konceptjones
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LordZuko;c-9714394 said:
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konceptjones;c-9714257 said:
If it achieved its goal a long time ago then you wouldn't have shit like politicians saying shit like there's a difference between rape and "legitimate rape"...you wouldn't have states like Texas passing laws saying doctors can outright lie to pregnant women about the condition of the fetus/child growing inside them to prevent the chance of the woman wanting to terminate the pregnancy. There's a bunch more examples but those are just a couple of ones going on in the present. Look I'm definitely not saying I agree with those on the extreme end of things but to say that the goal has been achieved when there are literally laws being made restricting what women can and can't do...when you got rapists getting off with probation when they confess to the crime...when you got people in power saying a stay at home mother should be illegal that's an issue or women of color being penalized harder in the legal system than their white counterparts that's a part of their fight as well. The stuff you're saying your wife and friends believe in that's actually part of feminism too. The right for a woman to feel that way free of judgment. Its up to you to see the extreme for what it is and then sift through and see the true point which really ain't that hard to pinpoint. Its just easier to point out the extremists and use them to dismiss everything instead of actually seeing the real point being made with the issues that affect women directly.
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konceptjones
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blackrain;c-9714699 said:
So... you used an extremist to try to make a point? Seriously bruh???
Look... Every human being has free will and are able to choose what they want to believe and, much to your chagrin, they are able to say what they want whether it's socially acceptable or not. This is why you have extremists believing in shit like "legitimate rape" just as you still have white folks that believe Africans have tails and Black folks that believe whites were a genetic experiment by the Annunaki.
What you fail to understand is that the lawmakers in Texas are supported by women. There are women that are staunch anti-abortionists because they hold the belief that life begins at conception and that all life is sacred. Those women have a right to their beliefs just as much as women who believe in abortion as a woman's choice do. People like you fail to understand that while a person's belief may be distasteful to you, they're still entitled to it in a free society. Anything less is thought-control, and is a step towards a Big Brother-like society where anything outside of what those in power tell you to believe is a crime against the state.
Let me pull out something you just wrote...
blackrain;c-9714699 said:
Fam... You know the several thousand female teachers that have been caught in the last few years committing statutory rape? Do you know that most of them have received far lighter sentences than their male counterparts. Many of those women got off with probation while the convicted men sit in protective custody in prison for being "chomos". Relatively few of those women convicted have to register as a sex offender while the men that have committed the same crime will always have to. In fact...
https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx
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So while you try to make an example out of one guy that got off with probation for a rape, there are thousands of women that did the same. Dude that got probation got that one-in-a-million lucky break; he needs to play Powerball. The average cat that was convicted of the same crime is going straight to prison, then forced to register as a sex offender, likely for life. What's worse about this whole tangent is that you genuinely know that dude is an out-lier and bringing his case up is as intellectually dishonest as you claim I'm trying to be.
Generally speaking a man doesn't even have to be convicted of rape to have his life destroyed.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-11676804
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/yes-false-accusations-destroy-lives/article/2557145
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/25/local/la-me-rape-dismiss-20120525
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/mother-of-son-who-hanged-himself--after-being-accused-of/
Meanwhile women who falsely accuse men of rape walk away free in the vast majority of cases and, even worse, they're able to do so with complete anonymity because they're rarely ever named in the media.
You say women of color are sentenced harsher than their white counterparts? I offer that PEOPLE OF COLOR are sentenced harsher than their white counterparts and Black men, specifically, are ALWAYS on the fucked up end of the stick when it comes down to it. There has been study after study done that show that Black men are many times more likely to receive a harsher sentence than EVERYONE for the same crime so why are you even bothering with just Black women when Black PEOPLE always get a raw deal?
Feminism, in this country has the mindset of "you're with us or against us". This means that women that want to be stay at home moms are the enemy of feminism, Muslim women that genuinely want to wear a hijab and dress modestly as taught by their belief system are the enemy of feminism, women that believe men are better suited to some tasks are the enemy of feminism, women that don't believe in abortion are the enemy of feminism. This is how they think.
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konceptjones;c-9714776 said:
Good post. Another point is that the so-called normal feminists never condemn the extremists. Just look at @Madame_CJSkywalker. I don't think she's extreme even though I don't always agree with her. And she will say when something is overblown but then she'll defend it just like she did in this topic. If you're going to argue that a point has merit, you can't call it extreme.
