G&S Debate Rd2. *yellowtapesport win!*- Feminisim: is it bad for the family structure?

[yellowtapesport]

Before I begin, I would like to establish the criteria for family structure, just to be clear. Hopefully my opponent @HerbalVaporCapers will agree. Throughout this debate we will both maintain that the family structure we speak about is that consisting of husband, wife, and child(ren)..Not baby momma, side bitch, girlfriend sister's cousin you be fuckin sometimes and looking out for their kids...we talking good ol' fashion kids and a white picket fence family structure...

Now with that said, we must also establish a clear, consistent definition of feminism. A simple Google search lead me to this:

fem·i·nism

ˈfeməˌnizəm

noun

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

Looking back on the American family structure, this historically consisted of a wife who didn't work, but stayed home to care for children while the man slaved in most cases to a minimal paying job to provide for his family. More often than not, the unhappy, over-worked and over-whelmed husband would, to avoid depression, drink excessively, abuse controlled substances, cheat, physically and emotionally abuse his wife and be an absentee figure in majority of his child's life, even if at best due to long work hours.

The husband would work day in and day out only to never find a break from bills, his wife always bitching about something, and his kids misbehaving because he hasn't found the time to develop a bond with them.

The results of the above situation created a generation of kids that grew up forced to take sides between MOM and DAD who had their dreams of marriage and happy life crushed by divorce. And this took place before the concept of feminism even existed.

I'm gonna try and keep my responses short to promote niggas reading the shit..lol

And for the record..the nigga @2stepz_ahead topics be vague asF (U make it too easy to play both sides)

Clarity my nigga...we need clarity

 

[2stepz_ahead]

understood.... but there is a reason.

this is like prelims to a bigger debate platform I am working on.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

We can say "traditional" family in this instance (Husband, wife and kids).

I apologize to the ladies ahead of time for the fuckery I'm about to promote.

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

 

[CapitalB]

We can say "traditional" family in this instance (Husband, wife and kids).

I apologize to the ladies ahead of time for the fuckery I'm about to promote.

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

nah fuck that..

TALK YO SHIT!!

rumble young man rumble!!! lol

 

[dallas' 4 eva]

We can say "traditional" family in this instance (Husband, wife and kids).

I apologize to the ladies ahead of time for the fuckery I'm about to promote.

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Man what I tell you niggas about apologizing to these broads all the time, stop that shit it makes you look weak.

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

We can say "traditional" family in this instance (Husband, wife and kids).

I apologize to the ladies ahead of time for the fuckery I'm about to promote.

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Man what I tell you niggas about apologizing to these broads all the time, stop that shit it makes you look weak.

Look weak to who? Other dudes? Fuck I care about that

I know I'm about to say some dead ass wrong shit that I don't believe in. So before I instruct the 5 to 10 ladies on this site to march back into the kitchen barefoot... A cat just needed to clarify

 

[CapitalB]

We can say "traditional" family in this instance (Husband, wife and kids).

I apologize to the ladies ahead of time for the fuckery I'm about to promote.

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Man what I tell you niggas about apologizing to these broads all the time, stop that shit it makes you look weak.

Look weak to who? Other dudes? Fuck I care about that

I know I'm about to say some dead ass wrong shit that I don't believe in. So before I instruct the 5 to 10 ladies on this site to march back into the kitchen barefoot... A cat just needed to clarify

i like where this is headed!!

 

[yellowtapesport]

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Damn that was my opening lol but thanks for the opportunity to elaborate...

I dont think the homie @2stepz_ahead can charge a nigga since he opened the door..so Im gon walk thru..

As I was saying..

Looking back on the American family structure, this historically consisted of a wife who didn't work, but stayed home to care for children while the man slaved in most cases to a minimal paying job to provide for his family. More often than not, the unhappy, over-worked and over-whelmed husband would, to avoid depression, drink excessively, abuse controlled substances, cheat, physically and emotionally abuse his wife and be an absentee figure in majority of his child's life, even if at best due to long work hours.

