Dr. Umar Johnson at The Breakfast Club

[zzombie]

@ConsciousStripper what is your other screenname

 

[usmarin3]

The shit about the celebrities is maybe they don't agree with all his views. Can you imagine Beyonce donating money to this dudes cause when a large percentage of her fanbase is homosexuals. Can you imagine Puff and Jay donating to a nigga cause when a large chunk of their income comes from selling to white young adults with their products.

Look at what they did to Arsenio for Farrakhan. What makes you think they wouldn't lynch these celebrities for aligning with a nigga who does think gays are born that way.

 

[D0wn]

my only problem with Umar is , in regards to the school, why didn't he start off small???

imo, had Umar started off small, he would be further then where he is at now in regard to the school. cause he'd have a track record that ppl can evaluate; such as, his ability to run a school, manage funds, and how the kids performed.. PPl are more willing to donate, when u give them something tangible they can donate to.

Also , i find it hard to believe that an athlete pulled back his donations because, of Umar's scandal with the conscious stripper. Athletes have a culture of tricking off salaries at strip clubs. yet said athlete, pull out in supporting a cause he initially believed in, because Umar was fucking a stripper, for free??? Umar wasn't even tricking. so it wasn't like he couldn't trust Umar with the money.

Also a million dollar donation in something that's still a idea, sounds unbelievable...especially when said athlete had no direct contact with umar, but he was gonna donate a million dollars....

 

[jono]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.

3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

 

[zzombie]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.



3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

The bold contradict #2 and 3 because once you admit that boys and girls learn differently even when put in the same school environment that you admit no one wants to be in then isn't it logical to assume that there very well could be genetic/hormonal differences that account for the gap in educational attainment between boys and girls.

The teachers run the system because teachers cannot be fired or at least it's not easy to fire them also their union is no fucking joke. So while on paper the principals run the school and do administer it, the teachers do in essence run the "system".

AND MOST drug dealers are not under age i don't know where you got that from most criminals period are 18 and over.

 

[AP21]

jono..i dont have the time for a proper rebuttal, but you are off base on no. 2 and 3

 

[jono]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.



3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

The bold contradict #2 and 3 because once you admit that boys and girls learn differently even when put in the same school environment that you admit no one wants to be in then isn't it logical to assume that there very well could be genetic/hormonal differences that account for the gap in educational attainment between boys and girls.

Its actually illogical to assume something without proper citation. Im not going back and forth on this shit. Proof nigga...proof.

Theres been a noticeable difference in educational attainment for 30 years and no physical science is behind that statement. Social science? Maybe.

The teachers run the system because teachers cannot be fired or at least it's not easy to fire them also their union is no fucking joke. So while on paper the principals run the school and do administer it, the teachers do in essence run the "system".

Teachers unions have nothing to do with this. All teachers are just employees the principal hired. There are more male principals so they set agendas, funding all thw executive shit not a teacher.

AND MOST drug dealers are not under age i don't know where you got that from most criminals period are 18 and over.

Bullshit. Most people age out of crime before they turn 24 many start as young as 14. I know what im talking about.

 

[jono]

jono..i dont have the time for a proper rebuttal, but you are off base on no. 2 and 3

Well you can produce the science behind it at your own leisure.

 

[zzombie]

All umar is saying as it relates to boys and girls is that the current educational system treats boys like misbehaving little girls and ignores the clear behavioral difference between them.

 

[D0wn]

The shit about the celebrities is maybe they don't agree with all his views. Can you imagine Beyonce donating money to this dudes cause when a large percentage of her fanbase is homosexuals. Can you imagine Puff and Jay donating to a nigga cause when a large chunk of their income comes from selling to white young adults with their products.

Look at what they did to Arsenio for Farrakhan. What makes you think they wouldn't lynch these celebrities for aligning with a nigga who does think gays are born that way.

the belief that, wht folks punish blk celebs because they're radicals, or associated with radicals is bull shit.

LGBT are only 3.2 percent of the united states population... there's a little over 9 million gay ppl in this country out 0f 310,000,000 ppl.

BEyonce has way more blk fans than gay fans.

wht young adults are the most un-socially aware demographic in the country, especially when it comes to blk culture, they know about it, but they don't follow it.

when 2Pac was making songs like Holler if Your me, who was buying his albums? when Ice Cube was making songs like cave bitch who was buying his albums?

Was'nt dick Gregory in kevin durant's commercial?

isn't Ice Cube still a successful independent business man?

aren't J.Cole and Kendrick currently the 2 of the biggest acts in hiphop, and are out selling, niggas making monkey music?

blk celebrities don't support the blk community because, they don't want to.. blk celebrities don't speak out because they don't want too.

the breakfast club has had Farrahkhan, Boyce Watkins twice, now Umar Johnson all in the time span of 3 months... aren't they still the number 1 morning show In NY fucking City?

miss me with that excuse.

 

[zzombie]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.



3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

The bold contradict #2 and 3 because once you admit that boys and girls learn differently even when put in the same school environment that you admit no one wants to be in then isn't it logical to assume that there very well could be genetic/hormonal differences that account for the gap in educational attainment between boys and girls.

