Genesis vs the big bang theory

[Hyde Parke]

whatever, look up spacetime continuum then get at me

Look it up yourself. You were the one who originally stated time comes from the sun spinning around, which was false, as I already showed you. Now why would I want to discuss spacetime continuum with you wnen you dont even have a basic, generic understanding of time in the 1st place?

This thread needs to be closed, you have yet to prove any point.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

whatever, look up spacetime continuum then get at me

"Blaspehmy the bible says nothing abot no space continuem".... so the bible is the word of god? ...... "no its not but that doesnt exists, you dont know what your talking about"

 

[whar67]

Look it up yourself. You were the one who originally stated time comes from the sun spinning around, which was false, as I already showed you. Now why would I want to discuss spacetime continuum with you wnen you dont even have a basic, generic understanding of time in the 1st place?

This thread needs to be closed, you have yet to prove any point.

Hyde I think you are reading his word too literally. His comment seems more towards the recording of time. Perhaps his phrasing is awkward but his intent seems clear.

I generally agree with his first post.

Genesis is absurd on its face since a 'day' in a unique definition of time restricted to a rotating body. In our case a day is ~24 hours. Genesis states God made the heaven and the earth on the first 'day'. The sun does not get made tuill the 4th yet we have these units of time called days?

 

[Hyde Parke]

Hyde I think you are reading his word too literally. His comment seems more towards the recording of time. Perhaps his phrasing is awkward but his intent seems clear.

I generally agree with his first post.

Genesis is absurd on its face since a 'day' in a unique definition of time restricted to a rotating body. In our case a day is ~24 hours. Genesis states God made the heaven and the earth on the first 'day'. The sun does not get made tuill the 4th yet we have these units of time called days?

what does the sun being made on the 4th day have to do with anything, when right in the beginning, god said let their be light? The light he called day, the darkness, he called night, and the evening and morning were the 1st day. There as it evidently shows was a passage of "time" before the 1st day came about(evening and morning), and it has nothing to do with the sun.

The sun was created as our (people, animals), primary energys source for life, and those werent made until after the sun. And even if one were to argue vegetation being made b4 the sun, it still plausible, we are only talking of one day.

In the very beginning, the sun did not dictate what makes for a day/night. Light did.

 

[Hyde Parke]

i mean im far from a bible thumper, but i fail to see how this is even an argument. Its just plain silly.

 

[whar67]

what does the sun being made on the 4th day have to do with anything, when right in the beginning, god said let their be light? The light he called day, the darkness, he called night, and the evening and morning were the 1st day. There as it evidently shows was a passage of "time" before the 1st day came about(evening and morning), and it has nothing to do with the sun.

The sun was created as our (people, animals), primary energys source for life, and those werent made until after the sun. And even if one were to argue vegetation being made b4 the sun, it still plausible, we are only talking of one day.

In the very beginning, the sun did not dictate what makes for a day/night. Light did.

Yes. Light without light creating source ... magic. As I said absurd on the face of it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i mean im far from a bible thumper, but i fail to see how this is even an argument. Its just plain silly.

The sun creates the light we have, without the sun it would be impossible to have day and night already because a our day is measured by Earths rotation of light and dark. If the sun wasnt created until day 4, the other 3 not only wouldnt be real days but there would be no light on Earth until that 4th day. Plants wouldnt have been made on the 3rd day either seeing as they would have needed the light. And dont take the bible literally as some say, there are a very large group of people who think a day in the bible ment thousands of year. If that was the case this is even more wrong.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Yes. Light without light creating source ... magic. As I said absurd on the face of it.

that would be the heavens and the earth, which were created in the very beginning. cmon, just stop already. this is no argument and you all know this, thats why when one point is proven you(not you directly), jump from one thing to the next.

 

[Hyde Parke]

The sun creates the light we have, without the sun it would be impossible to have day and night already because a our day is measured by Earths rotation of light and dark. If the sun wasnt created until day 4, the other 3 not only wouldnt be real days but there would be no light on Earth until that 4th day. Plants wouldnt have been made on the 3rd day either seeing as they would have needed the light. And dont take the bible literally as some say, there are a very large group of people who think a day in the bible ment thousands of year. If that was the case this is even more wrong.

THE sun is not the only source of light, so that just cancels out the rest of your statement.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

THE sun is not the only source of light, so that just cancels out the rest of your statement.

What are the other sources of light may i ask?

 

[Hyde Parke]

What are the other sources of light may i ask?

FIRE, STARS, ACCRETION DISKS,even lightening. just to name a few, but there are several..

 

[ThaChozenWun]

FIRE, STARS, ACCRETION DISKS,even lightening. just to name a few, but there are several..