The main thing you failed to point out is that those feminist extremists you are caught up in allowing to define an entire movement aren't in the position to make and enforce laws such as politicians and judges. I never said people aren't entitled to their own beliefs. I don't take issue with people holding different opinions than me. I take issue with people using weak supporting arguments to prop up said opinions. I also simply said to allow those who you know and admit hold extreme views that don't align with the majority is lazy on your part because it gives an easy out to dismiss everything instead of actually seeing the points being made.
To your point on female teachers being sentenced lighter than male teachers...well truthfully that goes back to how men paint sex. How often do those stories come out and the first reaction is "Damn where were those teachers when I was in school" or "That kid is stupid for telling"...As men we don't take sexual assault on young boys seriously regardless of who its committed by so that's not something you really should use to support your point.
I spoke specifically to black women in terms of sentencing because this topic is about women and there issues specific to black women that other women do not have to deal with. And there is more than 1 example of of a rapists getting off with a light sentence. I wasn't specifically talking about the example with the Stanford case because theres been more than 1 recently where there has been a very light sentence in a case where the person has been guilty.
All the shit you said their movement in this country is against is actually what they're fighting for. The right for them to do those things free of judgement. The mere fact that this information is out there yet you choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to rail against is lazy. I acknowledged there's extremists...you acknowledge there's extremists only difference is youre admittedly allowing that small group to define the whole instead of doing the smart thing and seeing that they're the outliers and the average person doesn't follow that line of thinking. The fact that a great number of women of color of all backgrounds don't even refer to themselves as feminists but use another term instead should be enough to let you know they don't follow the train of thought you're trying to box them into
To your point on female teachers being sentenced lighter than male teachers...well truthfully that goes back to how men paint sex. How often do those stories come out and the first reaction is "Damn where were those teachers when I was in school" or "That kid is stupid for telling"...As men we don't take sexual assault on young boys seriously regardless of who its committed by so that's not something you really should use to support your point.
I spoke specifically to black women in terms of sentencing because this topic is about women and there issues specific to black women that other women do not have to deal with. And there is more than 1 example of of a rapists getting off with a light sentence. I wasn't specifically talking about the example with the Stanford case because theres been more than 1 recently where there has been a very light sentence in a case where the person has been guilty.
All the shit you said their movement in this country is against is actually what they're fighting for. The right for them to do those things free of judgement. The mere fact that this information is out there yet you choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to rail against is lazy. I acknowledged there's extremists...you acknowledge there's extremists only difference is youre admittedly allowing that small group to define the whole instead of doing the smart thing and seeing that they're the outliers and the average person doesn't follow that line of thinking. The fact that a great number of women of color of all backgrounds don't even refer to themselves as feminists but use another term instead should be enough to let you know they don't follow the train of thought you're trying to box them into
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skpjr78;c-9714888 said:
opinion not fact.
The Lonious Monk;c-9714813 said:
That's the biggest problem right there.
The extremists seem to be the voice of the feminist movement, and the "normal" ones won't speak out for fear of being ostracized and/or accused of not presenting a united front.
Very similar to how conventional republicans rarely speak out against the tea party/freedom caucus republicans.
konceptjones
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blackrain;c-9714847 said:
The extremists are the group that got "regret" turned into "rape" and the laws have been drafted around that premise.
Doesn't matter how we feel about it, the law is clear: Having sex or sexual contact with a child below the age of consent is a criminal act. There are no provisions for the sex of the child or the sex of the offender anywhere in this country. As such a female teacher caught having sex with a 15 year old male student should face the exact same punishment as a male teacher and 15 year old female student but in practice this is not the case.
Those are still outliers. Thats like pointing to Soon Ja Du's probation and community service after murdering Latasha Harlins as something that happens often. Again, it's intellectually dishonest to point to fringe cases as if they're somehow a symptom of a larger problem when the overwhelming majority of similar cases are adjudicated in stark contrast to those few.
Nothing in this world is free from judgment. There is no right for anyone to do something and be free from judgment; that's some fairy tale bullshit. If that were the case, then a 40-something year old balding white man with a handlebar mustache would be able to get a job as a babysitter without everyone assuming he's a pedophile looking to rape your child.