The husband would work day in and day out only to never find a break from bills, his wife always bitching about something, and his kids misbehaving because he hasn't found the time to develop a bond with them.

The results of the above situation created a generation of kids that grew up forced to take sides between MOM and DAD who had their dreams of marriage and happy life crushed by divorce. And this took place before the concept of feminism even existed.

So feminism didn't kill the American family structure...it was dead long before these hoes decided to claim equality..

Thanks

 

[CapitalB]

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Damn that was my opening lol but thanks for the opportunity to elaborate...

I dont think the homie @2stepz_ahead can charge a nigga since he opened the door..so Im gon walk thru..

As I was saying..

Looking back on the American family structure, this historically consisted of a wife who didn't work, but stayed home to care for children while the man slaved in most cases to a minimal paying job to provide for his family. More often than not, the unhappy, over-worked and over-whelmed husband would, to avoid depression, drink excessively, abuse controlled substances, cheat, physically and emotionally abuse his wife and be an absentee figure in majority of his child's life, even if at best due to long work hours.

The husband would work day in and day out only to never find a break from bills, his wife always bitching about something, and his kids misbehaving because he hasn't found the time to develop a bond with them.

The results of the above situation created a generation of kids that grew up forced to take sides between MOM and DAD who had their dreams of marriage and happy life crushed by divorce. And this took place before the concept of feminism even existed.

So feminism didn't kill the American family structure...it was dead long before these hoes decided to claim equality..

Thanks

 

[CapitalB]

i like... i like..

bitches bout to be getting shit on left and right! hahaha

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Damn that was my opening lol but thanks for the opportunity to elaborate...

I dont think the homie @2stepz_ahead can charge a nigga since he opened the door..so Im gon walk thru..

As I was saying..

Looking back on the American family structure, this historically consisted of a wife who didn't work, but stayed home to care for children while the man slaved in most cases to a minimal paying job to provide for his family. More often than not, the unhappy, over-worked and over-whelmed husband would, to avoid depression, drink excessively, abuse controlled substances, cheat, physically and emotionally abuse his wife and be an absentee figure in majority of his child's life, even if at best due to long work hours.

The husband would work day in and day out only to never find a break from bills, his wife always bitching about something, and his kids misbehaving because he hasn't found the time to develop a bond with them.

The results of the above situation created a generation of kids that grew up forced to take sides between MOM and DAD who had their dreams of marriage and happy life crushed by divorce. And this took place before the concept of feminism even existed.

So feminism didn't kill the American family structure...it was dead long before these hoes decided to claim equality..

Thanks

One has to take the above into context.

Some of those issues were very real back then.

Men working long days, physically laboring with their hands, risking great injury or in some cases death to provide for their families. Not for themselves, or for the betterment of the male species, but for their families.

Were many happy to do so? Absolutely. With the proper motivation in place, humans, and MEN in particular, can be guided towards great sacrifices and great achievements. The pyramids... the space program... defeating the British army so one can stake a CLAIM to their own destiny. And for what? The benefit and betterment of their wife and children, what we call the family structure.

Enter feminism; or in layman's terms, the ideology of what's in it for me?

Not whats in it for US or whats in it for THE CHILDREN

WHATS IN IT FOR ME, AS A WOMAN.

From this inherently selfish, one track mentality of me, what rivers of muck and mess have flown forth?

Lets take the timeline back to the 50s.

Man, wife and children, living together in sometimes not so perfect harmony under one roof. MAKING IT WORK, through all the terrible afflictions you named above, such as alcoholism and periodic (but surely never intentional domestic violence. What did this time period have to show for itself?

Children who felt connected to their surroundings and through their homelife were properly socialized.

Homecooked meals, which kept these children fit and healthy.

Clothes seemed to last longer when properly tended to.

And gosh damn darn it, people had some DECENCY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SIMPLY ASK, WHATS IN IT FOR ME????

Enter feminism, which is just an IDEOLOGY!

An ideology! A set of ideas, based on what some women think should be life for all women!

And what has been the result of whats in it for me?

Rampant obesity because a person is expected to both work aaaand cook for themselves, amongst man, woman and children.

