Feminist Now Trying to Come After King Kendrick!!!

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Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715481 said:
i've never seen you do a lot of shit but i 'm not going to automatically presume that do or don't do something because it doesn't fit my narrative

you're going to have to just trust me

otherwise i really don't believe i've just been out here defending just any ol bullshit....you disagree ....cool...

and here we go with the 'well he was stating his preferences'....'why is that so wrong"

again the issue isn't with him simply stating his preferences though. at least from what i gathered. as i stated before, looking like lira galore opposed to india arie comes with social benefits and privileges for women. instead of challenging that system of value, he is prioritizing his preferences in it

i don't how else to explain it

you think it's all dumb or whatever ...cool... let's agree to disagree ...if that makes you think less of me ...dope lol

and let me get this straight...

so when a blk woman uses a public platform to criticize blk man she isn't also "attacked", regardless of whether she makes valid points???? lol i've observed this ...it happens...and is there is nothing wrong with it- discussing our grievances and differences.... checking ppl when they need to checked...it can be a learning experience.....lol

Look I don't know what else to say. What's the point of feminism? To gain equal treatment, equal respect, and equal rights for women. Find me a man that isn't an extreme misogynist or sexist that doesn't want all those same things for women. Do all men agree with all feminists on all matters? Of course not. That will never happen because we don't think the same and we never will. However, does it help to attack a person every time he expresses a personal opinion, desire, or preference that differs from your own?

Does looking like Lira Galore offer more benefits in this society than looking like India Arie? Probably, but what does that have to do with anything? He wasn't addressing that problem. So based on what you're saying, they are going at him because he made a statement that was true to his own views instead of making the statement they feel he should have made. If you don't see the problem, I don't know what to tell you.

I will say that's why this "extremist" argument ya'll always try to use is bullshit. I freely give you credit for not being an extremist, yet you are fighting tooth and nail to defend the bullshit. Discussing grievances and differences is fine. Checking people that need to be checked is too. But from what I've seen, there's like 10 different reasons floating around for why Kendrick was wrong in this situation and none of them make any sense. Feminists are just attacking him to attack him. That shit is divisive. If you feel like division helps your cause, then fine, ya'll keep doing what you're doing. But I personally can't understand how going out of your way to find fault with any and everything that any black man does at any time can possibly serve your purpose...unless of course if you're one of those man hating extremists whose purpose is separation from the black man.
 
deadeye;c-9715512 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
i call out the extremist and the ignorance all the time when it's appropriate and or necessary

with the kdot situation, if you wade through the bullshit some of his critics raised some valid points... that is not me contradicting myself

extremists can have legitimate grievances

Unbelievable.

Well, not really.

The bolded is what you do all the time.

You never outright condemn anything these radical feminists do.

You always have to throw in some caveat or disclaimer to justify their actions.

Basically, all of your "calling out" of radical feminists results in nothing more than saying............."yeah, but"

women, feminist

we are individuals, not a monolith

that said, the video featured a lot of controversial imagery so naturally it garnered a lot of attention and opinions from different people

most the tweets, blogs I read about the video from men and women were just ppl seeking attention, which they got.....like the complaints about the girl in his video being light skinned... some ppl didn't like he was dressed as the pope at one point

still some of the critiques I believe were valid

*shrugs*

and what you may consider extreme, I may not

so there's that

also when someone posted the video of the ladies at the breakfast club I acknowledged they got things wrong and it was problematic

and I do believe there are feminist who conflate bad behavior with criminal behavior when discussing rape culture which is highly problematic

I believe the family court system is broken and a man should have the opportunity to sign away his financial responsibilities for a child within a certain time frame

shit some feminist strongly disagree with

things I've discussed on numerous of times

 
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Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9716017 said:
deadeye;c-9715512 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
i call out the extremist and the ignorance all the time when it's appropriate and or necessary

with the kdot situation, if you wade through the bullshit some of his critics raised some valid points... that is not me contradicting myself

extremists can have legitimate grievances

Unbelievable.

Well, not really.

The bolded is what you do all the time.

You never outright condemn anything these radical feminists do.

You always have to throw in some caveat or disclaimer to justify their actions.

