Euro-Jay & the Pharaoh Nas .....Follow me

[usmarin3]

How is Jay-Z more consistent? Sure Nas spit mafioso raps in 96/97, But in 96/97 he also dropped tracks like Black Girl Lost, and If I Ruled The World as a single! but same can be said for Jay-Z since you put it that way, he went from a cocaine dealer on RD to some 'mature' business man on KC to a heroin boss on American Gangster.

What is this pandering you speak of though?

Consistent in who he was, he never pretended to be something who he wasn't or was tryna find his character. You don't find it weird how Nas can make a song called BLACK GIRLS LOST and then make a song call YOU OWE ME. There is a difference between being a hypocrite and naturally growing as a person, if Jay was to make a song called DON'T DO DRUGS and then make a song called 30 a Kilo.

Jay-z has never preached against something or condem it, that's the difference. Nas seem pretty confused as hell alot of times.

Pandering = telling people what they want to hear, or in his case the black plight.

 

[usmarin3]

how you tel a jay groupie to wake up? Dude worships Jay. Otherwise DOPE Post son.

Here you go with you silly ass groupie comments, i knew you would be in here. Your'e one of those main victim mentality people i am talking about, fall for the bs niggas like Mos Def feed ya'll while this nigga is fucking white bitches, strippers,etc.

 

[Mumo X]

I understand the struggle is a part of our history, but it shouldn't define us and there is nothing wrong with wanting more. Wanting more is not selling out, and i'm kind of sick of niggas feeling the need to read off a book about what black folks went through. That was slavery and past, lets talk about the future and putting our kids in a better position to win, where they can be ambitious without being called a sellout or acting white. Slavery does not define me and neither does your narrow small minded definition of being black, not every black person come from struggle or choose to embrace it. You can continue to feel sorry for your self or do something about it.

something like what? Shittin on hiphop (a black culture) like Oprah does to appease the white masses? Something like what? Blackballin your black business partner and joining the jews like Jay Z? Something like what? Snitchn on da Inc,Row like 50 and praisin eminem so as to get into Republicans good books? Stfu, NNAMDI ASOMUGHA Wil Intercept all of that Bum Romo's passes

 

[supersajinfo]

I understand the struggle is a part of our history, but it shouldn't define us and there is nothing wrong with wanting more. Wanting more is not selling out, and i'm kind of sick of niggas feeling the need to read off a book about what black folks went through. That was slavery and past, lets talk about the future and putting our kids in a better position to win, where they can be ambitious without being called a sellout or acting white. Slavery does not define me and neither does your narrow small minded definition of being black, not every black person come from struggle or choose to embrace it. You can continue to feel sorry for your self or do something about it.

Where did I say about wanting more is selling out .I dont feel sorry myself I choose to know more about my heritage solely because that is needed .I know all about the heritage of the white people but they only chart my history back to some fucking ships on the trans atlantic passage.Our children need to know our history white children,chinese children,arab children they all know theirs ours should too.How can I know my future if I dont know my past.You can say what you want but we all know history repeats itself when folks bend or forget the past history .

 

[DMTxTHC]

Consistent in who he was, he never pretended to be something who he wasn't or was tryna find his character. You don't find it weird how Nas can make a song called BLACK GIRLS LOST and then make a song call YOU OWE ME. There is a difference between being a hypocrite and naturally growing as a person, if Jay was to make a song called DON'T DO DRUGS and then make a song called 30 a Kilo.

Jay-z has never preached against something or condem it, that's the difference. Nas seem pretty confused as hell alot of times.

Pandering = telling people what they want to hear, or in his case the black plight.

I remember Jay touching on that on Blueprint 2...Black Girl Lost is about Black women not knowing their true worth, You Owe Me is just a partying song, so no i don't find it weird. What makes you think Nas never grown as a person though? So because Jay never went against drug-dealing then that makes it ok? especially when compared to the You Owe Me/Black Girl Lost example?.

If Nas told people what they want to hear, i don't think we would be having this conversation, in fact, for the longest Nas been telling people what they rather not hear. That's why albums like HHID and Nigger were labeled gimmicks, as a Hip-Hop head, what would make that person label HHID as a gimmick? as a Black man, what would make that person label Nigger as a gimmick?

 

[Mumo X]

Here you go with you silly ass groupie comments, i knew you would be in here. Your'e one of those main victim mentality people i am talking about, fall for the bs niggas like Mos Def feed ya'll while this nigga is fucking white bitches, strippers,etc.