Men who have to work, pay their children's way through life, only to see them once or twice a year. A YEAR! WHY?

Socially awkwardness at similar levels due to moving from house to house, neighborhood to neighborhood, never seeing ones father and watching ones mother cling on to the next man (or woman!) who ends up "not being shit" when said mother grows tired of them

Boys wearing dresses, so quick to call their homies bae and hubby because they have no men in their lives to show them the correct way!

School shootings because fat, fatherless bastards want to achieve some kind of lasting greatness but dont have figures in their lives who can teach them to build or toss a ball around with them because they live 500 miles away?

All for what? So a woman can tear herself away from her family and "find herself" or "do her own thing"??

And for what? What great result has feminism ushered in? Are women paid an equal rate as men at most jobs? Has sexual harassment and assault declined? Has there even been a woman president yet?

NO!

You say the family was already broken before this scourge afflicted us as a people, but I say at least there was a structure, a place to build from before this idea took hold.

Not only has feminism been terrible for the family structure, its put this country on a terrible course for the future!

 

[yellowtapesport]

Since we both agree the family structure is broken, let me, as a parent, even better as a father express to you the benefits of this feminist ideology as you put it..

Yes the wife took care of the house, cooked, cleaned and kept a mans shirts neatly pressed..but at the end of the day, marriage is an uphill battle and statistics show that divorce is increasingly becoming the result of most marriages..So, when it all comes crashing down..what are you stuck with??

ALIMONY!!

CHILD SUPPORT!!

BITCH LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE WITH YOUR KIDS!!

YOU BACK IN MOMS BASEMENT FIGHTING FOR VISITATION RIGHTS (LOL)

Enter feminism, and let these women cook. Bitch, find you a job making what I make. Great! Because now, when shit goes sour, and its kids in the picture..I got TWO words for you:

JOINT CUSTODY!!

As a real nigga, it's hard to find faith in feminism..but as a father..

I'm thankful that a woman can provide for the family just like I can..so now we split time and split the bill..

 

[CapitalB]

all im gathering from this, is these bitches aint shit!!

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Go ahead when you're ready @yellowtapesport

Damn that was my opening lol but thanks for the opportunity to elaborate...

I dont think the homie @2stepz_ahead can charge a nigga since he opened the door..so Im gon walk thru..

As I was saying..

Looking back on the American family structure, this historically consisted of a wife who didn't work, but stayed home to care for children while the man slaved in most cases to a minimal paying job to provide for his family. More often than not, the unhappy, over-worked and over-whelmed husband would, to avoid depression, drink excessively, abuse controlled substances, cheat, physically and emotionally abuse his wife and be an absentee figure in majority of his child's life, even if at best due to long work hours.

The husband would work day in and day out only to never find a break from bills, his wife always bitching about something, and his kids misbehaving because he hasn't found the time to develop a bond with them.

The results of the above situation created a generation of kids that grew up forced to take sides between MOM and DAD who had their dreams of marriage and happy life crushed by divorce. And this took place before the concept of feminism even existed.

So feminism didn't kill the American family structure...it was dead long before these hoes decided to claim equality..

Thanks

will be considered a duplicate since you were asked and didnt volunteer and you just repeated what you said

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

Since we both agree the family structure is broken, let me, as a parent, even better as a father express to you the benefits of this feminist ideology as you put it..

Yes the wife took care of the house, cooked, cleaned and kept a mans shirts neatly pressed..but at the end of the day, marriage is an uphill battle and statistics show that divorce is increasingly becoming the result of most marriages..So, when it all comes crashing down..what are you stuck with??

ALIMONY!!

CHILD SUPPORT!!

BITCH LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE WITH YOUR KIDS!!

YOU BACK IN MOMS BASEMENT FIGHTING FOR VISITATION RIGHTS (LOL)

Enter feminism, and let these women cook. Bitch, find you a job making what I make. Great! Because now, when shit goes sour, and its kids in the picture..I got TWO words for you:

JOINT CUSTODY!!

As a real nigga, it's hard to find faith in feminism..but as a father..

