move on his own. watching him, and the rest of the council, help cersei manipulate the stark girl was kinda weak to me. i mean did it really take 4 people to gain control over a naive sixteen year old girl?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that none of this shit would be going on if Robert had treated Cersei a little more like a wife. She already admitted that at one time she adored him, and even towards the end after all they had been through, you could tell she still cared for him.