Has organized religion held human advancement back?

[zzombie]

The first universities and hospitials were basically created by organized religious states

 

[PILL_COSBY]

The first universities and hospitials were basically created by organized religious states

No they weren't. They were created after they got over their paranoia. Lets not change history now. They would have been created if it weren't for religions shutting them down and stopping them from organizing. Everybody talking that god shit until they need a knowledgeable human to heal them. Then it's off to the hospital, not the church. Do you know how many times advancements in the study of the human body have been shut down? Do you know how many people died because of this?

The Catholic church has the worlds most powerful telescope. Not too long ago that was the work of the devil.......... ... ..What are they doing with the work of the devil in one of their most holiest of places? Muslims walk around in a fucking circle around a piece of fucking space rock. But shunned the study of them......? People have tried to study that piece rock but aren't allowed lol. Does any of this shit make any sense?

 

[zzombie]

The first universities and hospitials were basically created by organized religious states

No they weren't. They were created after they got over their paranoia. Lets not change history now. They would have been created if it weren't for religions shutting them down and stopping them from organizing. Everybody talking that god shit until they need a knowledgeable human to heal them. Then it's off to the hospital, not the church.



The Catholic church has the worlds most powerful telescope. Not too long ago that was the work of the devil.......... ... ..What are they doing with the work of the devil in one of their most holiest of places? Muslims walk around in a fucking circle around a piece of fucking space rock. But shunned the study of them......? People have tried to study thats pace rock but aren't allowed lol. Does any of this shit make any sense?

You are the one changing history and clearly you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, in the west the university system did not start during the enlightenment or even the renaissance it started in the middle ages.

and all that bullshit you wrote i put in bold is despite the point people can have religious belief and reason it's a modern misconception and idea that the two are mutually exclusive

 

[zzombie]

I am no catholic and believe that they are a corrupted church however historically the church did support science and the spread of knowledge.
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[zzombie]

Also outside of the west there was nalanda university it also was supported by religious people and started by hindus

 

[zzombie]

and timbuktu was also a religious institution

 

[soul rattler]

There is a distinct difference between early civilizations' spiritual institutions and what we know now to be religious institutions.

At one point, science was an extension of man's curiosity of how the universe worked and that translated into building new ways to live.

Then came religion, which introduced an unhealthy fear of the unknown and would threaten punishment against those who sought to learn more. For how dare we better educate ourselves on things only a benevolent god is supposed to have knowledge of?

 

[The_Jackal]

The first universities and hospitials were basically created by organized religious states

No they weren't. They were created after they got over their paranoia. Lets not change history now. They would have been created if it weren't for religions shutting them down and stopping them from organizing. Everybody talking that god shit until they need a knowledgeable human to heal them. Then it's off to the hospital, not the church. Do you know how many times advancements in the study of the human body have been shut down? Do you know how many people died because of this?

The Catholic church has the worlds most powerful telescope. Not too long ago that was the work of the devil.......... ... ..What are they doing with the work of the devil in one of their most holiest of places? Muslims walk around in a fucking circle around a piece of fucking space rock. But shunned the study of them......? People have tried to study thats pace rock but aren't allowed lol. Does any of this shit make any sense?

The university system that was created started durine the midle age by Charlemagne the great first empire of the HRE. There was no paranoia just survival was overall more important then knowledge something we take for granted. That's how I know the rest of your points are most likely uninformed bullshit. Let me guess there was a dark ages too.

 

[The_Jackal]

There is a distinct difference between early civilizations' spiritual institutions and what we know now to be religious institutions.

At one point, science was an extension of man's curiosity of how the universe worked and that translated into building new ways to live.

Then came religion, which introduced an unhealthy fear of the unknown and would threaten punishment against those who sought to learn more. For how dare we better educate ourselves on things only a benevolent god is supposed to have knowledge of?

Fudmentally wrong. The first great thinkers in society were religious.

 

[soul rattler]

There is a distinct difference between early civilizations' spiritual institutions and what we know now to be religious institutions.

At one point, science was an extension of man's curiosity of how the universe worked and that translated into building new ways to live.