So God used the little bit of light stars give off to build the Earth in the beginning? Why would he light the Earth on fire to see? He couldnt of had space fire because fire needs oxygen?, Accretion disks are basically stars. Without the sun there would be no lighting. Lightning needs either humidity or static to charge. No humidity with no sun, and for static to be formed it would have to have something like a volcanic explosion, in this case god would need to make volcanoes happen all around the place to create enough lightning to light the earth and would have had to work through all of the volcanic ash and lava, which by the way would have ruined plants so that basically is thrown out the window as well.

 

[Hyde Parke]

So God used the little bit of light stars give off to build the Earth in the beginning? Why would he light the Earth on fire to see? He couldnt of had space fire because fire needs oxygen?, Accretion disks are basically stars. Without the sun there would be no lighting. Lightning needs either humidity or static to charge. No humidity with no sun, and for static to be formed it would have to have something like a volcanic explosion, in this case god would need to make volcanoes happen all around the place to create enough lightning to light the earth and would have had to work through all of the volcanic ash, which by the way would have ruined plants so that basically is thrown out the window as well.

i didnt say that, you asked for sources of light, and i gave you some, not all, like i said b4 there are several sources LOOK IT UP. Not just fire. And you do realize the sun is not the only star that exists? There are several of those too(the heavens) which again, were created in the very beginning. and they all have their own natural source of light. And even in darkness, light still exists as it cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. So there is no such thing as no light.

So again, you all have failed to make any point whatsoever.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i didnt say that, you asked for sources of light, and i gave you some, not all, like i said b4 there are several sources LOOK IT UP. Not just fire. And you do realize the sun is not the only star that exists? There are several of those too(the heavens) which again, were created in the very beginning. and they all have their own natural source of light. And even in darkness, light still exists as it cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. So there is no such thing as no light.

So again, you all have failed to make any point whatsoever.

That light that does exists isnt enough to substain life or start something like Earth, where did I say the sun was the only star that existed? I asked what light sources because you seem to think the sun wasnt needed for the world to be created before the 4th day and it clearly was. You gave me light sources i told you how each wouldnt be enough light and you go off on well theres more and dark doesnt really exists?????? And????????????????????? That still doesnt describe how the first 3 days took place with no light source powerful enough to do it.

 

[Hyde Parke]

That light that does exists isnt enough to substain life or start something like Earth, where did I say the sun was the only star that existed? I asked what light sources because you seem to think the sun wasnt needed for the world to be created before the 4th day and it clearly was. You gave me light sources i told you how each wouldnt be enough light and you go off on well theres more and dark doesnt really exists?????? And????????????????????? That still doesnt describe how the first 3 days took place with no light source powerful enough to do it.

This is getting real foolish here.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void- at this point, the sun is not needed, as the earth was without form and void, so no life needed to be substained at this point.

Lets just take this step by step.

 

[whar67]

Hyde the light creating objects, stars and such, were created on the 4th day.

1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The only point I have made regarding the original post is Genesis is ridiculous as it is written.

 

[TX_Made713]

Hyde I think you are reading his word too literally. His comment seems more towards the recording of time. Perhaps his phrasing is awkward but his intent seems clear.

I generally agree with his first post.

Genesis is absurd on its face since a 'day' in a unique definition of time restricted to a rotating body. In our case a day is ~24 hours. Genesis states God made the heaven and the earth on the first 'day'. The sun does not get made tuill the 4th yet we have these units of time called days?

lmao the dude hes trying hard to defend turned on him in my favor...classic

and he is right...maybe im not wording it like a physics professor would but i still know what the fuck im talkin about

 

[Hyde Parke]

Hyde the light creating objects, stars and such, were created on the 4th day.

1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The only point I have made regarding the original post is Genesis is ridiculous as it is written.

There are many types of light, not just visible light. Short-wave light includes ultraviolet light, X-rays, and others. Long-wave light includes infrared light, radio waves, etc. Light is produced by friction, by fire, by numerous chemical reactions, as well as the nuclear reactions of atomic fission and fusion, which is what we think is occurring in the sun. Light does not automatically require the sun.

 

[TX_Made713]

There are many types of light, not just visible light. Short-wave light includes ultraviolet light, X-rays, and others. Long-wave light includes infrared light, radio waves, etc. Light is produced by friction, by fire, by numerous chemical reactions, as well as the nuclear reactions of atomic fission and fusion, which is what we think is occurring in the sun. Light does not automatically require the sun.

[video=youtube;wmZqK9SJA_o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmZqK9SJA_o[/video]

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[Hyde Parke]

lmao the dude hes trying hard to defend turned on him in my favor...classic

and he is right...maybe im not wording it like a physics professor would but i still know what the fuck im talkin about

Dont be childish now.