Duncan>>>>>Kobe

[NothingButTheTruth]

so kobe better than russel too? Smh!

How can someone who has been a sidekick before be in the GOAT conversation?

Kobe wasn't a sidekick to Shaq. Shaq was just more of a standout in his position. Kobe was in the era with Iverson, Mcgrady, Pierce, Carter, Marbury, Kidd etc. The guards were heavy during that era. Shaq didn't really have anyone to compete with.

Also, let's look at Shaq's field goal percentage: 58.2% at an average of 24ppg. Name me a guard who shoots remotely close to that percentage, and averages over 20ppg ... That's right, NONE of them come close.

So now that we see Shaq is way more efficient than any guard in NBA history percentage-wise, why would you go through your backcourt when you have one of the most (if not the most) efficient scorer(s) of all-time on your team? That doesn't make sense from a coaching stand-point.

Also, let's be real. If Jordan and Shaq were on the same team, they would have also ran an inside-out approach, the same way they did with Kobe.. and this goes for any dominate guard on a team with (prime) Shaq. Especially if Phil remains the coach.

Yes, how are you a sidekick when you dropping between 22 - 30 ppg. Kobe and Shaq was an equal part to those Laker teams and Shaq ego wouldnt allow him to share the spotlight

Cosign.

 

[Mumo X]

No he don't. Bill Russell an all time great and deserve to get be recognized, but get real... Ain't no way he fuckin with any of those players. Ever.

if it wuznt for MJ then Russel woulda bn the GOAT. 11 rings and he always outplayed wilt who is one of the greatest centres the game has seen.

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

Every time you guys lose a discussion you bring another player into the mix. Bottom line is Kobe's impact>>>Duncan's impact

 

[northside7]

Every time you guys loose a discussion you bring another player into the mix. Bottom line is Kobe's impact>>>Duncan's impact

/thread..........

 

[greenwood1921]

Wow. A Kobe Israel/Palestinian thread that made it to 6 pages????????

Well....

 

[Mumo X]

Kobe wasn't a sidekick to Shaq. Shaq was just more of a standout in his position. Kobe was in the era with Iverson, Mcgrady, Pierce, Carter, Marbury, Kidd etc. The guards were heavy during that era. Shaq didn't really have anyone to compete with.

Also, let's look at Shaq's field goal percentage: 58.2% at an average of 24ppg. Name me a guard who shoots remotely close to that percentage, and averages over 20ppg ... That's right, NONE of them come close.

So now that we see Shaq is way more efficient than any guard in NBA history percentage-wise, why would you go through your backcourt when you have one of the most (if not the most) efficient scorer(s) of all-time on your team? That doesn't make sense from a coaching stand-point.

Also, let's be real. If Jordan and Shaq were on the same team, they would have also ran an inside-out approach, the same way they did with Kobe.. and this goes for any dominate guard on a team with (prime) Shaq. Especially if Phil remains the coach.

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here's the thing. Jordan won 6 ships without an elite big while kobe has won 5 ships wit 3 elite bigs. Im out

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

here's the thing. Jordan won 6 ships without an elite big while kobe has won 5 ships wit 3 elite bigs. Im out

He the exception to the rule

 

[Knightryder]

niggaz gotta remember that if it wasn't for the maturation of kobe bryant and the leadership of phil jackson

shaq wouldn't be looked as so dominant, niggaz will still be looking at him as that talented guy that just couldn't lead his team over the hump..... from 94-99

 

[htowntx]

he always outplayed wilt who is one of the greatest centres the game has seen.