Then came religion, which introduced an unhealthy fear of the unknown and would threaten punishment against those who sought to learn more. For how dare we better educate ourselves on things only a benevolent god is supposed to have knowledge of?

Fudmentally wrong. The first great thinkers in society were religious.

Again, there's spirituality and there's religion.

I just fucking said that in the very fucking post you just fucking quoted.

 

[The_Jackal]

There is a distinct difference between early civilizations' spiritual institutions and what we know now to be religious institutions.

At one point, science was an extension of man's curiosity of how the universe worked and that translated into building new ways to live.

Then came religion, which introduced an unhealthy fear of the unknown and would threaten punishment against those who sought to learn more. For how dare we better educate ourselves on things only a benevolent god is supposed to have knowledge of?

Fudmentally wrong. The first great thinkers in society were religious.

Again, there's spirituality and there's religion.

I just fucking said that in the very fucking post you just fucking quoted.

And I just fucking said your wrong because you are. The first philosophers of society were religious

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

well one can argue from both sides on this one. Faith by definition, is the antithesis of reason. Some religions do advance science but they only advance science that doesn't conflict with their religious narrative often. Just look at the opposition to heliocentrism by the church.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

 

[PILL_COSBY]

SMH, the treatment of women is horrible when it comes to most religions. They treat women like 2nd class citizens, property, and limits their lives. Just think of how many great female minds who made great advancements were shut down. All because of sexist religious beliefs. Sadly we will never know because they were more than likely "SILENCED" and erased from history. What's up with all the misogyny in religion? I mean sometimes I be reading these stories from these holy books and "do the homey" pops up in my mind(no homo). I swear, either a woman is slutting it up, not getting any dick at all, starting wars, getting raped/took advantage of, house wife, docile, or is just crazy. I can't ever remember any of them placing women in a good light. Where's the female prophets? Where's the female inventors? Where's the holy females who aint some mans back up? The strong bright beautiful women who healed the world? God only talks to men, gives them powers, but only rapes the women? There's always some fuck shit involved if there is any women who aren't stereotyped.

well one can argue from both sides on this one. Faith by definition, is the antithesis of reason. Some religions do advance science but they only advance science that doesn't conflict with their religious narrative often. Just look at the opposition to heliocentrism by the church.

Exactly what I said in my post. But they don't seem to want to speak on none of this though..........wonder why? religious folk always get quiet whenever you hit them with 100% facts. They always "try" to justify the fuck shit or act like it didn't happen(kinda like with white folks and all of their evil).

@soul rattler

lol, he knew what you meant, that's a classic religious dodge. They never speak on the bad parts of organized religion. It's very rare to run into these so called "saved people"(saved from what? lol) and get them to focus on all the tragedy organized religion has caused.

@zzombie

You vote yes and no. I see nothing but your "no" points of view. What are your yes point of views?

@The_Jackal

Would you stop being a blind religious sheep for once in your fake life and actually read my post. It's a whole lot of facts in there. I love how you so called religious folk love to duck and dodge whenever what you put your "faith" in gets questioned. Why did you completely ignore the thread and only go straight to my response to zombie?

I NEED ANSWERS.

And please stop with the foul language and the hateful E tone. I thought you christians were not supposed to use those "cursed" words smh. I swear, religious folk do a lot more sinning than none religious folks. Don't even try to refute this because people like me know people like you. We see all the fuck shit y'all do and then hide behind the religion you half ass believe in every day B. 90% break damn near every rule your religion has on a daily basis. SO PLEASE SAVE ALL THE "I'M MORE INFORMED/ENLIGHTENED THAN YOU" talk. Bring it down a little bruh, bring it down a notch.

 

[The_Jackal]

You made broad generalization and expect it to be accepted as fact. Name the great minds who were held back by religion. Never claimed I was more enlighten at all just that the time period that your whole thread premise refers to (Dark Ages) didn't actually exist and is stupid as fuck to even refer to it as such especially since it was literally caused by the vashgoths.