Basically, all of your "calling out" of radical feminists results in nothing more than saying............."yeah, but"

women, feminist

we are individuals, not a monolith

that said, the video featured a lot of controversial imagery so naturally it garnered a lot of attention and opinions from different people

most the tweets, blogs I read about the video from men and women were just ppl seeking attention, which they got.....like the complaints about the girl in his video being light skinned... some ppl didn't like he was dressed as the pope at one point

still some of the critiques I believe were valid

*shrugs*

and what you may consider extreme, I may not

so there's that

also when someone posted the video of the ladies at the breakfast club I acknowledged they got things wrong and it was problematic

and I do believe there are feminist who conflate bad behavior with criminal behavior when discussing rape culture which is highly problematic

Do you remember what you said? I didn't see you comment on it. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just curious about your perspective.

Those chicks annoyed the shit out of me, but like I said, I don't think they were extremists. I don't think they were bad or many of their points were bad. But they are a good reason why I think feminism is dangerous and should be dismissed. Like the example I gave in this topic. When they got on there and said that black men are the number one cause of death for black women, that's an egregious lie. The only people other than them that I've seen say shit like that is members of White Supremacist groups. When they say it, it's almost harmless, because no one believes anything a KKK member says about blacks except other KKK members/white supremacists. However, if a black woman says it, people will take it as truth because they feel black women would have no reason to lie about that. Even Charlemagne bought into it. Now, if I say that on the whole, those two chicks might be examples of reasonable feminists, what does it say about feminism, in general, if even the reasonable ones are out their using dishonesty or speaking in ignorance in a way that can harm the community?
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9715516 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715481 said:
i've never seen you do a lot of shit but i 'm not going to automatically presume that do or don't do something because it doesn't fit my narrative

you're going to have to just trust me

otherwise i really don't believe i've just been out here defending just any ol bullshit....you disagree ....cool...

and here we go with the 'well he was stating his preferences'....'why is that so wrong"

again the issue isn't with him simply stating his preferences though. at least from what i gathered. as i stated before, looking like lira galore opposed to india arie comes with social benefits and privileges for women. instead of challenging that system of value, he is prioritizing his preferences in it

i don't how else to explain it

you think it's all dumb or whatever ...cool... let's agree to disagree ...if that makes you think less of me ...dope lol

and let me get this straight...

so when a blk woman uses a public platform to criticize blk man she isn't also "attacked", regardless of whether she makes valid points???? lol i've observed this ...it happens...and is there is nothing wrong with it- discussing our grievances and differences.... checking ppl when they need to checked...it can be a learning experience.....lol

Look I don't know what else to say. What's the point of feminism? To gain equal treatment, equal respect, and equal rights for women. Find me a man that isn't an extreme misogynist or sexist that doesn't want all those same things for women. Do all men agree with all feminists on all matters? Of course not. That will never happen because we don't think the same and we never will. However, does it help to attack a person every time he expresses a personal opinion, desire, or preference that differs from your own?

Does looking like Lira Galore offer more benefits in this society than looking like India Arie? Probably, but what does that have to do with anything? He wasn't addressing that problem. So based on what you're saying, they are going at him because he made a statement that was true to his own views instead of making the statement they feel he should have made. If you don't see the problem, I don't know what to tell you.

I will say that's why this "extremist" argument ya'll always try to use is bullshit. I freely give you credit for not being an extremist, yet you are fighting tooth and nail to defend the bullshit. Discussing grievances and differences is fine. Checking people that need to be checked is too. But from what I've seen, there's like 10 different reasons floating around for why Kendrick was wrong in this situation and none of them make any sense. Feminists are just attacking him to attack him. That shit is divisive. If you feel like division helps your cause, then fine, ya'll keep doing what you're doing. But I personally can't understand how going out of your way to find fault with any and everything that any black man does at any time can possibly serve your purpose...unless of course if you're one of those man hating extremists whose purpose is separation from the black man.

your knowledge of feminism is very limited, so all I can suggest is try reading angela davis...