I'm thankful that a woman can provide for the family just like I can..so now we split time and split the bill..

Wait a minute...

What was that word I saw?

Was it split?

Was it joint?

My nupitially challenged young brother, I may not be of genius level intelligence but I believe those words mean:

NOT TOGETHER!

Those things you listed above, such as alimony, child support, joint custody have all become common place since the inception of feminazism.

Do those things spell out a solid family structure to you???? Has feminism strengthened the American family structure in any arguable way?Or have they enabled selfish minded women to cut and run on their biological birthright of child rearing???

Why, I'd almost say you're supporting my argument and not detracting from it!

This debate after all is not about the merits, or validity of feminism, but it's effect (call it what it is, destruction!) on the American family structure!

Are divorce rates higher after feminism has become endemic in society?

Are more children born out of wedlock?

Is fatherless bootypoppin on the gram at an all time high?

YES!

 

[yellowtapesport]

Let's rewind a bit so you can take in my whole argument...nh

We agreed that family structure consists of man, wife, and chil(ren), we also stated that for different reasons this family structure is broken. Follow me on this one..

With a broken family structure before the feminist movement a newly divorced wife would be collecting alimony, child support, asset dividends and a host of other bullshit through the court system..the man was legally 'responsible' to take care of this lazy bitch for life who may ultimately fuck his brother.

Now that feminism has promoted equality for women, women are getting better jobs and securing better futures for themselves (as selfish as this may be lol) but at the end of the day, or better yet the end of the marriage these hoes are now more equipped to support themselves as well as their children and not depend on the wages of a man they no longer are with.

JOINT CUSTODY provides the best alternative to a family structure after a marriage is terminated. So instead of fatherless homes, misappropriated child support funds, lies planted in childrens heads at young ages, refusals to allow visitation, open petty arguments and an uneven share of responsibilities what you now have is an evolution of the family structure where the child(ren) spends just as much time with MOM as he/she does with DAD.

All thanks to feminism...

Better wages for women means the less a man on the short end of the marriage stick will have to do to support a woman he is unfortunately no longer with..

The birth of feminism caused an evolution of the family structure after divorce increasingly became the norm. This evolution is the change from a single parent, deadbeat dad mentality to the more child centered concept of co-parenting.

With this new family structure, the child(ren) can be raised by parents who contribute equally to a greater good..the child's future. The responsibilities are divided equally and decisions are not as one sided so the child benefits from being parented by both parents..

All thanks to feminism...

The evolution of this new family structure, as with any evolution, is a slow, gradual process. It begins with MEN choosing better, more valuable partners.

Nobody in 2016 wants a broke bitch..

I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T do u know what that mean?? **Webbie voice**

Without feminism, who the fck would Webbie be talking to??!!

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

The birth of feminism caused an evolution of the family structure after divorce increasingly became the norm.

Your own words.

Evolution...

Deviation...

Mutation...

In other terms, a deconstruction of the family structure...

But did this deconstruction precede or follow the introduction of feminism?

I say the latter!

You say that feminism has made life easier for men after a divorce, but what brought about an increase in divorce and acceleration of the shattering of the family structure?

Feminism!

I ask:

How common was divorce prior to the late 1960s when women began setting their titty holsters on fire in public?

How common as absentee fatherism when a man could count on finding his woman where he left her?

Feminism enabled those who wanted to go for self and provided them with the tools (such as work, outside child care and more than anything a permissive social attitude in regards to destroying one's family) to do so.

And you're arguing that this, new family structure is of a higher grade and capable of rearing children in a better manner than having a man, a woman and their children under the same house and under GOD?

With your own words in mind regarding the birth of feminism and the deconstruction (evolution? guffaw!) of the AMERICAN family, how can you, young brother, argue otherwise?

How can anyone on the IC argue otherwise with this man's own words in mind?

 

[yellowtapesport]

Again, my brother you have confused my words most likely due to a limited vocabulary but no worries..I'm here to teach, and U gon learn today..

