Fans of older Ye over new.. Hate growth in an artist or have a legit argument?

[dizzmatic89]

Line makes no sense though. Can't give a nigga props for trying to force a dope line

What do you mean?

 

[desertrain10]

i miss college drop out ye, since lr dropped he kinda fell off .... i just don't get what all the ye hype has been about the last couple of years... none of his shit has blown me away... or made me feel anything or have inspired me like a "We Don't Care" or "Hey Momma"...

far from wack, ye is a great artist but imo these 2,3 albums sound forced...like he's trying too hard to be different instead of allowing his music to evolve organically.... and than lyrically while his metaphors and flow has approved over the years, i'm not feeling the subject matter... its like he forgot what made him so great when he first came out which imo was besides his skills as a producer was his ability to approach a song's subject matter in real yet conscious way

MDBTF for instance was like another poster said overproduced, too feature heavy and the lyrics were meh.... the voice effects were also annoying as hell... not to mention the best beats on the album devil in a new dress and dark fantasy were either produced or co-produced by niggas not named kanye west. lol. so i can't give him credit for neither especially when he failed to do the tracks any justice lyrically....

i get it mainstream hip hop has become stagnant and formalistic and kanye has been going against the grain, but at the same time that doesn't mean he's progressing or everything he does is great.... imo one of the most complete, progressive hip hop albums of the last 2 years is mos def's ecstatic... its experimental and progressive without being too left-field and isolating unlike ye's last two solo albums and ecstatic's subject matter/lyrics are on point... and i like what rappers like phonte is doing with the foreign exchange ...

but to each his own i guess *shrugs*

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Ecstatic was WAY more leftfield than MBDTF

 

[desertrain10]

Ecstatic was WAY more leftfield than MBDTF

no, maybe you could say MBDTF was alittle more radio friendly because of all of the features and songs like "all of the lights" and "monster"

but if you been a mos def fan from the start, ecstatic wasn't a surprise or too much of a departure from the rapper you grew to love and relate too.
... it was a great hip hop album yet progressive at the same time ... plus mos was spitting on every track

these last two albums ye has become a different artist, one who that i don't know if i like as much ... when i first heard 808s i thought i couldn't believe my ears and don't get me started on "runaway". lol

 

[StillFaggyAF]

no, maybe you could say MBDTF was alittle more radio friendly because of all of the features and songs like "all of the lights" and "monster"

but if you been a mos def fan from the start, ecstatic wasn't a surprise or too much of a departure from the rapper you grew to love and relate too.
... it was a great hip hop album yet progressive at the same time ... plus mos was spitting on every track

these last two albums ye has become a different artist, one who that i don't know if i like as much ... when i first heard 808s i thought i couldn't believe my ears and don't get me started on "runaway". lol

so was MBDTF

plus i thought 808s was clearly supposed to be a departure from his earlier work. And if you heard and liked the G.O.O.D. Friday joints, MBDTF was not surprising at all

 

[desertrain10]

so was MBDTF

plus i thought 808s was clearly supposed to be a departure from his earlier work. And if you heard and liked the G.O.O.D. Friday joints, MBDTF was not surprising at all

MBDTF was good but not great bruh...maybe 3-4 tracks were great but the rest were meh... but again to each his own

and compared to mike's off the wall, stevie wonders keys in the song of life, jay's blue print or big's ready to die it was def not this groundbreaking master piece or classic album ....neither was ecsatic but the hype around MBDTF would make one believe it was flawless
and ye was spazzing on every track

i dunno to me all ye's albums post LR have been a departure from the college drop out ye imo... 808s being the biggest and worst album of his career...just listen to "through the fire" and then put on "runaway" shit is almost night and day

 

[Toothpik]

can't see how MBDTF is not considered a classic, or atleast a great album...blame game, dark fantasy, all of the lights are 3 of kanye's greatest songs...top 10 songs of his...hell of a life, monster, so appalled, lost in the world, gorgeous, DIAND, runaway...the whole album is awesome...musically sounds better than just about any hip hop album ever....lmaooo at ye not showing musical growth...imo ye has shown more growth than just about any rapper

 

[CirocObama]

MBDTF was good but not great bruh...maybe 3-4 tracks were great but the rest were meh... but again to each his own

and compared to mike's off the wall, stevie wonders keys in the song of life, jay's blue print or big's ready to die it was def not this groundbreaking master piece or classic album ....neither was ecsatic but the hype around MBDTF would make one believe it was flawless
and ye was spazzing on every track

i dunno to me all ye's albums post LR have been a departure from the college drop out ye imo... 808s being the biggest and worst album of his career...just listen to "through the fire" and then put on "runaway" shit is almost night and day

lol at throwing in Blueprint in there that shit was far from groundbreaking. The beats was what gave the album acclaim and thats thanks to Kanye. You should've at least named a real groundbreaking album, shit even Reasonable Doubt can be considered a groundbreaking album. Nothing groundbreaking at all about The Blueprint and honestly not even the beats. Niggas had been doing Kanye's style before (Ie. RZA) so nothing groundbreaking, good album but groundbreaking or classic? Hell naw. Only reason why niggaas say that is cuz it sold, the Nas beef and the Takeover song..thats it.

but as far as your opinion maybe you just got tired of Kanye once he got more popular which is a norm in hip-hop. His 2nd album was just as dope as his first 1 but since he was popular and didn't have that new factor, had higher expectations and was everywhere at the time you wasn't feeling it.

