Don't ask, Don't tell = One of the main reasons why Babylon falls!

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

nobody can be this stupid...

either u do it on purpose...or maybe your jus not that intelligent, i cant figure it out.

babylon is a big secret...thats why its not taught in church, because if it was then nobody wud live in america, espically after 9/11...everybody would of fled.

most christians have never even read the whole bible (like you)...n even if they did they think its talkin about ancient babylon, which is dumb seeing as revelation was written AFTER babylon was conquered.

also most people are'nt christian, u have other religions and atheists (most white people)...so it is a big secret.

daniel wrote about america also, and about many other kingdoms like the greek, romans, babylon, medo- persian...before they came into power.

Amen. God even calls it MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT in the book of Revelation. If God calls it a mystery, than only the wise will understand who and what the end-time Babylon is.

There are countless folks that have no clue as to who Mystery Babylon is. That's why many people will be caught unawares when the time of her harvest comes. But you do know VIBE. What will be your plan of action? Will you believe God or will you deny Him?

 

[waterproof]

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is dumb, got it, no need to reiterate that.

I haven't read the WHOLE bible, I think I've read most. I can just freely post anywhere I'd like as well, as when I was a believer this was my only forum I really posted in. I still stick around and read almost all the threads and keep most of my thoughts to myself, sometimes I like to put in my opinions and beliefs now.

How do you know I am not spiritual? Did Paul (I think that's who it was) murder Christians at one point? So it's fair to say you have no basis in telling anyone they're not spiritual, not agreeing with beliefs doesn't mean such a thing. What is being spiritual btw? How do you know you are and how do you become spiritual?

SEE YOU AINT READ SHIT!, you got the spirit off non belife on you heavy.. that's what happen when you play around and entertain those thoughts, if you knew scripture spirits can come in when you let them in and that's what happen.

You cussing out the creator and everything else.....

If you know scripture SHaul/Paul did not kill christians, he killed Hebrews, even though he was a Hebrew but his citzenship was Roman and he was just like his father a pharisee there was only a few hebrews that was a pharisee those the one's that was used by Amalek and Edom and going to be the same niggas that's going to be snitich on those brothers that will have spirtual powers and calling the hebrew brothers crazy and shit.

But Paul soul was tormenting him just like your is doing to you, Paul one minute follow the scriptures and law and the next he throw something in there of his own opinions to please the Pagan worshipping romans

 

[Bodhi]

Science shows evidence that being gay is biologically fixed, meaning that gay people were most likely born that way. Animals are also observed to sometimes have homosexual relationships. I have no problem with gay people or the policy and the Bible shouldn't be taken seriously at all

 

[One Spliff]

Thanks for the breakdown. A few issues I have though is that in the Hosea scripture God is saying that He will gather all of the seed of Abraham together as the body and bride of Christ, with Christ being the head of the body. Jesus Christ is the head and there is only one body to a head, that body is the body of called out believers from Adam and Eve all the way to the last person that is saved before His return in glory. Hosea 1:10-11 is talking about the future restoration of the kingdom to the sons of the living God, which will happen at the return of Jesus Christ.

The 2 description are different because the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 is the heavenly city that will be on the new earth after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ. The new Jerusalem is the eternal city for all the glorified saints of God. It comes down from heaven after the great white throne judgment and the casting of all things that offend into the lake of fire. It will be a new heaven and a new earth, thus the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven. It is totally different from the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40-48. Revelation 21:22-23 even states that there will be no temple in the New Jerusalem because the Lamb and the Father are the temple of the New Jerusalem.

"22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Revelation 21:22-23

The temple that is in Ezekiel 40-48 is the one that will be set up during the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ on earth, prior to the creation of the new heaven and the new earth.

"2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:2-3

That is the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. And He will rule from the 3rd temple of Ezekiel 40-48, which will be in Zion. So I believe you got the 2 confused my brother.

1) The millennial reign of Jesus Christ will be where the temple of Ezekiel 40-48 comes into play.