Its actually illogical to assume something without proper citation. Im not going back and forth on this shit. Proof nigga...proof.

Theres been a noticeable difference in educational attainment for 30 years and no physical science is behind that statement. Social science? Maybe.

The teachers run the system because teachers cannot be fired or at least it's not easy to fire them also their union is no fucking joke. So while on paper the principals run the school and do administer it, the teachers do in essence run the "system".

Teachers unions have nothing to do with this. All teachers are just employees the principal hired. There are more male principals so they set agendas, funding all thw executive shit not a teacher.

AND MOST drug dealers are not under age i don't know where you got that from most criminals period are 18 and over.

Bullshit. Most people age out of crime before they turn 24 many start as young as 14. I know what im talking about.

You want proper citation on a radio show interview??? I don't think he came there with anything written down you want proper citation and justification for some of the things he said buy his book.

principals have far less power than you think first of all they cannot always fire and hire who they wish and they don't really hire teachers the teachers don't work for the principle the teachers work for the school system and they both work for the board of education and the teachers union has significant influence over the board.

underage means under 18 most criminals are above that age so you are factually incorrect,http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0324.pdf

 

[usmarin3]

Man listen. At the end of the day black people in America need to stop looking for celebrities to fund causes or donate their hard earn money to shit. It's the other 30 million black mfs who have the power to affect change. Niggas always looking for leadership in black leaders or celebs which is wrong imo.

 

[zzombie]

@jono you want proof that little boys act differently than little girls and that they learn differently???? now umar got the hormone wrong but the heart of what he is saying is correct

"Boys have less serotonin and oxytocin -- hormones that play a role in promoting a sense of calm -- than girls. That's why it's more likely that young boys will fidget and act impulsively. "Teachers think the boy who can't sit still and is wriggling in his chair and making noise is being defiant," Leonard Sax, MD, author of Why Gender Matters and Boys Adrift

 

[jono]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.



3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

The bold contradict #2 and 3 because once you admit that boys and girls learn differently even when put in the same school environment that you admit no one wants to be in then isn't it logical to assume that there very well could be genetic/hormonal differences that account for the gap in educational attainment between boys and girls.

Its actually illogical to assume something without proper citation. Im not going back and forth on this shit. Proof nigga...proof.

Theres been a noticeable difference in educational attainment for 30 years and no physical science is behind that statement. Social science? Maybe.

The teachers run the system because teachers cannot be fired or at least it's not easy to fire them also their union is no fucking joke. So while on paper the principals run the school and do administer it, the teachers do in essence run the "system".

Teachers unions have nothing to do with this. All teachers are just employees the principal hired. There are more male principals so they set agendas, funding all thw executive shit not a teacher.

AND MOST drug dealers are not under age i don't know where you got that from most criminals period are 18 and over.

Bullshit. Most people age out of crime before they turn 24 many start as young as 14. I know what im talking about.

You want proper citation on a radio show interview??? I don't think he came there with anything written down you want proper citation and justification for some of the things he said buy his book.

.

Funny he cited alot of shit in that interview but left that out huh? He also lectures on these same subjects so it should have been nothing.

principals have far less power than you think first of all they cannot always fire and hire who they wish and they don't really hire teachers the teachers don't work for the principle the teachers work for the school system and they both work for the board of education and the teachers union has significant influence over the board.

Answer this question: who has more power a teacher or a principal? Its a simple question.

underage means under 18 most criminals are above that age so you are factually incorrect,http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0324.pdf

Google doesnt help you because FBI/Census information is only on KNOWN offenders. Those that have been charged/arrested/convicted and even then it depends on the police to provide that information to them.

Police are known for underreporting and overreporting crime.

 

[jono]

I said i wasnt going back and forth. Im gonna hold to that. Believe what you want to. It is what it is.

 

[zzombie]

I didnt watch the whole interview, i watched up until he started talking about gays so probably about 20 minutes or so and here are things he is wrong about:

1. Females run the schools. This false. There are more female teachers but far more male principals. You know the guys who hire and fire teachers. So how do females "run" the system when they are on the bottom of the totem pole? Notice he also gave no citation on the subject he just said it and everybody rode with it.

2. Boys "cant sit still" for 7 hours but magically girls can because testosterone and estrogen. Boys have no more or less ability to "sit still" than girls do, notice also he gave no citation for this, he just said it and everyone rode with it.

Being able to pay attention is more about instruction style, which they addressed in the interview. School is fucking boring NOBODY wants to be there. There has been no scientific explanation as to why black girls and black boys have different educational attainment other than boys learn differently than girls.



3. Boys get in trouble for not exhibiting "feminine behavior" this is under the same umbrella as 2 but when asked the only example he gave was "lacking self-control". Is that really your argument? Boys have less self-control than girls? Thats another thing niggas just let slide.

