Hakeem "Abul" Olajuwon is the 2nd Greatest Player in NBA History.......

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Justin Sane;4081097 said:
Easily top 3 most skilled of all time. For his size(he was around 6'10, not 7ft as listed) he was very mobile, quick like a 2 guard.

But a alot of players including centers,had better careers

havin a better career depends on alotta factors. Who knows how many rings houston woulda won if sampson hadnt become injury prone. But Houston front office is to blame. If Hakeem woulda been on that 80s piston team or had T. Hardaway,Payton or KJ we woulda been talkn a different story.
woah316;4081041 said:
As far as just overall skills / intangibles, I might put Kobe slightly above Hakeem as far as a 2way player...

Kobe's will / determination / killer instinct is 2nd to only Jordan. He has 5 titles and 7 finals appearences.. Won multiple titles with 2 completely different teams...

Yea, I'm sorry Kobe above Hakeem.

Kid, please stop wit dat kobe talk. How many times has Kobe in his prime been torchd by Arenas,McGrady and Iverson? Kobe has played in way better teams than Hakeem. Do you realise Hakeem's game wuz flawless. A whole damn Center who is no. 9 in steals, leader in blocks, never seen footwork, countless moves in the post, then remember Hakeem wuz CLUTCH. His post season numbers are better than regular season. Do you realise that Hakeem never played wit no top 10 player in da league @ da time he won those rings but Kobe has had 2 top 10 players in the league. Kobe playoff FG% be 41.5 and u dare compare him to hakeem? No player ever dominated Hakeem. From Kareem,Shaq,Ewing,Drob,Mourning,Mutombo,Rodman,Ewing.
mdizzle9000;4081209 said:
hakeem the closest to winnin a championship by himself

preach to thz kids bruh. They dont know Hakeem allah carried washd up all stars and BUMS to 2 chips.
 
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smittysmith;4081265 said:
If you putting Jordan and Kareem is 1a and b then yeah.....maybe.

MJ is da GOAT but how exactly can Kareem be better than Hakeem? Hakeem gave Kareem a hard time when they playd against each other in the WCF. Plus Kareem has had Big O, Magic, Worthy as his teammates while Hakeem had to work wit Bums and washd up all stars
 
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IntellectualViolence;4081175 said:
He was not as skilled or versatile as Hakeem...

but he was truly dominant for an entire era... he defined what a defensive center is... rings, impact on the game >>>

But he dominated in a weaker era, where his only competition was Wilt Chamberlain.

Hakeem have the stats in a stronger era, both offense & especially defense. Even Shaq will probably vouch that Hakeem was the hardest player to guard. No center in the 90s was touching Olajuwon in his prime
 
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Nigga drexler averaged 21,7,4.5 with Houston in 95 and 20,7,5 in the playoffs....how is that washed up?

Like I said, he had help
 
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T. Sanford;4081326 said:
But he dominated in a weaker era, where his only competition was Wilt Chamberlain.

Hakeem have the stats in a stronger era, both offense & especially defense. Even Shaq will probably vouch that Hakeem was the hardest player to guard. No center in the 90s was touching Olajuwon in his prime

Good Post. The thing is that i never saw @ anytime Hakeem in his prime get dominated/outplayed/outclassed/humiliated by any player.
 
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Justin Sane;4081338 said:
Nigga drexler averaged 21,7,4.5 with Houston in 95 and 20,7,5 in the playoffs....how is that washed up?

Like I said, he had help

but did he play in great teams like Kobe,shaq,MJ,Kareem,Magic,bird,wilt,bill? I knew clyde's numbers but he wuznt the same player we'd seen in Portland
 
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the fact is that hakeem during those couple seasons was the best player in the nba. jordan came back for a full season in '96 and shut it down. again.

that houston team had more than hakeem tho. and its very ignorant to say otherwise. were any of them HOF talent?...maybe not...but collectively they were a very good team. hakeem wasnt out there playing 1 on 5.

nice try tho
 
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Mumo 13X;4081368 said:
but did he play in great teams like Kobe,shaq,MJ,Kareem,Magic,bird,wilt,bill? I knew clyde's numbers but he wuznt the same player we'd seen in Portland

Clyde was the same, he just took a backseat to dream because obviously it was dream's team

And I don't do hypotheticals nigga, a lot of teams have been loaded squads and STILL didn't win

And hakeem is still in I'm my top 3 all-time
 
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naw that nigga Robert Horry was putting in work too but still no center in history is touching nh Olajuwon in his prime
 
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T. Sanford;4081415 said:
naw that nigga Robert Horry was putting in work too but still no center in history is touching nh Olajuwon in his prime

WHAT?!

