Does "race" exist in modern humans????

[Bodhi]

do you always debate like this?

Unfortunately, he does.

 

[Bodhi]

I am afraid

You should be.

 

[bambu]

@kai_valya.......

Bury this stupid bitch.......

I just posted the fucking definition for phenotype......

You cant even reply to my posts.......

But trying to act like your side won???????

Bitch please.......

@Oceanic......

Phenotype does "equal" "race"......

A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.

Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........

From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........

Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........

Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........

However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......

Again silly nigga...........

Reading is fundamental.......

It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.

 

[bambu]

^^^ So hair color equals race? Height equals race?? Visual acuity equals race???

No stupid nigga.......

Race = A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Biology

a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.

b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals

A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.

 

[bambu]

so what's your point with this post? what does morphology have to do with anything we've been talking about?

do you always debate like this, you pretty bad at it

You are a dumb bitch.....

where does it say that phenotype is a synonym for skin colour

and why won't you answer whether you took a science course in college or not? (psst....it's clear the answer is none)

It says nothing about phenotype being a synonym for skin color........

However it does say that "A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology"

Therefore, the phenotype encompasses skin color......

I am afraid you will have you bury this one too.....

It really makes you look dumb......

Morphology~

"In biology, morphology is a branch of bioscience dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.

This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern)"

 

[Bodhi]

That was a rhetorical question, @bambu. Sorry for confusing you.

 

[bambu]

Again dumb bitch....

You missed the schooling/ether......

If you don't want to be called a bitch.....

You shouldn't have come up in here calling me shit........

 

[bambu]

Look at bitchass @FuriousOne........

Wacking dictionaries and encyclopedias........

Have you no shame????????

 

[bambu]

Which does not make much sense. If "whites", defined by you as seperate from "blacks", can have continental ancestry in Africa, would that not throw your theory of "race" defined by continental ancestry and origins off its track?

You've also done a fine job of avoiding this question:

If person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???

@Oceanic.....

You are desperate as hell......

Skin color does not necessarily determine a persons race.........

DNA/other phenotypic traits will show where person X's ancestors are from.......

So if person X had European ancestry......

It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "European" race.........

Now person X make be appear "brown" to the observer...........

However if person X's YDNA was European.......

Person X would be European American despite his outer appearance......

 

[Jabu_Rule]

@bamboozled, you don't deserve a proper response faggot. Your very presence deserved a wack. Good riddance.

Ol catching feelings head ass half cracker.

 

[Bodhi]

Skin color does not necessarily determine a persons race.........

Then the concept of race is simply a poor way of grouping individuals based on phenotypical similarities:

Humans were classified into one of four or five phenotypical groups often based on skin color, hair texture, and facial anatomy, and which were matched to a continent with which each group were associated. Often racial classification of humans was described in terms of essential characteristics, and came to serve as a way of naturalizing social and cultural stereotypes about racial groups, in turn justifying or motivating different forms of racism.

If skin color does not determine race, nor does any other characteristic or trait, then race can only be a manmade concept or systemization and nothing more.

First,

all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens

Secondly,

It is demonstrated that race has no biological or genetic basis: gross morphological features which traditionally has been defined as races (e.g. skin color) are determined by non-significant and superficial genetic alleles with no link to any characteristics, such as intelligence, talent, athletic ability, etc. Race has been socially and legally constructed despite the lack of any scientific evidence for dividing humanity into racial baskets with any generalized genetic meaning.

Thirdly,

As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

 

[Bodhi]

And ultimately, this is still true:

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

 

[Bodhi]

user banned

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Props to @Oceanic for keeping up with this nonsense. Your patience makes me want to investigate the tenants of Buddhism. Also, Buddhist monks are the only ones i ever see proving what they preach. Dudes be doing some crazy shit with their bodies.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Indeed, it's a wonder why if they didn't want to, they'd even respond to them in the first place.

 

[Bodhi]

Props to @Oceanic for keeping up with this nonsense. Your patience makes me want to investigate the tenants of Buddhism. Also, Buddhist monks are the only ones i ever see proving what they preach. Dudes be do some crazy shit with their bodies.

I'm still a work in progress.

The fact that Buddhism is a set of ppractices rather than a faith based belief system is also what caught my attention.

If you ever have any questions, let me know.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Props to @Oceanic for keeping up with this nonsense. Your patience makes me want to investigate the tenants of Buddhism. Also, Buddhist monks are the only ones i ever see proving what they preach. Dudes be doing some crazy shit with their bodies.

It will teach you about yourself, the more you understand about yourself, the more you understand about others, the more you understand about others, the less strife you have with them.

8-|

you sure told me just now didn't you BA?

lol, hilarious

Who can tell YOU anything?

 

[playmaker88]

It might not exist..but it does matter

/thread

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Thank you for proving me right.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Word, I unbury posts by default, unless it contains faggotry of some form.