Fans of older Ye over new.. Hate growth in an artist or have a legit argument?

[CJ]

Stop being "eccentric" i.e. a diva...

WTF?!

I respect majority of your posts but when it comes to jay & kanye I always have my WTF face on.

 

[newOldSchool]

The music is tied to the person and he has become a lil spoiled bitch. Back when he was all about making music I enjoyed his music. Now he on some bullshit I don't listen as much.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

The music is tied to the person and he has become a lil spoiled bitch. Back when he was all about making music I enjoyed his music. Now he on some bullshit I don't listen as much.

This nigga posted uP in Hawaii on some hiphop boot camp shit for like three months doing nothing but making tracks flying a who's who list out to work on his last project to ensure it's quality bouncing from room to room making songs simultaneously but yet he ain't "all about making the music" no more .... Lol see this is more of the shit I just don't get...

 

[KNiGHTS]

He can grow all he wants. Just don't fuck up the music a la Lupe Fiasco/Andre 3000/Mos Def. The end.

 

[Mdizzle9000]

[video=youtube;wZApRm5WBFs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZApRm5WBFs[/video]

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[Focal Point]

He made those songs about queensbridge not just because he wanted to do it for his city.... But becuase in reality that was what he was living AT THE TiME .. He WAS the QB the things he saw the mood that he was in the stories he reflected on during that album came from the environment he was in ... It would be hard for him to recapture a moment like that because he doesn't live that lifestyle anymore...

that's the point I'm trying to make, you won't be able to stay in the same vein forever and in order to grow you have to be willing to branch out, some things will work, while others won't, but you push through them growing pains and expand your music through new experiences, desires, and thoughts/feelings which expands your audience

 

[Focal Point]

True Nas was getting more personal but most of his music is speaking for the people

When he got on his other shit niggas was calling him out on it( like I am with kanye)

But with his recent music Nas is speaking for the people... Even the verse about his son on DR.

Niggas could relate

Nas has a chance to make a classic with his new CD. He has a chance to make a Hear My Dear... Can he pull it off is the question

But the question again though is who are the ppl?? Is the ppl strictly black folks from his way or blacks overall which crosses a classism line, does it include poor white folks, is it including suburban youth (a variety of ethnicities), the larger your audience the more well rounded you're forced to become

 

[ocelot]

But the question again though is who are the ppl?? Is the ppl strictly black folks from his way or blacks overall which crosses a classism line, does it include poor white folks, is it including suburban youth (a variety of ethnicities), the larger your audience the more well rounded you're forced to become

The he's making music for everyone who doesn't have a voice... If you listen to Nigger... He said that the word was only used against black people. Now that the rich are getting richer and everyone else is blinded, he thinks that every race has become niggers. I'll post some songs and interviews but I'm one my phone.
Nas has grown as an artists from making music for queens... His story telling... Beef... Making songs about his family... To making songs about people around the world...
He's done all that while not really liking to do songs with niggas

 

[StillFaggyAF]

no, not necessarily.... but it depends on whether the music sounds forced or overproduced

like with MBDTF ye worked so hard to make tracks like runaway ( which took 6 PEOPLE to write. lol) and the blame game sound effortless and heartfelt but runaway sounded contrived and was poorly written ... blame game was too emo for me nothing great about it

all the lights and monster was overproduced, too feature heavy, while ye's verses were meh,.....

devil in a new dress was produced by b!nk and i enjoyed rick ross's verse better than ye's,.....

only thing great about dark fantasy was the production and rza produced that....

the voice effects on lost in this world was overbearing and annoying as hell....

gorgeous was cool, but again with the voice effects was a distraction...hell of a life was meh...

who will survive in america, so apalled and power were ok ...

and there were really no quotable verses to speak of...really no memorable hooks...

still a good effort but def not a great or classic outing from ye

i think you need to listen deeper

 

[S2J]

He was just better.

Not hard to grasp, and if you dont 'get it' i really cant explain it

I mean, if you cant tell the difference from the following song, and his newer stuff (which is still great, btw) ...idk

[video=youtube;EOGsQHl6Fa8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOGsQHl6Fa8[/video]

If me postin that song does not answer your question, than we are parallel in terms of musical taste and aint no point in debatin.

 

[juan travolta]

lol damn this thread still going? give it a rest.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

lol damn this thread still going? give it a rest.

...........................Bump

 

[ocelot]

lol damn this thread still going? give it a rest.

This thread>>>> V Nasty, Rick Ross, Wanye dickriding threads...

 

[StillFaggyAF]

This thread>>>> V Nasty, Rick Ross, Wanye dickriding threads...

real shit bwoy

 

[haute]

Growth? Meh

I guess there's an valid argument on both sides

Frankly kanye is still the same kanye musically

People love/loved kanye because he wasn't a typical rapper

His lyrics were/are emotional

He doesn't talk about guns or drugs, or try to sell some fake godfather story

He told stories about his life, and people could relate to those experiences

Years later ye is still doing that, he's still makes emotionally charged music (in a good way)

He talks about his life as it is, not how others perceive it to be, but because he's no longer experiencing minimum wage jobs and constant set backs, people no longer appreciate his openness

But at least he's still being true to who he is as an artist, and not trying to rehash old experiences album after album

 

[StillDreaming]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I never really liked College Dropout like that. I became a fan when LR dropped(still his best album imo) then he kinda lost me on Graduation. Didn't fuck with 808s at all, MBDTF is beautiful music but slightly below LR. At the end of the day i prefer the Kanye who made Crack Music, We Major, Roses, and Addiction

 

[juan travolta]

graduation was dope. Idk why people keep saying that album is what ever, i had that shit on repeat.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

graduation was dope. Idk why people keep saying that album is what ever, i had that shit on repeat.

the album is dope, but for me its a step below CD, LR, MBDTF

 

[Toothpik]

this is what makes kanye so great...when u ask ppl whats your favorite ye album you will rarely get the same answer..switches on a weekly basis for me....

 

[Kame]

good thread....