Im PRO BLACK POWER, but at the same time im aware they are ignorant black people who are dumb,deaf and blind. Jus cuz u black dont mean u safe. Whats wrong wit a brother wifin a conscious biracial woman or like Chappelle marryin a fillipino? I met white women who be everythn Rasta, and embrace the African culture more than black women like kerry washington and halle berry. Id wife those than the latter two.

 

[H-Rap 180]

The thing with Jay is, the niggas first singles are literally about flossing and coming up, he has always been on that ambitious shit. His first three songs are IN MY LIFETIME, IN MY LIFETIME REMIX, and DEAD PRESIDENTS, dude hasn't changed on bit since coming in the game. For some reason though, people seem to be UNCOMFORTABLE with his success, even though he has been more consistent than Nas when it comes to character. Nas went from a street poet on Illmatic, to mafioso on It was written, to some black panter/Pac dude on Godson.

I think the reason why Nas gets a pass is because he panders to niggas, is more identifiable to these dudes than Jay. I really think Jay-z ego and winners mentality rub some of these niggas wrong.

Master P. amassed a fortune in HipHop and his success with his label and business endeavors rivaled Jay'S at his peek yet no one ever labeled him a house-Negro.

Baby Birdman may be ghoulish but he's never embraced Europepn culture or chosen to call himself Euro-Stunna.

Ice Cube has had success in HipHop and HollyWood and he seems to have maintained some cultural identity, I never here people say kisses the buttocks of Europeons.

......so Im baffled as to why JayZ would be labeled as such.

 

[usmarin3]

something like what? Shittin on hiphop (a black culture) like Oprah does to appease the white masses? Something like what? Blackballin your black business partner and joining the jews like Jay Z? Something like what? Snitchn on da Inc,Row like 50 and praisin eminem so as to get into Republicans good books? Stfu, NNAMDI ASOMUGHA Wil Intercept all of that Bum Romo's passes

Lets look at a few facts here dude

1. Jay-z excutive produced Lupe Fiasco album when he didn't have to

2. He gave Kanye and Just Blaze their shot (where they were ghost producing)

3. He created Roc Nation and employs nothing but black execs and mostly black artist

4. Signed two artist in J Cole and Jay Electronica, two non commercial sounding rappers.

5. He married a black woman

6. He donates money to Sean Bells family, Katrina victimes, Water for Africa, etc. Not run his mouth about it and not do shit like "some people".

6. The same business partner (the one who is friends with Mick Jaggers white daughter), chose sides with Camron and even appeared on a dis record from Camron.No one blackballed Dame Dash, his loud ass mouth and speaking to people in higher positions of power black balled Dame.

But you're definition of blackness might be different that mine.

 

[Mumo X]

your just the same dumb nigger as the rest of them

the white man is just too polite to give you niggers rights.

Uncle Tom i wont waste no time debatin with your ignorant massah worshippin.

 

[supersajinfo]

Master P. amassed a fortune in HipHop and his success with his label and business endeavors rivaled Jay'S at his peek yet no one ever labeled him a house-Negro.

Baby Birdman may be ghoulish but he's never embraced Europepn culture or chosen to call himself Euro-Stunna.

Ice Cube has had success in HipHop and HollyWood and he seems to have maintained some cultural identity, I never here people say kisses the buttocks of Europeons.

Hell Master P had an idea for a better black tv channel after the whites bought BET and completely ran it to the ground .What we gotta start doing is taking our sense and turning it into cents .We need to start coming together and making some money and doing it without sacrificing our principles and our image

 

[Uncle Ruckus.]

Uncle Tom i wont waste no time debatin with your ignorant massah worshippin.

Niggers can't debate, damn orangutan.

So take yo black ass back off the computer and go sell drugs negro.

 

[usmarin3]

Master P. amassed a fortune in HipHop and his success with his label and business endeavors rivaled Jay'S at his peek yet no one ever labeled him a house-Negro.

Baby Birdman may be ghoulish but he's never embraced Europepn culture or chosen to call himself Euro-Stunna.

Ice Cube has had success in HipHop and HollyWood and he seems to have maintained some cultural identity, I never here people say kisses the buttocks of Europeons.

......so Im baffled as to why JayZ would be labeled as such.

Master P never reached the sustained longevity of Jay and lets be real, P is country as drinking out of a pickle jar. Lets not act like niggas wasn't clowning dude for his clean cut turn around and that Better Black TV shit, people just dismissed his ass and his clean raps.