they aren't necessarily the most moderate, bell hooks in particular...but if you care enough to get a better understanding of what you are criticizing start there

that said, it's hard growing up as a hip hop fan if you are somewhat conscious, especially if you are a somewhat conscious blk woman

especially when you get alittle older and start to reallly absorb what you are consuming

the industry caters to men...and they don't really push a lot of female artists

most the lyric are sexist at best, misgonistic at worst...even a lot of the underground

we can just stop listening to hip hop, but it's hard when that's what you grew up with ...and you can still relate and/or appreciate the other aspects of the music like the bravado and production

plus it's everywhere

then when we get someone who is somewhat conscious and pro blk like a kendrick we begin to expect or at least hope for that artist not do and say certain things or to just 'get it'...when they don't it's disappointing ....and they are expressing their disappointment

and can we stop pretending as though he is just stating what he likes and didn't have an agenda when he says he is tired of 'photo shop' and 'he wants to see stretch marks' ....he is clearly joining in on the recent "movement" to end the use of IG filters and other means to enhance a woman's beauty

dope idea on the surface, but again the execution is lacking

it's going to be hard for you to understand ...but at least I wish yall would emphasize and stop seeing every criticism as an "attack"

 
here's an article from a young lady that serves good insight into some of the backlash



Our Unreasonable And Arbitrarily Critical Standards For Women Making An Effort To Enhance Their Beauty


There’s a lot of huff made these days about social media and an alleged rise in vanity and narcissism (despite neither being all that quantifiable). People bemoan Snapchat filters, Facetune, and the heavily glammed up ladies that employ their visual enhancing features. Not surprisingly, this huff is usually directed at women; most of whom are often accused of being both vapid and dubious. Obviously filters can be made to beautify; they smooth skin, slim faces, and brighten teeth. Waists can be snatched, hips curved, asses can be plumped, noses can be nipped, all with the swipe of a screen or touch of a button. We are indeed living in a much more visual world, and a lot of us are much more image savvy than our generational predecessors. That being said, it doesn’t necessarily explain the vitriol sometimes directed at women who people accuse of “faking” or “cheating” at being beautiful and are deemed unworthy of such acclaim.

We’ve all seen the shock and dismay at “before & after” pictures of women who have undergone a dramatic transformation with the help of a skilled makeup artist. Peruse the comments under any such image on Facebook, IG, or Twitter and what you’ll often see is a range of shock, awe, and disgust baked into commentary characterized as harmless jokes.

Men will exclaim “shit like this is why I have trust issues” and even other women will chime in to agree that this type of ‘transformation’ is both deceitful and unnecessary. The overall reaction seems to imply that people get very disturbed when the women they deem naturally unattractive can be thought to be attractive even in a passing moment. You can see the same elements regarding imagery of women who’ve had surgical enhancements often prompting the cry “What is the world coming to? What happened to [real] natural beauty?”

Beauty is a complicated thing; some folks say its subjective or political. Some folks try to measure it with the golden ratio and assemble a list of white actresses who allegedly embody its perfection. However, what’s indisputable is that beauty is a commodity and treated as such. These days, the everyday woman has unprecedented access to plastic surgery procedures, make up techniques, advanced weave & lace front technology and photo enhancing methods that were once only available to starlets. Consequently, as with anything in this world, once something becomes more accessible, people begin to elect themselves arbiters, gatekeepers, and protectors of its purer, “realer” form. If beauty is no longer as exclusive, how do we then value it? If any ole woman can become “beautiful” then what other metric can a woman’s value can women be judged by? Something trivial like her personality or character?! Who wants that? Who can be trusted?!

That seems to be at the root of the panic found in men who express feeling violated for having been attracted to a complete stranger that benefits greatly from skillfully applied makeup or clever camera angles, and women who find themselves competing for male attention with other women who might have purchased the coveted physical features they were born with. The floodgates are open, and now anyone with about $5-8k and a ticket to the Dominican Republic, can become desirable. Is this really some sort of social anarchy that merits panic? A significant indicator of moral decay?

Now, there might be some arguable valid concerns in all of this. As there is a rise in plastic surgery that a AAFRPS survey associates with social media, and while that in itself is not necessarily a morally “bad” thing, it can translate to more opportunity for unscrupulous and bootleg plastic surgeons, and invasive procedures do involve risk. Several people have died from non-FDA approved butt shots, in an attempt to obtain the homogeneous body shape of prized IG models. And there is always that margin of people who go for unfathomable body proportions, and charlatans who tout their new BBL (Brazilian Butt Lift) as the result of the new Flat Tummy Tea and workout regimen they’re selling. One can argue that it contributes to unrealistic expectations for women, but has ‘natural beauty’ ever been more attainable? So often people couch facile critiques of women’s choices in regards to their appearance, in feigned concern for their health and well being, it’s hard to discern what’s what. Reinforcement of beauty standards is so often about obedience, not health and certainly not the benefit of women.