The birth of feminism caused an evolution of the family structure after divorce increasingly became the norm. (My words)

EVOLUTION (the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form) has never been associated with deconstruction (as u ignorantly stated), but more with progression. Nothing has EVER evolved to be worse than it was before..

Even if you argue mutation as a mechanism of evolution, or natural selection (only the strong survive), both concepts made species 'better'; one eliminating weak traits and the other modifying existing ones to the point the 'new' version seems too good to be true (Example: X-MEN)

So the application of feminism to divorce provided men with more options to continue being an active parent in a child's life, as opposed to being simply an ATM.

I propose that this evolution will lead to less of the fatherless behavior you described previously due to more fathers being active participants in parenting through joint custody situations.

As more men make better selections in partners, natural selection, as well as generations of men raising boys to be MEN will eliminate the useless, parasitic leeches we call hoes and bitches, replacing them with women more capable of self-suffiency, the most basic principle of HUMAN SURVIVAL..causing an evolution of family structure that benefits the child by allowing the dad in the situation to be a father.

ALL THANKS TO FEMINISM. (And Darwinian Evolution)

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

First and foremost, my coparenting comrade, I must ask

Spoiler

Its OK if you are

I understand the point that you are making that feminism has produced a change in the American family, especially the very structure of the family. I totally agree...

But the fundamental question, one you happen to be skirting like Trump when it comes to his taxes is...

Is feminism bad for the family...currently?

Not how it will be good in the hypothetical future

Not this potential evolution that will bring about this potential lifting of the fatherless, obsessed, thot girl and thot boy (look it up, its a real thing) subculture that has infested the lives of the youth.

What is the reality of the aftermath of feminism, as it currently stands? And how have the conditions in the above arguments I have presented not come in the wake of feminism, or more specifically, because of feminism?

I say this because... women have been out of the kitchen and in the office for decades now, leaving a trail of confused young men and scornful, vengeful, angrily sexual young women (trust me, I know!) in their wake. What other cauldron were these calamities cooked up in other than in the caustic pot of Feminism?

 

[yellowtapesport]

Before I give my closing, as you read both arguments, I must remind you to keep in mind the mission of each side of a debate. The affirmative has the duty to prove its case, often through example and detail, while the negative side must not only disprove the affirmative's case, but also offer new resolution to a current problem.

In this debate: Is feminism bad for the family structure..I was forced to argue the pro side of the concept of feminism as it relates to family structure, thus making my argument that of the affirmative.

In the beginning of the debate, my opponent and I agreed upon a common definition of family structure (Husband/Wife/Child), but also agreed that the family structure we cited is currently broken. We also agreed on a definition of feminism (see above).

Before the strong push of the feminist movement, men took care of the financial responsibilities of the household usually by working, while the woman stayed home to raise children. When the marriage didn't work, which became more and more common, the man was left to continue to bear that financial responsibility regardless of whether or not the woman has moved on to a new intimate situation.

Enter the feminist movement..women have empowered themselves, educated themselves, and become better prepared to contribute to the financial responsibilities of child rearing.

Now, when marriages fail, there is no dependency by one spouse on the other, which caused an emotional division between the child and the non-custodial parent (usually the father). Instead, both parents can continue to share all the responsibilities of raising their child equally.

This gives rise to a new, evolved family structure that is child-centered, and in the best interest of the child: having both parents equally involved in and contributing to the future of the child.

THAT ^^^^ my brother, is happening today...and I am the example.

And I can guarantee my son will never wear a dress nor select a thot that booty pops on the gram as a partner.

And THAT ^^^ my brother is natural selection at work, which is a mechanism for the EVOLUTION of a new, better family structure.

All thanks to feminism.

Now as you judge both sides, you can see clearly that I've proved my case through both example and detail.

My opponent, however, has not disproved anything I've said, nor has he offered a better solution to any of the problems that he suggest currently exist.

What he has done, is shown the effects of feminism on his argument by hyper-focusing on problems but not offering any solutions, through paragraphs filled with passive-aggressive questions as an attempt to deflect from the lack of substance in his argument.

Very feminine.

Thank you, and I look forward to your unbiased judgement