Quite possibly the dumbest shit u have ever said

 

[Knightryder]

here's the thing. Jordan won 6 ships without an elite big while kobe has won 5 ships wit 3 elite bigs. Im out

whos the 3rd elite big andrew bynum.....lol.......

and gasol, is nice but i dont like how niggaz overrate him as if he was tim duncan status when he was playing for memphis.....

it wasn't until he came to the lakers and played with a superstar such as kobe, that niggaz start looking at gasol and start overrating the nigga as if he is D-wight howard/tim duncan/kevin garnett status......... as if u team gasol up with any other player in the league such as d-wade, or lebron james or vince carter or allen iverson that they also would win championships....

shaq is the only elite big, kobe played with, and lets be serious, for a second
Shaq wasn't winning any championships with penny, or eddie jones who were better than kobe bryant, during those times (kobe was a rookie)

 

[Chi-Town Bully]

whos the 3rd elite big andrew bynum.....lol.......

and gasol, is nice but i dont like how niggaz overrate him as if he was tim duncan status when he was playing for memphis.....

it wasn't until he came to the lakers and played with a superstar such as kobe, that niggaz start looking at gasol and start overrating the nigga as if he is D-wight howard/tim duncan/kevin garnett status......... as if u team gasol up with any other player in the league such as d-wade, or lebron james or vince carter or allen iverson that they also would win championships....

shaq is the only elite big, kobe played with, and lets be serious, for a second
Shaq wasn't winning any championships with penny, or eddie jones who were better than kobe bryant, during those times (kobe was a rookie)

I wanna see they comeback for the bolded

 

[b*braze]

here's the thing. Jordan won 6 ships without an elite big while kobe has won 5 ships wit 3 elite bigs. Im out

nigga practicin that fuzzy math lmao

 

[major pain]

Quite possibly the dumbest shit u have ever said

hahahaha that nigga just be saying shit...

Chamberlain vs Russell head to head (142 games)

Chamberlain 28.7 pts 28.7 rbs
Russell 14.5 pts 23.7 rbs

 

[FlyFreeCt]

Yo ya'll bitch ass niggas disgust me b.....ya'll find any kinda reason to hate on Kobe, sound like ya'll niggas be catching feelings everytime ya'll hear his name mentioned like he fucked ya'll bitch or somethin smh...Kobe>>>Duncan FOH with that Shaq argument bullshit..Shaq was the most dominant fuckin center in league history in his prime, which means he's gonna be the number 1 option on any team (yea that includes if he was on a team with michael jordan)..if you disagree then you don't know shit about basketball..Duncan is without a doubt, at least a top 2 player at his position all time, but comparing him to Kobe is beyond fuckin stupid...Ya'll niggas act like he didn't have nice squads..Manu Ginobili has been one of the most productive players in the league for a while, especially in the playoffs..and Tony Parker has to be the most underrated point guard in the fuckin NBA, and I cant understand why(didn't he get a finals mvp to????)...Stop hatin on Kobe and give credit where its due, fuckin haters smh...

 

[htowntx]

hahahaha that nigga just be saying shit...

Chamberlain vs Russell head to head (142 games)

Chamberlain 28.7 pts 28.7 rbs
Russell 14.5 pts 23.7 rbs

ROFL that nigga said it with conviction too.....like it was a well known fact or something

 

[Jr523]

Yo ya'll bitch ass niggas disgust me b.....ya'll find any kinda reason to hate on Kobe, sound like ya'll niggas be catching feelings everytime ya'll hear his name mentioned like he fucked ya'll bitch or somethin smh...Kobe>>>Duncan FOH with that Shaq argument bullshit..Shaq was the most dominant fuckin center in league history in his prime, which means he's gonna be the number 1 option on any team (yea that includes if he was on a team with michael jordan)..if you disagree then you don't know shit about basketball..Duncan is without a doubt, at least a top 2 player at his position all time, but comparing him to Kobe is beyond fuckin stupid...Ya'll niggas act like he didn't have nice squads..Manu Ginobili has been one of the most productive players in the league for a while, especially in the playoffs..and Tony Parker has to be the most underrated point guard in the fuckin NBA, and I cant understand why(didn't he get a finals mvp to????)...Stop hatin on Kobe and give credit where its due, fuckin haters smh...

Who's hating?? I just think that Duncan's impact is superior to Kobe's. I dont care who the big man is, a Michael Jordan led team wouldl NEVER be ran through another player.