Humans have always been image conscious, and it’s likely since the first black obsidian glass mirrors were made in Antonia we’ve found ways to beautify and improve the reflections staring back at us. And while we have more advanced smoke & mirrors at our disposal, the average woman is not that skilled at drastic transformations. Sometimes a professionally beat face can be a treat, self expression, or a cathartic indulgence. Sometimes you just wanna conceal a hormonal breakout, sometimes dog ears are just fun, sometimes you decide you’re finally gonna go through with that ‘mommy makeover’ because it’s time do something for yourself. Hell, sometimes you just wanna look like the prototypical ‘bad bitch.’ Maybe you are feeling a little insecure about your appearance, is that ok? These motivations however, are not always tell-tell signs of low self esteem, intent to deceive or shame or an omen of a doomed generation.

The difference between repulsive vanity and celebration of beauty seems to depend on who’s holding the lens. It’s acceptable when a woman’s beauty is celebrated by observers, but not when she’s leading the parade herself. Despite that meme (you know the one) depicting a woman on her knees giving blowjobs to various phallic shaped social media platforms that your MCM crush posts on IG with a ‘Food 4 thought’ caption, social media is not corrupting masses of wimmenz. Nor is it leading them down a path of wayward digital fellatio gangbangs in an attempt for validation.

We’ve always lived in a world where beauty is demanded of women, and those who cannot or are disinterested in producing it are ignored, mocked and /or scorned, those who try to conform are mocked and scorned, and those who fit within its relative parameters while celebrated are also treated like possessions. It’s a difficult maze that we all struggle in navigating while trying to maintain some semblance of sanity and positive self image, and the world as we know it is not in danger because a few of us engage in a little more pageantry and self aggrandizing along the way.

P.S – You will have to pry the blue hued SC filter from my cold dead hands, my phone’s front facing camera makes me look like a skeptical potato
http://verysmartbrothas.com/our-unr...men-making-an-effort-to-enhance-their-beauty/
 
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9717549 said:
your knowledge of feminism is very limited, so all I can suggest is try reading angela davis...

they aren't necessarily the most moderate, bell hooks in particular...but if you care enough to get a better understanding of what you are criticizing start there

that said, it's hard growing up as a hip hop fan if you are somewhat conscious, especially if you are a somewhat conscious blk woman

especially when you get alittle older and start to reallly absorb what you are consuming

the industry caters to men...and they don't really push a lot of female artists

most the lyric are sexist at best, misgonistic at worst...even a lot of the underground

we can just stop listening to hip hop, but it's hard when that's what you grew up with ...and you can still relate and/or appreciate the other aspects of the music like the bravado and production

plus it's everywhere

then when we get someone who is somewhat conscious and pro blk like a kendrick we begin to expect or at least hope for that artist not do and say certain things or to just 'get it'...when they don't it's disappointing ....and they are expressing their disappointment

and can we stop pretending as though he is just stating what he likes and didn't have an agenda when he says he is tired of 'photo shop' and 'he wants to see stretch marks' ....he is clearly joining in on the recent "movement" to end the use of IG filters and other means to enhance a woman's beauty

dope idea on the surface, but again the execution is lacking

it's going to be hard for you to understand ...but at least I wish yall would emphasize and stop seeing every criticism as an "attack"

Maybe you need to go back and look at some of those comments, but they were not worded the way you just put things. Most of them were of the "Kendrick is is a fake. I won't be supporting him anymore" variety. How is that not an attack? If it was just a bunch of comments from women saying they were disappointed that he didn't really get how they felt, we would not be talking about this because that wouldn't be deemed a "controversy." The reason we're talking about this is because the general tone of the criticisms were hostile.

And I get what you're saying about Hip Hop. Sometimes I wonder how females can even be Hip Hop fans. I don't necessarily think it's as bad as you just portrayed it, but it is rarely flattering, I think we can agree on that.

I also think you're making assumptions that are unfounded. You're saying he's joining on some movement to end IG filters. That would make sense I guess if he said something about IG, but he didn't. He mentioned photoshop, and the backlash against the use of photoshop to create a false perception of beauty has been around since before IG even existed.

Ya'll really need to take what he said for what it is and stop adding to it. Then maybe you'd understand why many people (male and female) think you're being ridiculous with these criticisms.