4. He talked about kids selling drugs out of desperation and because there are no jobs. He isnt totally wrong here but what is omitted is that most drug dealers are underage and thus cant hold a "real" job anyway. Charlamagne noted he did it because of association and that is far more likely to be the case than desperation. Kids dont have bills what they fuck they so desperate for? Shit they dont really need and but shit they want.

He is right about special ed classes being a trash can. Sometimes they just put kids with behavioral disorders in special ed even though nothing is wrong with their ability to learn.

He is right about the over diagnosis of ADHD and overprescription of drugs but ADHD is some real shit. You cant just beat a kid into behaving.

Class overcrowding is obvious. Everybody knows thats true.

I didnt care about the rest of that shit.

The bold contradict #2 and 3 because once you admit that boys and girls learn differently even when put in the same school environment that you admit no one wants to be in then isn't it logical to assume that there very well could be genetic/hormonal differences that account for the gap in educational attainment between boys and girls.

Its actually illogical to assume something without proper citation. Im not going back and forth on this shit. Proof nigga...proof.

Theres been a noticeable difference in educational attainment for 30 years and no physical science is behind that statement. Social science? Maybe.

The teachers run the system because teachers cannot be fired or at least it's not easy to fire them also their union is no fucking joke. So while on paper the principals run the school and do administer it, the teachers do in essence run the "system".

Teachers unions have nothing to do with this. All teachers are just employees the principal hired. There are more male principals so they set agendas, funding all thw executive shit not a teacher.

AND MOST drug dealers are not under age i don't know where you got that from most criminals period are 18 and over.

Bullshit. Most people age out of crime before they turn 24 many start as young as 14. I know what im talking about.

You want proper citation on a radio show interview??? I don't think he came there with anything written down you want proper citation and justification for some of the things he said buy his book.

.

Funny he cited alot of shit in that interview but left that out huh? He also lectures on these same subjects so it should have been nothing.

principals have far less power than you think first of all they cannot always fire and hire who they wish and they don't really hire teachers the teachers don't work for the principle the teachers work for the school system and they both work for the board of education and the teachers union has significant influence over the board.

Answer this question: who has more power a teacher or a principal? Its a simple question.

underage means under 18 most criminals are above that age so you are factually incorrect,http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0324.pdf

Google doesnt help you because FBI/Census information is only on KNOWN offenders. Those that have been charged/arrested/convicted and even then it depends on the police to provide that information to them.

Police are known for underreporting and overreporting crime.

WHEN DID HE CITE ANYTHING in that interview??? when did he give page number and author???

Once hired an individual teacher has no more power than an individual principal and not every school district allows principals to hire who they wish.

If the numbers of criminal/offenders of a law are unknown then you have no argument to contest what i say because what legally makes you a criminal is actually be convicted. What are you basing what you are saying on then??? since you reject the FBI and police numbers, where are you getting your information from??? how are you going to prove that most criminals are underage while also ignoring people whose job it is to deal with crime all day.

 

[zzombie]

I said i wasnt going back and forth. Im gonna hold to that. Believe what you want to. It is what it is.

look nigga stop being a bitch be a man and admit you were wrong/mistaken.

 

[LPast]

One thing to note about economics in this country... Black people will never have the community and environment they want until the black family is strengthened.

People always note what the Asians, Jews, and Indians are doing and I think it all revolves around family.

How can we build wealth or even get out of poverty if we have all these single income households? America is becoming more reliant on dual income, even white people feel it. How can we address this?

 

[zzombie]

One thing to note about economics in this country... Black people will never have the community and environment they want until the black family is strengthened.

People always note what the Asians, Jews, and Indians are doing and I think it all revolves around family.

How can we build wealth or even get out of poverty if we have all these single income households? America is becoming more reliant on dual income, even white people feel it. How can we address this?

We have to get rid of feminist thought and socially liberal thought. It is that simple.

we have to reestablish the concept of honor to men and women honor being the desire for respect among your peers.

 

[D0wn]

Man listen. At the end of the day black people in America need to stop looking for celebrities to fund causes or donate their hard earn money to shit. It's the other 30 million black mfs who have the power to affect change. Niggas always looking for leadership in black leaders or celebs which is wrong imo.

nobody is looking for celebrities to fund causes, or donate their hard earn money to shit. i'm just pointing out the fact, they don't.

yet when tidal was getting panned left and right... who did Jay-Z come running to? who was on stage crying that blks don't support each other enough????

Or when Oprah's tv channel was flopping, cause her white audience didn't flip the dial , who was she pandering to? who was talking that, blks don't support enough positive programming?

Or when Nike told Kanye to go fuck himself, who came running back crying to the blk community, doing Urban radio 2-3 times a week?

or when 50 had his situation with Time Warner, who was screaming racism? who was telling black time warner subscribers, to leave time warner?

or the classic one. Micheal Fucking Jackson had his situation with Sony. who was in Harlem, with Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton talking all this blk shit? who was talking that, blacks built the industry, blacks did this blacks did that?

its funny how, when Blk celebrities hit a rough stretch, they come running back to the blk community, begging for support from fellow blks. yet they, don't have to support the black community...