The reason why P doesn't get what Jay gets is because he isn't relevant anymore, musically or financially (allegedly).

The reason why Birdman doesn't get shit is because he is ignorant, 40 plus year old carrying himself like he is twenty. Jay-z acts his damn age and like a married man, of course these dumb niggas aren't gonna relate to that.

Ice Cube gets called a sellout all the damn time, he even addressed it on his Behind the Music.

 

[-Vincenzo-]

How we would be better off, Nas fam ain't dysfunctional, he has two children who he takes care off and who lives with him. Jay is a bootlicking Uncle Tom, who has sold out many of his peoples to make it to the top, he has admirable qualities as well but his pandering to the white man overrules them.

I would rather Nas promote consuming weed than Jay-Z promote selling cocaine.

last time i checked his kids lived with their mothers and moreover bein a good father means bein a father 365 days a year not every second weekend low standards havin nigga. how is jay-z an uncle tom? because he doesnt promote smokin weed, has no tattoos, kids born out of wedlock or never went to jail? does that make you an uncle tom for you? if thats the case i'm tryin to be the biggest uncle tom you ever saw.

did you just say bob marley was was only pro black in talkin

gtfoh

you're a misguided fool...

have you ever taken a bullet for a cause?

gtfoh...

that nigga had like 11 kids (exact number is not known) with who knows how many women. i do love his music but he in real life he was a failure even rita marley said he was a dead beat dad. if there is one thing black people dont need it's dead beat dads, i rather see niggas workin 9-5 jobs without funky rasta hairstyle and singin nice songs about freedom takin care of their fam instead of that ignorance.

niggas will hate on me for speakin like that on a legend but if there is one thing i'm known for on this board it is that i call a spade a spade and when it comes to his family bob marley was exactly that. but for now->god bless the dead

are u mixed?

Are you mixed??

There is no Pro-Africa there is only cultural awareness of your heritage and the pride that comes with knowing who you are and from where you came from.

There is no Pro-Black there is only group-consciousness for the overall advancement for the group that you belong to.

Im sure "American Gangster" wasn't ignorant in your opinion and that it incorporated all the wholesome family values that a rapper should personify.

I am half ghanaian if that's what you talkin bout. I got an Asante name and been to africa and even happen to speak our Twi language somewhat so now let's talk about africa and what you know about it nigga.

btw funny thing about frank lucas the original american gangster is that he always put very high importance on family values. he sure didnt have 11 kids by 18 baby mommas or some coon shit like that. american gangster was as ignorant as the godfather or any other movie depictin a criminal lifestyle.

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

Well damn, I read the whole thread and I must give props to h rap and black power coalition. No Sarcasm.

 

[rip.dilla]

Compare BP1 With BP3 then get back to me.

^^^ Slept on

 

[RayLY]

I read the whole thread and I just can't believe amount of racism in it, from black people to white and from white to black.

I see most of you don't know shit about Africa and even more don't know shit about Europe.

What's wrong with Europe in the first place? You going to tell me people from Africa didn't enslave white people?

Damn you don't even know your basic history so how can one expect you to know 20th century history and all the struggle that white people went through.

You are so enslaved by ideologies, open your mind people. What the fuck every black man should have an African name? I laughed so loud at that that it isn't even funny, do you know that there are black people whose ancesters live let's say in Holland for dozens of centuries? So what does their heritage have to do with Africa?

With that logic should I to have an African name because Lucy and Ardi are from Africa (white slavic man)?

 

[Focal Point]

shout out to Ron Artest for his realness in giving back

 

[Focal Point]

damn I guess ppl can't like Europe... I guess partying in Europe says more about you then doing charitable work in Africa

 

[Focal Point]

I don't think Nas attends those parties like the ones you mentioned...and yes you got one point right Jay likes to talk about/show his more..for the favor of his European/Caucasian friends to be accepted.

you do know bragging isn't just a white thing and is very popular in the black community

 

[Brova]

LOL at this thread, prove what i've been saying for a while. A lot of black people just love being pandered to, it's like niggas just embrace the struggle like it's a badge of honor to wear then as soon as someone work themselves up you get the sell out accusations.

Some of ya'll truly have slave like minds, forever having that victim mentality.

I knew it was only a matter of time before the son Jay never had came in here to defend him

SMH at this Uncle Tom