On another note, I don't know why you keep trying to act like I know nothing about feminism just because I don't agree with it. I've never read Angela Davis, but I've heard her and others that are considered prominent speak. I'm not the expert on feminism that you are, but I'm not so ignorant to it and many of the concerns it raises that my viewpoint on it can just be dismissed. At the end of the day, we've been down this road. I've presented claims made by feminists that were false and showed they were false. What more do I need to know if at a fundamental level may of the things you guys are pushing nowadays are simply untrue?
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9716044 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9716017 said:
deadeye;c-9715512 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
i call out the extremist and the ignorance all the time when it's appropriate and or necessary

with the kdot situation, if you wade through the bullshit some of his critics raised some valid points... that is not me contradicting myself

extremists can have legitimate grievances

Unbelievable.

Well, not really.

The bolded is what you do all the time.

You never outright condemn anything these radical feminists do.

You always have to throw in some caveat or disclaimer to justify their actions.

Basically, all of your "calling out" of radical feminists results in nothing more than saying............."yeah, but"

women, feminist

we are individuals, not a monolith

that said, the video featured a lot of controversial imagery so naturally it garnered a lot of attention and opinions from different people

most the tweets, blogs I read about the video from men and women were just ppl seeking attention, which they got.....like the complaints about the girl in his video being light skinned... some ppl didn't like he was dressed as the pope at one point

still some of the critiques I believe were valid

*shrugs*

and what you may consider extreme, I may not

so there's that

also when someone posted the video of the ladies at the breakfast club I acknowledged they got things wrong and it was problematic

and I do believe there are feminist who conflate bad behavior with criminal behavior when discussing rape culture which is highly problematic

Do you remember what you said? I didn't see you comment on it. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm just curious about your perspective.

Those chicks annoyed the shit out of me, but like I said, I don't think they were extremists. I don't think they were bad or many of their points were bad. But they are a good reason why I think feminism is dangerous and should be dismissed. Like the example I gave in this topic. When they got on there and said that black men are the number one cause of death for black women, that's an egregious lie. The only people other than them that I've seen say shit like that is members of White Supremacist groups. When they say it, it's almost harmless, because no one believes anything a KKK member says about blacks except other KKK members/white supremacists. However, if a black woman says it, people will take it as truth because they feel black women would have no reason to lie about that. Even Charlemagne bought into it. Now, if I say that on the whole, those two chicks might be examples of reasonable feminists, what does it say about feminism, in general, if even the reasonable ones are out their using dishonesty or speaking in ignorance in a way that can harm the community?

I posted some critiques in the breakfast club thread

feminism needs to continue because we still live in a world that largely undermines and devalues women....

though spreading misinformation can be dangerous, the actions of these two women are not representative of the reasonable, knowledgeable feminists that are out here doing work

they had their stats wrong.... but women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than men ...and a significant number of young women, particularly blk women, have died at the hands of an intimate partner of the opposite sex...enough to the point where it needs to addressed

I don't believe its a race thing ...and where I differ with the ladies, is that domestic violence is as one sided as some make it seem

 
LordZuko;c-9715509 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715481 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9715273 said:
LordZuko;c-9715036 said:
Not a multicultural power structure.

A multicultural plebian class yea but they were all suborned to a more powerful unified class

That's not really true. Take the Roman empire for instance. Of course, the Romans controlled it, but people among those they conquered also had power and more importantly those cultures affected Rome and the Roman culture. It's pretty much the same with all great empires many of which were around a lot longer than modern empires/powers.

Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
i call out the extremist and the ignorance all the time when it's appropriate and or necessary

with the kdot situation, if you wade through the bullshit some of his critics raised some valid points... that is not me contradicting myself

extremists can have legitimate grievances

I've never seen you do that. I'm not saying you haven't. I haven't seen it. And I don't really see any valid points in this situation. At the end of the day, you guys are bashing this man for giving his perspective on what he finds attractive and what he'd like to see from women. Since when were men not allowed to have preferences and make those preferences known?