 

[nycest_1]

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I wanna see they comeback for the bolded

the also didnt have glenn rice mitch richmond or ron harper on the bench
with penny the 3rd best player was nick anderson
witch eddie jones it was nick van exel
trust me the bench for those laker teams were waaayyyyyyyyy better than any orlando team.

the main point no one is this thread has acknowledged is the development of both players and the reasons why they were able to do what they did on arrival

timmy played 4 years of college ball and came in ready for the spotlight and developed right away.

point blank, timmy has never played a pro season of losing basketball.

the names people are throwing out for timmy were able to develop and become great pros because timmy came in the league ready and made such an impact from the jump

kobe on the flipside of things came out of HS, he had to sit on the pine and was allowed to fuck up because there was an mvp caliber player on his team.

kobe on the lakers was similar to tony parker with timmy.

both allowed to fuck up and learn how to dominate their positions because they had no pressure to carry a team early on.

the whole point of all the shit i just posted above was to show that in their careers, one player, timmy has had more impact years and was set to be the cornerstone of his franchise where players were placed around him

kobe was placed around oneal early on and at this point in his career he has grown into the role of a cornerstone player.
lets not all pretend that it wasnt a few mere seasons ago that the lakers had kobe on the trade block, and if it wasnt for shitty bulls gms holding on to deng, kobe woulda been a bull.
I can't remember a moment in timmy's career where the franchise thought of trading him.

when both were rookies, straight up till their prime, timmy was much better than kobe and stats back it up.

past prime kobes position and game have evolved to where hes better past prime statistically.

BUT as any basketball fan with knowledge would know; THIS YEAR, IF KOBE BECOMES THE FOCAL POINT OF THE OFFENSE AND HIS SHOTS TAKEN GOES UP. THE LAKERS LOSE they are much better when he facilitates and makes his teammates more active.

on the flipside, when the spurs need stability and crunch time buckets, they do go to timmy in the post and slow things up.

not saying which is better, but the records past prime show the argument shouldnt be as ridiculous as people claim

 

[Sovo_Nah]

5 rings >>>> 4 rings

 

[Jr523]

the also didnt have glenn rice mitch richmond or ron harper on the bench

with penny the 3rd best player was nick anderson

witch eddie jones it was nick van exel

trust me the bench for those laker teams were waaayyyyyyyyy better than any orlando team.

the main point no one is this thread has acknowledged is the development of both players and the reasons why they were able to do what they did on arrival

timmy played 4 years of college ball and came in ready for the spotlight and developed right away.

point blank, timmy has never played a pro season of losing basketball.

the names people are throwing out for timmy were able to develop and become great pros because timmy came in the league ready and made such an impact from the jump

kobe on the flipside of things came out of HS, he had to sit on the pine and was allowed to fuck up because there was an mvp caliber player on his team.

kobe on the lakers was similar to tony parker with timmy.

both allowed to fuck up and learn how to dominate their positions because they had no pressure to carry a team early on.

the whole point of all the shit i just posted above was to show that in their careers, one player, timmy has had more impact years and was set to be the cornerstone of his franchise where players were placed around him

kobe was placed around oneal early on and at this point in his career he has grown into the role of a cornerstone player.

lets not all pretend that it wasnt a few mere seasons ago that the lakers had kobe on the trade block, and if it wasnt for shitty bulls gms holding on to deng, kobe woulda been a bull.

I can't remember a moment in timmy's career where the franchise thought of trading him.

when both were rookies, straight up till their prime, timmy was much better than kobe and stats back it up.

past prime kobes position and game have evolved to where hes better past prime statistically.

BUT as any basketball fan with knowledge would know; THIS YEAR, IF KOBE BECOMES THE FOCAL POINT OF THE OFFENSE AND HIS SHOTS TAKEN GOES UP. THE LAKERS LOSE they are much better when he facilitates and makes his teammates more active.

on the flipside, when the spurs need stability and crunch time buckets, they do go to timmy in the post and slow things up.

not saying which is better, but the records past prime show the argument shouldnt be as ridiculous as people claim

Finally, a nigga wit some damn sense..

 

[Jr523]

5 rings >>>> 4 rings

2 mvps>>>1 mvps 3 finals mvps>2 finals mvps.

Dont in wit that rings bullshit.