GnS Real Life 2016: Would you live a life without porn?

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mryounggun;8790760 said:
jniam;8790697 said:
I get what you mean, but porn has never ruined a relationship. Immaturity and people's inability to deal in reality ruins a lot of relationships. I don't understand how porn is any different then shit like The Notebook or similar movies, etc.

I don't agree with this part. Porn is an exogenous variable added to an equation which is a relationship. If we increase the amount of porn consumed by one partner and hold everything else constant (i.e. shared income, shared values and other nuances of a relationship), then if the relationship is faltering then we can assume there is some correlation with the increase in porn consumption.

My biggest problem is I started very very young. 13 at that, and when I was young the amount of smut that was readily available for a teenager was way too much. I really don't think young men should be exposed to as much smut as we are today.

Your argument is flawed because you are confusing correlation with causation, among other reasons.

You missed my statement so I italicized it. I never said causation. I said correlation. My argument is a simplified model to show how a relationship can react to new external stimuli. Is it oversimplified? Yes, but it's to illustrate a point.

Again, look at my original post. You'll see I said correlation, causation.
 
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jniam;8790790 said:
mryounggun;8790760 said:
jniam;8790697 said:
I get what you mean, but porn has never ruined a relationship. Immaturity and people's inability to deal in reality ruins a lot of relationships. I don't understand how porn is any different then shit like The Notebook or similar movies, etc.

I don't agree with this part. Porn is an exogenous variable added to an equation which is a relationship. If we increase the amount of porn consumed by one partner and hold everything else constant (i.e. shared income, shared values and other nuances of a relationship), then if the relationship is faltering then we can assume there is some correlation with the increase in porn consumption.

My biggest problem is I started very very young. 13 at that, and when I was young the amount of smut that was readily available for a teenager was way too much. I really don't think young men should be exposed to as much smut as we are today.

Your argument is flawed because you are confusing correlation with causation, among other reasons.

You missed my statement so I italicized it. I never said causation. I said correlation. My argument is a simplified model to show how a relationship can react to new external stimuli. Is it oversimplified? Yes, but it's to illustrate a point.

Again, look at my original post. You'll see I said correlation, causation.

I never said you actually said causation. I never claimed there was no correlation between porn and ruined relationships. There is a correlation between literally EVERYTHING and ruined relationships. Including The Notebook.
 
Because porn is made to appear realistic, especially some of this "homegrown" type porn.

In what way is pornography produced by regular everyday non-professionals and uploaded online necessarily different than sex that occurs in real life (how is it not real life sex?). What happens in homegrown porn that doesn't happen when they're not knowingly filming?

Why is it necessarily bad if pornography is not realistic? If anyone mistakenly thinks that pornography is an accurate depiction of sex that does (or can?) happen in real life, won't they find out otherwise eventually? If the problem is that it sets up expectations that real life sex doesn't meet and the disappointment caused by that, cant the same be said about fantasy in general? Not to mention movies, tv shows, and stories etc. (I could see certain romance movies being more indirectly harmful than porn for that reason, in my opinion).

Insecurity can come in when you notice your man consistently looking at women that don't look like you.

I can understand this being an issue but I don't think it's fundamental to porn itself.

Infidelity can come in when your man got you watching porn of men doing things to women that he doesn't, won't or CAN'T do..hmmmm..it can get your mind wandering.

I don't think pornography is the issue. The problem is you're not sexually compatible with your partner. Pornography only made you aware of what you'd be interested in if you were exposed to it. I can't necessarily discredit it for this reason but your argument seems to be at least partly that porn is harmful because it shows you how much better your sex life could be but how could that be a conscious justification for not looking at it, you'd be avoiding it because you already believed that your sex life was inadequate in some way, although maybe still overall satisfying.

Mental conditioning comes in when you watch so much of the fantasy that you begin to believe what you're watching is what should really be happening in the bedroom to be considered "good sex".

Pornography only appeals to what people already find erotic or would if they were exposed to it. Some of the same arguments against porn could be used against fantasy in general even without any external visual aid.

It's just a slippery slope..I feel like if people put as much time building and investing in the reality of their sex life instead of being quick to escape to the fantasy world, the relationship would be healthier and more fulfilling.

I think I might semi agree here, I don't understand why anyone would rather masturbate to porn instead of having real life sex with an actual man or woman.

I think pornography is harmful because of the drug like and sexually desensitizing effect that it has on the brain but that's not anything fundamental to the concept of pornography and I don't see anything wrong with the non- sadistic casual, uninhibited sex that's depicted in pornography, as long as all parties involved express pleasure (and if that pleasure is faked, that's part of acting in general and contributes to the fantasy), which isn't to say I necessarily have a problem with playfully antagonistic role playing .

As I typed that last post I was considering how to mention the escapism porn allows for.

Porn has definitely ruined alot of relationships indirectly because partners couldn't live up to that fantasy porn sets.

They might not live up to the fantasies of their partners even when those fantasies are uninspired by porn. It's possible you have given legitimate indirect reasons why people would be more sexually fulfilled, in the long run, if they rejected porn (besides my own point) but arguing against it because it's fantasy and escapism doesn't work for me because I don't consider fantasy to be bad. Nor do I consider fantasy to be 'unreal', what we imagine feels less concrete but the only thing that would make me place less importance on a dream or hallucination is that none of my experienced interactions were shared and nothing I did in some virtual simulated reality could affect anyone else (if I believed my experiences were shared and everyone else was also experiencing some kind of simulated reality where they didn't need me to do anything that could benefit them then it wouldn't matter).There will probably always be some dissonance between fantasy and reality whether porn exists or not.

There are some points I could add or clarify, and some of my arguments might be lacking, or some other posts somewhere I could quote but I don't want to go on.
 
D0wn;8787852 said:
I'm in a phase between, i don't watch porn, and working on it... meaning, I don't watch it regularly, yet when i do , it takes over my day...

Also the after affects of watching porn and masturbating , for me is devastating. It's like i hit a brick steel wall, and fell down a pit.

Am I the only dude who experience this?

watching porn and masturbating really have me feeling flabby and discombobulated when i'm done, so i stay away for as much as i can.

Shit WTF type of porn are you watching?
 

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