Why is it that black women feel like they can get on TV, the radio, basically anywhere they get a voice and criticize black men, but if a black man uses his voice to simply give his perspective, he deserves to be attacked?

i've never seen you do a lot of shit but i 'm not going to automatically presume that do or don't do something because it doesn't fit my narrative

you're going to have to just trust me

otherwise i really don't believe i've just been out here defending just any ol bullshit....you disagree ....cool...

and here we go with the 'well he was stating his preferences'....'why is that so wrong"

again the issue isn't with him simply stating his preferences though. at least from what i gathered. as i stated before, looking like lira galore opposed to india arie comes with social benefits and privileges for women. instead of challenging that system of value, he is prioritizing his preferences in it

i don't how else to explain it

you think it's all dumb or whatever ...cool... let's agree to disagree ...if that makes you think less of me ...dope lol

and let me get this straight...

so when a blk woman uses a public platform to criticize blk man she isn't also "attacked", regardless of whether she makes valid points???? lol i've observed this ...it happens...and is there is nothing wrong with it- discussing our grievances and differences.... checking ppl when they need to checked...it can be a learning experience.....lol

not one black woman has lost her platform or even her job for criticizing black men. Can't say the same vice versa.

i need receipts bruh
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9717565 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9717549 said:
your knowledge of feminism is very limited, so all I can suggest is try reading angela davis...

they aren't necessarily the most moderate, bell hooks in particular...but if you care enough to get a better understanding of what you are criticizing start there

that said, it's hard growing up as a hip hop fan if you are somewhat conscious, especially if you are a somewhat conscious blk woman

especially when you get alittle older and start to reallly absorb what you are consuming

the industry caters to men...and they don't really push a lot of female artists

most the lyric are sexist at best, misgonistic at worst...even a lot of the underground

we can just stop listening to hip hop, but it's hard when that's what you grew up with ...and you can still relate and/or appreciate the other aspects of the music like the bravado and production

plus it's everywhere

then when we get someone who is somewhat conscious and pro blk like a kendrick we begin to expect or at least hope for that artist not do and say certain things or to just 'get it'...when they don't it's disappointing ....and they are expressing their disappointment

and can we stop pretending as though he is just stating what he likes and didn't have an agenda when he says he is tired of 'photo shop' and 'he wants to see stretch marks' ....he is clearly joining in on the recent "movement" to end the use of IG filters and other means to enhance a woman's beauty

dope idea on the surface, but again the execution is lacking

it's going to be hard for you to understand ...but at least I wish yall would emphasize and stop seeing every criticism as an "attack"

Maybe you need to go back and look at some of those comments, but they were not worded the way you just put things. Most of them were of the "Kendrick is is a fake. I won't be supporting him anymore" variety. How is that not an attack? If it was just a bunch of comments from women saying they were disappointed that he didn't really get how they felt, we would not be talking about this because that wouldn't be deemed a "controversy." The reason we're talking about this is because the general tone of the criticisms were hostile.

And I get what you're saying about Hip Hop. Sometimes I wonder how females can even be Hip Hop fans. I don't necessarily think it's as bad as you just portrayed it, but it is rarely flattering, I think we can agree on that.

I also think you're making assumptions that are unfounded. You're saying he's joining on some movement to end IG filters. That would make sense I guess if he said something about IG, but he didn't. He mentioned photoshop, and the backlash against the use of photoshop to create a false perception of beauty has been around since before IG even existed.

Ya'll really need to take what he said for what it is and stop adding to it. Then maybe you'd understand why many people (male and female) think you're being ridiculous with these criticisms.

On another note, I don't know why you keep trying to act like I know nothing about feminism just because I don't agree with it. I've never read Angela Davis, but I've heard her and others that are considered prominent speak. I'm not the expert on feminism that you are, but I'm not so ignorant to it and many of the concerns it raises that my viewpoint on it can just be dismissed. At the end of the day, we've been down this road. I've presented claims made by feminists that were false and showed they were false. What more do I need to know if at a fundamental level may of the things you guys are pushing nowadays are simply untrue?

just from reading ur posts it seems as though you only have a very basic understanding of feminism ... and then you ask what is the point of feminism as if the work is over

it also seems as though most of impressions of feminism comes from mainstream media sources and social media...I'd have a bad impression of feminism too if I believed every thing I read or seen on the internet were representative of most feminists

and i didn't really see too many commenters threatening to stop supporting his music

but yea when ppl are disappointed with the actions or words of someone, they sometimes will choose not to support that person, and usually don't have kind words for that person... not that that makes it right

and everything nowadays is deemed a "controversy." especially when a celebrity is involved. just more shit to get clicks and fill the 24 hr news cycle
 
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9717621 said:
I posted some critiques in the breakfast club thread

feminism needs to continue because we still live in a world that largely undermines and devalues women....