2) The New Jerusalem of Revelation 21-22 will be the heavenly city that will come down from heaven AFTER the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. God the Father will dwell with man at that point. Hallelujah!

And also the Hosea 6:2 verse that you referenced has plenty of meat. It's talking about the 2,000 year reign of man before the 3rd day of rest. As I stated earlier the rule of man is almost up. Man was given 6,000 years to rule the earth and that 6,000 years is almost up. That's why I don't believe there are 400-500 years left. The 7th day of rest is almost here. The sabbath must be honored and God will honor it for He made it. The 3rd day was when Christ rose from the dead and thus our dead bodies will also be raised up to rule and reign with Him during our sabbath rest.

As for the 70th week of Daniel I believe that they were already fulfilled. The last week of Daniel is still up for debate, but the first 69 weeks have definitely been fulfilled. This has been verified in history. From the decree given by the king to Nehemiah to rebuild Jerusalem all the way up the 1st advent of Jesus Christ. That whole time period encompasses the first 69 weeks. That's a fact. The last week of Daniel is still up for debate though. Some people believe that it was fulfilled to through the what Jesus Christ did on Calvary, while many others believe that the last week is the tribulation period which is still yet to come.

So I still don't see 400-500 years left in this age. Rather I see all the signs that Jesus Christ said that were to come before His 2nd return continue to pile up. The signs are all around us and I believe that He is even at the doors! I truly believe that this is the generation that will see His return. This is the 9 generation. This is the final one. God even said that the generation that sees all the signs would not pass until He returned. We are living in interesting times to say the least. Amen.

u got the 1000 year riegn confused with the heavenly kingdom...

you said yourself there will be no temple, thats the 1000 year reign in which there will be no temple...christ is the lamb like it says in rev 22, so how can we reign with christ 1000 years and still have a temple ?, that makes no sense.

as for the 70 weeks, few questions:

1. from what year was the 69 weeks fufilled ?...and what year did they span to ?

2. there are two abmoninations of desolation mentioned in the book of daniel, one in chapter 11, once in chapter 9 and chapter 12...chapter 11 is referring to antiocus IV, which is chapter 9 n 12 referring ?

remember how christ spoke of the abomination of desolation in matthew 24 ?....christ was talking of a future desolation, has it happened already ?...because matt 24 is an ENDTIME prophecy...so when was the desolation in the last week of daniel fufilled ?

3. who is king david in the OT propchies ?...and when will he return ?

u see where u go wrong is the third temple...in order for an abomination of desolation to take place, there obviously has to be a temple...so are u telling me its going to take place during the 1000 year reign with christ ?

also hosea 6:2 clearly says in the third day...

1 day = 0-1000
2 day = 1000-2000
3 day = 2000-3000

in the third day he will raise us up...so when in the third day ?

thats why u need daniel 9 and 12 to answer this...

daniel 9: 24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

daniel 12: 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

the week is 7 years, and 1290 days is half way thru the week...

but whats more intresting is messiah mentioned in daniel 9, you guna have to be more specific as to when messiah was cut off, and what time the 69 weeks spanned to.

also what holy city si it talking about in daniel 9 ?...cant u see that daniel 9:23 is clearly an endtime propehcy like daniel chapter 12 ?

these weeks havent been fufilled thats why it says "24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness"

 

[VIBE]

Rev 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth

Why is Babylon being described as a 'city' rather than a country?

 

[VIBE]

SEE YOU AINT READ SHIT!, you got the spirit off non belife on you heavy.. that's what happen when you play around and entertain those thoughts, if you knew scripture spirits can come in when you let them in and that's what happen.

Nope, I didn't read shit. I just said I did for shits and giggles.

Scripture spirits? wow lol

You cussing out the creator and everything else.....

If I see him in the end, I will do the same

If you know scripture SHaul/Paul did not kill christians, he killed Hebrews, even though he was a Hebrew but his citzenship was Roman and he was just like his father a pharisee there was only a few hebrews that was a pharisee those the one's that was used by Amalek and Edom and going to be the same niggas that's going to be snitich on those brothers that will have spirtual powers and calling the hebrew brothers crazy and shit.