 

[zzombie]

i freely admit that there have been times especially in the west where the church has held back scientific inquiry but this was done for political more than religious reason

Your grand generalizations are stupid because religious people and organizations have also helped expand human reason and understanding. THE WHOLE premise of this thread is stupid and runs contrary to documented historical reality. Nalanda,timbuktu ,all the schools and hospitals the catholic church started is proof that religious organizations have helped humanity attain knowledge.

 

[alissowack]

It is how organized religions are used that holds us back. Organized religions suppose to give us better access to what particular religions believe and why they believe it; that there are "experts" that can give us a run down on how these religions go. However, it is used by those with selfish intentions to profit off of them. Understandably, organizations have to be able to fund the cause for this kind of access, but you have people who take ideologies about life, that suppose to be free, and sell it to us. It gets to the point where organized religions are viewed like competing brands of the same product; that one is better than the other...instead of religions being unique to one another. And if they are desperate, they will compromise the message or dilute the truth about their religions so to gain more "paying" followers.

 

[janklow]

problem with this poll is it will simply who's ANGRY ABOUT RELIGION ON THE INTERNET

 

[PILL_COSBY]

You made broad generalization and expect it to be accepted as fact. Name the great minds who were held back by religion. Never claimed I was more enlighten at all just that the time period that your whole thread premise refers to (Dark Ages) didn't actually exist and is stupid as fuck to even refer to it as such especially since it was literally caused by the vashgoths.

BRUH!!!!!!!!!! don't be afraid, read the post. There is no generalizations at all in my post. It's cold hard facts! Something you guys seem to have issues with whenever your faith gets questioned. The fuck are you talking about with this dark ages shit? When were the dark ages? Because religion acting all weird around anything that conflicts what's in their holy books has been happening for a very long time. It still happens today, are you blind to these facts? Or you see them but act like you don't.

Yo, what are your thoughts on Constantine? Please try to answer my question without all the dodges.

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i freely admit that there have been times especially in the west where the church has held back scientific inquiry but this was done for political more than religious reason

Your grand generalizations are stupid because religious people and organizations have also helped expand human reason and understanding. THE WHOLE premise of this thread is stupid and runs contrary to documented historical reality. Nalanda,timbuktu ,all the schools and hospitals the catholic church started is proof that religious organizations have helped humanity attain knowledge.

Some slave owners helped slaves learn to read and allowed them freedom. What does this have to do with the many lives and minds that were lost?

So what about the times that they didn't? What about the many known and unknown people slaughtered, locked away, and destroyed. How is that a generalization? You saying none of this happened(this is a yes or no question). Yeah religion helps. But nowhere near what it has destroyed, held back, blocked, etc etc.

Peep game:

Lets say 20 years ago. You're(ZZombie) on the verge of discovering anti gravity or a cure for aids/cancer. But you need help so you can fully get the hang of it and figure it out completely. You need money and resources. You go to people that have what you need and ask for help. They all say, "this is not what the religion wants us human beings to be doing, this goes against god!!!!!". Or they kill you, silence you, or destroy all of your work(or all of the above).

That right there is a huge loss for mankind don't cha think? Get where I'm going with this now? THAT'S THE WHOLE PREMISE OF MY THREAD!

 

[PILL_COSBY]

It is how organized religions are used that holds us back. Organized religions suppose to give us better access to what particular religions believe and why they believe it; that there are "experts" that can give us a run down on how these religions go. However, it is used by those with selfish intentions to profit off of them. Understandably, organizations have to be able to fund the cause for this kind of access, but you have people who take ideologies about life, that suppose to be free, and sell it to us. It gets to the point where organized religions are viewed like competing brands of the same product; that one is better than the other...instead of religions being unique to one another. And if they are desperate, they will compromise the message or dilute the truth about their religions so to gain more "paying" followers.

Exactly what I'm saying. It's a powerful tool that has been corrupted. There's plenty examples of this all throughout history. Shot out to that young smart Muslim girl who took a bullet just so she could get an education. She's a fucking G!!! She still talking shit to this very day lol. That little girl will probably grow up and find a cure for all diseases on the planet or some shit.

Organized religion is just like the police force. The arguments on the religious side are sounding just like the cops when they, or their fellow officers fuck up.