 

[desertrain10]

lol at throwing in Blueprint in there that shit was far from groundbreaking. The beats was what gave the album acclaim and thats thanks to Kanye. You should've at least named a real groundbreaking album, shit even Reasonable Doubt can be considered a groundbreaking album. Nothing groundbreaking at all about The Blueprint and honestly not even the beats. Niggas had been doing Kanye's style before (Ie. RZA) so nothing groundbreaking, good album but groundbreaking or classic? Hell naw. Only reason why niggaas say that is cuz it sold, the Nas beef and the Takeover song..thats it.

but as far as your opinion maybe you just got tired of Kanye once he got more popular which is a norm in hip-hop. His 2nd album was just as dope as his first 1 but since he was popular and didn't have that new factor, had higher expectations and was everywhere at the time you wasn't feeling it.

but what about the other albums i named? lol. not saying they were all groundbreaking but niggas on the IC talk as if MBDTF is the second coming of thriller or some shit...

i like lr better than college drop out so its not the newness factor. and its not hate..ye music just changed. and like many others outside the media and net, i'm not feeling the new direction he's taken.

really the music scene has become so commercialized and void of originality that people and media are ready to herald above average or good albums as classic just because of a few stand out tracks or because its different than whats out at the moment... instead of critiquing the album as a whole... lyrics, production, flow of album, content, replay value, etc... the same people in the media calling MDBTF were the same ones calling carter 3 a classic. lol

 

[juan travolta]

how can something that hasn't even been out that long be considered a classic.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

how can something that hasn't even been out that long be considered a classic.

Wasn't Illmatic an instant classic? Or the The Chronic/ Doggystle?

 

[desertrain10]

how can something that hasn't even been out that long be considered a classic.

right.... and i know music is subjective but no body can tell me what was so great about 808s, Graduation or MBDTF? lol. i could write a 30 page dissertations on the greatness that is michael jackson's off the wall or nas's illmatic

 

[StillFaggyAF]

right.... and i know music is subjective but no body can tell me what was so great about 808s, Graduation or MBDTF? lol. i could write a 30 page dissertations on the greatness that is michael jackson's off the wall or nas's illmatic

i could write a dissertation on 808s and MBDTF

 

[juan travolta]

Wasn't Illmatic an instant classic? Or the The Chronic/ Doggystle?

maybe chronic. But i've heard illmatic wasn't even popping like that in the 90's idk i was born in 91 so i really can't comment on that.

IMO though i think it takes time for music to become classic that's just me though.

 

[desertrain10]

Write a dissertation on why illmatic is a classic I can dispute and destroy every point u make

Illmatic is garbage ,it has 4 good songs and extremely outdated production

It did not run shit in 94 and is the most overrated album in rap history Mbdtf>>>>>Illmatic

the media propaganda have forced the sheep/revisionists to think illmatic is good when its not ,9 tracks and 4 good ones is a sub bar album

instead why don't you tell me what makes Mbdtf >>>>Illmatic. and than i will dispute and destroy every point u make...lol

Life’s A Bitch

N.Y. State of Mind

The World is Yours

Represent

It Ain't Hard to Tell....these songs alone>>>> MBDTF

lyrically illmatic trumps everything in ye's catalog

 

[desertrain10]

i could write a dissertation on 808s and MBDTF

ok, do a track by track review of MBDTF

 

[blackrain]

Ask yourself this question, are you the same person or int he same position that you were 7 years ago when College Dropout dropped? More than likely not, then multiply your circumstances now times millions of dollars, traveling the world, seeing everything,etc and i guarantee you would see where dudes like Kanye come from in talking about new shit. Nothing wrong with growing and rapping about true life experiences.

In most fans minds, rappers should never change...ever...they should be the same artist they were when they came into the game...I mean look at a nigga like Busta Rhymes who just refuses to grow the fuck up....you can age as a rapper and put it into your music...rappers have done it and keep doing it..but fans seem to want rappers to try and stay 25 forever

 

[huey]

you always gonna love the shit that first made you fall in love with someone, same shit with music...hell anything really, nostalgia is always great

 

[garv]

]but what about the other albums i named? lol. not saying they were all groundbreaking but niggas on the IC talk as if MBDTF is the second coming of thriller or some shit... [/B]

i like lr better than college drop out so its not the newness factor. and its not hate..ye music just changed. and like many others outside the media and net, i'm not feeling the new direction he's taken.

really the music scene has become so commercialized and void of originality that people and media are ready to herald above average or good albums as classic just because of a few stand out tracks or because its different than whats out at the moment... instead of critiquing the album as a whole... lyrics, production, flow of album, content, replay value, etc... the same people in the media calling MDBTF were the same ones calling carter 3 a classic. lol

Real talk what was so progressive about the album?

I really don't see it, it sounds like a typical Kanye album with pop influences ii.e like Graduation.

Saying that i don't think College Dropout or Late Registration were that much better, but thats just me i don't really rate Kanye as much as some others do.

 

[ocelot]

I co-sign everything deserttrain said... From the Carter 3 reference to the Mos Def reference

Yall make it look like we are the typical haters that want a College Dropout2 or something... It's not that
We just want kanye to be the best that he can be... MBDTF would probably be a 2011 classic if Big Sean or J.Cole was to make it...
But for Kanye it was ok