though spreading misinformation can be dangerous, the actions of these two women are not representative of the reasonable, knowledgeable feminists that are out here doing work

they had their stats wrong.... but women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than men ...and a significant number of young women, particularly blk women, have died at the hands of an intimate partner of the opposite sex...enough to the point where it needs to addressed

I don't believe its a race thing ...and where I differ with the ladies, is that domestic violence is as one sided as some make it seem

That's fair. I don't believe feminism needs to die even if I say that, but I do believe the reasonable feminists need to take a more prominent role in the delivery of the message. I'm sure you disagree with me, but just take from an outsider looking in, ya'll aren't being defined by your best representatives.

Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9717704 said:
just from reading ur posts it seems as though you only have a very basic understanding of feminism ... and then you ask what is the point of feminism as if the work is over

it also seems as though most of impressions of feminism comes from mainstream media sources and social media...I'd have a bad impression of feminism too if I believed every thing I read or seen on the internet were representative of most feminists

and i didn't really see too many commenters threatening to stop supporting his music

but yea when ppl are disappointed with the actions or words of someone, they sometimes will choose not to support that person, and usually don't have kind words for that person... not that that makes it right

and everything nowadays is deemed a "controversy." especially when a celebrity is involved. just more shit to get clicks and fill the 24 hr news cycle

Well, I'm not an expert on it or anything, and I try to only critique the aspects or points of it I'm familiar with. So, maybe my statements exceed the scope of my arguments sometimes. That's a fair critique I guess.

And I don't hang around a lot of feminists (as you could probably guess), so you're right most of my knowledge of how feminists behave come from public sources. Not so much social media, but documentaries, op eds, blogs, etc... I recognize those probably aren't the best sources, but I don't think they are bad sources either. That said, I suppose I'd have no way of knowing what proportion of feminists think in such extreme ways. I guess from now on I'll simply criticize bad points instead of always railing against feminists and feminism. That would be fairer and more reasonable.
 
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Nah feminism needs to die. But it won't. So essentially what has to happen is the state needs to collapse to a point where it can no longer artificially boost women.

If you ever get to a point again where it's small group tribalism where men have to aggressively compete with other men over resources you will see females fall all the way back.

But if it ever gets to that point black people are gonna be decimated because black males in particular are raised to be servile and not raised to compete.
 
LordZuko;c-9719067 said:
Nah feminism needs to die. But it won't. So essentially what has to happen is the state needs to collapse to a point where it can no longer artificially boost women.

If you ever get to a point again where it's small group tribalism where men have to aggressively compete with other men over resources you will see females fall all the way back.

But if it ever gets to that point black people are gonna be decimated because black males in particular are raised to be servile and not raised to compete.

Well society raisses black men to be servile so if society collapsed and we went back to small group tribalism, black males would probably become less servile and more competitive in the nature your alluding too
 
Feminism was created by white women for the sole purpose of having a seat at the table of their white supremacist male counterparts. So any black woman that identifies with feminism is a suspected coon. You think those white supremacists females want y'all black asses getting the benefits that these white supremacists females are fighting for? But go ahead keep on being their lapdogs and spewing their talking points.
 
jetlifebih;c-9719440 said:
LordZuko;c-9719067 said:
Nah feminism needs to die. But it won't. So essentially what has to happen is the state needs to collapse to a point where it can no longer artificially boost women.

If you ever get to a point again where it's small group tribalism where men have to aggressively compete with other men over resources you will see females fall all the way back.

But if it ever gets to that point black people are gonna be decimated because black males in particular are raised to be servile and not raised to compete.

Well society raisses black men to be servile so if society collapsed and we went back to small group tribalism, black males would probably become less servile and more competitive in the nature your alluding too

Black women raise black boys to servile.

So when society collapses and returns small tribal units black people a whole will at disadvantage as we general do practice self sufficiency.
 
5th Letter;c-9719533 said:
Feminism was created by white women for the sole purpose of having a seat at the table of their white supremacist male counterparts. So any black woman that identifies with feminism is a suspected coon. You think those white supremacists females want y'all black asses getting the benefits that these white supremacists females are fighting for? But go ahead keep on being their lapdogs and spewing their talking points.

Question should be where do u get ur talking points from lol

Women like Angela davis and assata shakur identify with feminism should they not be trusted?? should we discount their work as civil rights activist???
 
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