Wilt, Kareem?

Second greatest all time?? Bro...
 
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fightforolddc;4081427 said:
WHAT?!

Wilt, Kareem?

Second greatest all time?? Bro...

Yes he's better than both of them. & niggas gon overrate Wilt because he was the tallest nigga in the league with his best competition being Bill Russell
 
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Mumo 13X;4081319 said:
MJ is da GOAT but how exactly can Kareem be better than Hakeem? Hakeem gave Kareem a hard time when they playd against each other in the WCF. Plus Kareem has had Big O, Magic, Worthy as his teammates while Hakeem had to work wit Bums and washd up all stars

You making it seem like the one on one matchup is the end all be all but its not. Kareem was consistently more dominant than Hakeem. Averaged more points, rebounds, and assists and shot a far higher % from the floor while taking more shots. The only claim Hakeem has is the playoffs, where he raised his play considerably more than Kareem. We however can't ignore the title Kareem won in Milwaukee which was a great achievement, not to mention when Hakeem got the better of Kareem he was past his prime. Hakeem might have been slightly better than Kareem defensively but let's not also forget the fact steals and blocks weren't recorded for Kareems 1st few seasons.

Skills and post moves are great but the name of the game is putting the ball in the hoop, Kareem was flat out better in that aspect.
 
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IntellectualViolence;4081444 said:
this is a valid argument, I'll give it to u...
I still put Magic, Jordan, and Bird ahead of Hakeem though...

I respect this post, I can see Bird & Magic being ahead of Hakeem tho, especially Jordan
 
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Mike Jordan- Mike is the most complete basketball player ever, he match Hakeem, even in post skills

Kobe Bryant- Kobe Bryant is skilled as hell, he shoots, he defends, he passes, he scores, he dominates. He has the post game the

footwork, and even had a season where he made certain to block shots with his left hand! (who doe that)

Larry Bird-Did everything great (besides be athletic), and he dominated Hakeem and Ralph Sampson's squads in the finals. One of the grittiest, toughest players.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar-He was the best big man there ever was bruh, HE blocked shots, he could score with ease, he had touch (better touch than Hakeem) Family was 7'4 dog...c'mon! He didn't have the herky jerkyness of Olajuwan but he was everything else.
 
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Louis Cipher;4081397 said:
bruh...that was a great team...you cant look at it and judge by the number of HOF players on a team...that was a good team in every sense of the word...

i really dont get what u sayin bruh! Hakeem in his 2nd season abused the Laker team wit 3 HOFers and went on to face a Celtic team wit 5 HOFers who averaged 15ppg and wuz all in they prime -- were it not for sampson Then Hakeem woulda upset the Celtics. Fact is Hakeem never playd in great teams like other GOAT Candidates. Why deny that?
Justin Sane;4081393 said:
Clyde was the same, he just took a backseat to dream because obviously it was dream's team

And I don't do hypotheticals nigga, a lot of teams have been loaded squads and STILL didn't win

And hakeem is still in I'm my top 3 all-time

the dream's play in 2nd chip wuz impressive. He really tore up the league. From da 6th seed in a stackd West to makin the Finals and totally abusing admiral and rodman. Those are 2 of the top 10 greatest defensive players.
 
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Part of being a great player is willing your team to titles, I dont give a fuck how you gotta do it... Pouting for trades, choking the GM out, or whatever you got to do, thats part of being a great player...

Kobe won as many titles (2) without shaq as Hakeem has all together. And he has a extra finals appearence to trump hakeem... thats EVEN WITHOUT THE OTHER 4 YEARS HE GOT TO THE FINALS and won 3 rings with shaq.

If you gonna act like rings dont mean shit, and just going off of Raw Talent, then Lebron is easily better than hakeem. So let me know which argument you want to go with.

In 1 argument (talent) Lebron > Hakeem (probably kobe too). In another argument (rings), Kobe > Hakeem.

Cant have it both ways chump.
 
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IntellectualViolence;4081175 said:
He was not as skilled or versatile as Hakeem...

but he was truly dominant for an entire era... he defined what a defensive center is... rings, impact on the game >>>

Didn't russell play with like 6 different hall of famers
 
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I can see calling Hakeem better than Russell but not Wilt. Plus you can't even argue him being better than Magic or Bird, come on.
 
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