As I said earlier, the small group has the mic, they have control over the narrative, they're the loudest, most outspoken group. They have the media presence no one else has ergo they are the current face of feminism.
If they are a mis-characterization of feminism, then feminists that don't subscribe to their ideologies need to speak up loudly to denounce the extremists in the same way Muslims that are being mis-characterized by the likes of Al Qaeda, ISIS, and the like and need to.
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Its crazy because I look back in the past & a lot of chicks would've looked better today if they didn't play with their face & features
Madame_CJSkywalker
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LordZuko;c-9714394 said:
while looks matter....evolution and shit
what's considered attractive is also subjective...
if one thinks about the things we find attractive or unattractive and compares them to the things that truly indicate genetic health or youth 5 times out of 10 they don't overlap
some cultures like fat ppl over skinny ppl
but I digress
we live in a male dominated society that depicts women as commodities ....and places more value in a woman's attractiveness over her intelligence and character
opposed to men who are more so valued for their minds, athleticism, leadership skills and career orientated endeavors ....being we also live in a capitalistic society, men subsequently have more avenues to move up the social/economic ladder which helps to perpetuate the power imbalances favoring men
even in the movies or tv, the most unattractive men ends up with the attractive girl because he won her over with his mind, athleticism, bank account, etc
that said, at the moment looking like lira galore and kim kardashian comes with very real social benefits and privileges
so if your agenda is to empower women, why than bash and shame them for wanting to look like these women opposed to challenging the cultural forces that places a kim k on a pedestal?
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The Lonious Monk;c-9714813 said:
i call out the extremist and the ignorance all the time when it's appropriate and or necessary
with the kdot situation, if you wade through the bullshit some of his critics raised some valid points... that is not me contradicting myself
extremists can have legitimate grievances
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LordZuko;c-9715036 said:
That's not really true. Take the Roman empire for instance. Of course, the Romans controlled it, but people among those they conquered also had power and more importantly those cultures affected Rome and the Roman culture. It's pretty much the same with all great empires many of which were around a lot longer than modern empires/powers.
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
I've never seen you do that. I'm not saying you haven't. I haven't seen it. And I don't really see any valid points in this situation. At the end of the day, you guys are bashing this man for giving his perspective on what he finds attractive and what he'd like to see from women. Since when were men not allowed to have preferences and make those preferences known?
Why is it that black women feel like they can get on TV, the radio, basically anywhere they get a voice and criticize black men, but if a black man uses his voice to simply give his perspective, he deserves to be attacked?
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The Lonious Monk;c-9715273 said:
i've never seen you do a lot of shit but i 'm not going to automatically presume that do or don't do something because it doesn't fit my narrative
you're going to have to just trust me
otherwise i really don't believe i've just been out here defending just any ol bullshit....you disagree ....cool...
and here we go with the 'well he was stating his preferences'....'why is that so wrong"
again the issue isn't with him simply stating his preferences though. at least from what i gathered. as i stated before, looking like lira galore opposed to india arie comes with social benefits and privileges for women. instead of challenging that system of value, he is prioritizing his preferences in it
i don't how else to explain it
you think it's all dumb or whatever ...cool... let's agree to disagree ...if that makes you think less of me ...dope lol
and let me get this straight...
so when a blk woman uses a public platform to criticize blk man she isn't also "attacked", regardless of whether she makes valid points???? lol i've observed this ...it happens...and is there is nothing wrong with it- discussing our grievances and differences.... checking ppl when they need to checked...it can be a learning experience.....lol
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Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715020 said:
Bashing and shaming huh?
You really believe that's what Kendrick was doing too don't you?
Why couldn't his comments have been perceived as constructive criticism?
Are you suggesting that women shouldn't be subject to any criticism at all?
If we're all supposed to be equal.......which would mean that no one is exempt from criticism......then your comments don't reflect that belief because you seem to be implying that women shouldn't be criticized for anything.
In your mind there's doesn't appear to be any difference between criticism and bashing/shaming.
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9715181 said:
Unbelievable.
Well, not really.
The bolded is what you do all the time.
You never outright condemn anything these radical feminists do.
You always have to throw in some caveat or disclaimer to justify their actions.
Basically, all of your "calling out" of radical feminists results in nothing more than saying............."yeah, but"
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