But Paul soul was tormenting him just like your is doing to you, Paul one minute follow the scriptures and law and the next he throw something in there of his own opinions to please the Pagan worshipping romans

The movie character alien Paul >>> Biblical Paul

 

[Bodhi]

Scripture spirits? wow lol

LOL.. I'm thinking there's missing puncuation in there somewhere

 

[One Spliff]

Science shows evidence that being gay is biologically fixed, meaning that gay people were most likely born that way. Animals are also observed to sometimes have homosexual relationships. I have no problem with gay people or the policy and the Bible shouldn't be taken seriously at all

lol...

so there is no such thing as satan ?...or evil ?...or demonic spirits ?...or something with is opposed to nature and rigtheousness ?

you can be born gay, but how does that disproove the bible ?

are'nt people born blind ?...is'nt it natural to have sight ?....lol...i dont think realise how stupid your argument sounds which is why people who have never read the whole bible shud bother making opinions.

i cant go into a comic book thread and make valid points on a comic book i have never read.

ur pretending to understand something u have absolutely no knowledge of.

 

[Bodhi]

lol...

so there is no such thing as satan?

No. I don't believe so

evil?

Mankind defines what evil is

demonic spirits?

No scientific proof of them

are'nt people born blind ?...is'nt it natural to have sight ?....lol...i dont think realise how stupid your argument sounds

People are born blind but the Bible doesn't tell you to kill blind people. It doesn't say that being blind is a sin. Try again

 

[One Spliff]

People are born blind but the Bible doesn't tell you to kill blind people. It doesn't say that being blind is a sin. Try again

lol yes it does...

john 9:1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

see how stupid you look now ?

how can u be born blind for sin, unless u sinned in a previous life or unless your parents sinned ?

now explain to me wtf being a faggot by birth has to do with the bible not being real ?

are u really that simple minded ?

stop making yourself look so damn foolish.

faggortry goes against nature, and if u condone it you deserve death according to the bible.

if you have never read the bible then DONT try to debate about it...

 

[Bodhi]

That passage infers that someone sinned to receive his blindness as the punishment for the original sin. The blind man himself is not an abomination

 

[One Spliff]

That passage infers that someone sinned to receive his blindness as the punishment for the original sin. The blind man himself is not an abomination

you might just be as stupid as vibe lol.

wtf is original sin ?...stop using stupid man made terms which are not scriptural...ur just parroting what u've heard because u've never actually read the bible.

being blind is a punsihment for sin and so is being born a homosexual, their both punishments.

so what exactly is your point ?

 

[VIBE]

lol yes it does...

john 9:1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

see how stupid you look now ?

Then Jesus said NEITHER HIM OR HIS PARENTS SINNED. meaning naturally he was born blind, without sin involved.

See how stupid you look now? Don't half ass quote shit, if the follow up is necssary, post it. You ain't that slick.

How can u be born blind for sin, unless u sinned in a previous life or unless your parents sinned ?

He wasn't born due to sin, follow up with John 9:2. There is no reincarnation in the bible, so what do you believe? You cannot be held responsible for others sins.

now explain to me wtf being a faggot by birth has to do with the bible not being real ?

If it's by birth why does god state them as being an abomination, that was his creation. He cannot punish for something that wasn't their choice. Also the bible states "they choose" which they don't.

are u really that simple minded ?

stop making yourself look so damn foolish.

Seems like you are though.

faggortry goes against nature, and if u condone it you deserve death according to the bible.

if you have never read the bible then DONT try to debate about it...

It's obvious it doesn't go against nature as it's all in nature. All animals are "gay", all animals aren't born attracted to females. Men and woman do one thing together, populate, other than that, there no more "nature" between the two.

 

[Bodhi]

you might just be as stupid as vibe lol.

wtf is original sin ?...stop using stupid man made terms which are not scriptural...ur just parroting what u've heard because u've never actually read the bible.

being blind is a punsihment for sin and so is being born a homosexual, their both punishments.

so what exactly is your point ?

Man made terms? We're both speaking English which is man made.

The Bible says that being homosexual is an abomination before the Lord.

That specific person's blindness is just an unfortunate circumstance he was cured from

there's a difference. What if the man was never cured? Should he receive death because he was blind?

 

[One Spliff]

Then Jesus said NEITHER HIM OR HIS PARENTS SINNED. meaning naturally he was born blind, without sin involved.

See how stupid you look now? Don't half ass quote shit, if the follow up is necssary, post it. You ain't that slick.

He wasn't born due to sin, follow up with John 9:2. There is no reincarnation in the bible, so what do you believe? You cannot be held responsible for others sins.

If it's by birth why does god state them as being an abomination, that was his creation. He cannot punish for something that wasn't their choice. Also the bible states "they choose" which they don't.

Seems like you are though.

It's obvious it doesn't go against nature as it's all in nature. All animals are "gay", all animals aren't born attracted to females. Men and woman do one thing together, populate, other than that, there no more "nature" between the two.

no reincarnation in the bible ?

so explain how john the baptist and elijah were the same person...lol

duuh !!!

god cant punish for something that was NOT their choice ?...SO WHY WAS HE BORN BLIND THEN, lol...u are contradicting yourself u dumbass.

the disicples asked if HE HAD SINNED, how can he sin if he was born that way ?...think about it u retard.

god created evil, and he created an evil nation...i'll rpoove it...and then i'll make u look even more stupid than u already do...

isaiah 45: 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

romans 9: 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

LOL...

god loved jacob and hated esau before they were EVEN BORN...so obviously it makes no difference wether u sin or not, god has already chosen you for a purpose.

romans 9: 19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

EDOMITES ARE VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED FOR DESTRUCTION, born wicked !!!!

psalm 58: 3The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.

^^ people are born wicked

which prooves people are born faggots like jaded righteouesness...

nice try tho vibe...

 

[Bodhi]

if you're trying to make me upset, you're failing. I'm actually laughing. I don't know if you're trying to be funny or not either but if you are, good job

 

[waterproof]

@ One Spliff you can't tell these non-believers nonthing, The Most High knew they spirit before they was born.. that's why that cant understand Higher Learning and Hebrew Science, they dont want to learn, so they will not receive.

They speak that they know the bible but they read it once, and dont even know that the bible speak on recarnation a few times, SMH.

 

[One Spliff]

Man made terms? We're both speaking English which is man made.

The Bible says that being homosexual is an abomination before the Lord.
That specific person's blindness is just an unfortunate circumstance he was cured from

there's a difference. What if the man was never cured? Should he receive death because he was blind?

no, because his blindness was already a punishment.

israelites were never born gay in ancient times, they were given up to seducing spirits...

romans 1: 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

once again, it was punishment...

u can die by a number of ways, being a faggot was one of them.

even if u were born that way in ancient times...it is still a punishment, same way people are born blind...just a harsher punsishment if it led to your death.

 

[VIBE]

"go a stray as soon as they're born, speaking lie..."

Didn't know babies spoke lies.

You're completely oblivious to my post and ignored John 2:9. He WAS NOT born blind DUE TO SIN.There's no other verse in the bible that states handicaps/deformities are caused by sin. Sorry but nice try. Again god isn't real.

Also forgive my typos and shit my phone loves to correct me and do things I do not intend.

 

[One Spliff]

"go a stray as soon as they're born, speaking lie..."

Didn't know babies spoke lies.

You're completely oblivious to my post and ignored John 2:9. He WAS NOT born blind DUE TO SIN.There's no other verse in the bible that states handicaps/deformities are caused by sin. Sorry but nice try. Again god isn't real.

Also forgive my typos and shit my phone loves to correct me and do things I do not intend.

john 2:9 is totally irrelevant.

are u claiming the disciples were wrong for asking if he had sinned ?

why ask jesus if the man had sinned, if it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to have sinned...that makes no sense.

ur basically just embarrasing yourself...

jeremiah 32: 18Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,

exodus 20: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.