Does "race" exist in modern humans????

[Bodhi]

...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

Yes.....

...So… continental ancestry =/= race.

I'm glad you understand.

 

[bambu]

Don't congratulate yourself so fast playa........

Person X may "be" or appear "white"...........

But have African ancestry.......



Continental ancestry does "equal" race.........

What you are attempting to say and what I have already illustrated is that............

Skin color does not always equal race or continental ancestry...........

In your example or question...........

...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

Person X would be African...............

Despite their outer appearance.......

And stop biting my gifs nigga.......

I drop the mic......

Then your bitch ass is dropping mics......

Get your own shit nigga.......

 

[Bodhi]

but.. but...

What you are attempting to say and what I have already illustrated is that............

Skin color (phenotype) does not equal race or continental ancestry...........

...So... phenotype =/= race.

I'm glad you understand.

 

[Bodhi]

And stop biting my gifs nigga.......

I drop the mic......

Then your bitch ass is dropping mics......

Get your own shit nigga.......

 

[bambu]

You might be the dumbest nigga on the IC..........

Skin color or melanin pigmentation is but one of thousands of phenotypic traits that are observable by humans......

Purely Mendelian traits are a tiny minority of all traits, since most phenotypic traits exhibit incomplete dominance, codominance, and contributions from many genes.

So this statement;

phenotype =/= race.

Is horseshit.........

That is the problem with your ignorant-ass Darwinist perspective.......

You cannot even absorb what goes on at the genetic and biological level......

So you make grandiose assumptions using your "logic"..........

And now you putting words in a nigga mouth too........

I know I talk shit.......

However, I stick to the facts(evidence).........

If you are going to post completely ignorant shit, then take it to the donkey room.......

If you want to continue this debate........

I am gonna need you to step your fucking game up B........

 

[Bodhi]

but.. but...

Skin color does not equal race...........

but.. but...

Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traits

phenotype =/= race

is horseshit.........

You might be the dumbest nigga on the IC..........

Person X may be white...........

But have African ancestry.......

but.. but...

if person X had African ancestry......

It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

 

[Bodhi]

I will destroy you.................

 

[bambu]

All those emotions with no proper response....

What's wrong????

Only thing you can do now is coon & jive around the issue.....

This thread began as a debate and has unfortunately turned into a fucking minstrel show.....

Again lil' nigga....

Fall back until you have something that at least makes sense......

HOTEP

 

[Bodhi]

All those emotions with no proper response....

What's wrong????

Only thing you can do now is coon & jive around the issue.....

This thread began as a debate and has unfortunately turned into a fucking minstrel show.....

Fall back until you have something that at least makes sense......

I'll I'm doing is quoting your bullshit and inconsistencies so if it doesn't make sense to you, that's good because it shouldn't make sense. It's false. You've been saying a lot of false shit and are failing in being able to continue to color within the lines. My response is pointing out your bullshit. Deal with it.

HOTEP

 

[bambu]

Whatever nigga....

I answered your question....

You have no rebuttal.....

HOTEP......

 

[bambu]

. You've been saying a lot of false shit and are failing in being able to continue to color within the lines.

@Oceanic.....

Prove it.........

I'll I'm doing is quoting your bullshit and inconsistencies so if it doesn't make sense to you, that's good because it shouldn't make sense.

The problem is that it does not make sense to you.......

There are no inconsistencies in my posts........

Again, your whitewashed Darwinist perspective cannot grasp the material.......

Which is why you cannot formulate a functioning response in your own words.........

I answered your question....

You have no rebuttal.....

HOTEP......

 

[Bodhi]

I posted this:

There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes. Traditionally human phenotypical variation has been described as breaking down into large continental races, characterized by easily definable traits. Humans were then classified into one of four or five phenotypical groups often based on skin color, hair texture, and facial anatomy, and which were matched to a continent with which each group were associated. Often racial classification of humans was described in terms of essential characteristics, and came to serve as a way of naturalizing social and cultural stereotypes about racial groups, in turn justifying or motivating different forms of racism. As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.

You got hung up on this:

There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes.

without knowing this:

phenotype is the observable result of a genotype, so that could be anything from height to vision acuity which has nothing to do with race.

phenotype =/= race

and without reading this:

As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.

 

[Bodhi]

You quoted this:

There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes.

adding this:

phenotypes/"races".

..believing and insinuating that phenotypical differences were enough to classify humans into separate races and that phenotype is a synonym for race, also observed here where you treated the two words as synonyms:

Whether you call it phenotype [or] race..........

It still exists........

But then, switching up your position, you said this:

Skin color does not equal race...........

Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traits

^^^ which I agree with. Skin pigment is a phenotype, along with eye color, height, and visual acuity as explained earlier.

But then you strangely did a 180 and contradicted yourself here:

phenotype =/= race

is horseshit.........

 

[bambu]

@Oceanic......

Phenotype does "equal" "race"......

A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.

Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........

From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........

Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........

Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........

However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......

Again silly nigga...........

Reading is fundamental.......

It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.

 

[bambu]

Ha......

Bitch ass mods burying my posts.........

That is the only way to make it look like ya'll have a fucking clue........

Shits pathetic..........

 

[bambu]

@kai_valya.......

Bury this stupid bitch.......

I just posted the fucking definition for phenotype......

You cant even reply to my posts.......

But trying to act like your side won???????

Bitch please.......

@Oceanic......

Phenotype does "equal" "race"......

A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.

Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........

From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........

Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........

Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........

However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......

Again silly nigga...........

Reading is fundamental.......

It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.

 

[Bodhi]

Phenotype does "equal" "race"......

False.

PHENOTYPE: The set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/phenotype

Various phenotypes can occur within the same "race" of people. Again, I'll use Asians as an example. There are varying phenotypes across the Asian continent. There are also varying phenotypes across the African continent between "black" people. Phenotype does not equal race.

Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

In this definition, race could be a mixture of skin pigments and phenotypes. For example, the American "melting pot", or even the mixed culture of Australia. Using this definition of race causes your original definition of race to be synonymous with species fails.

environmental factors (continental origin) are included in a phenotype..........

False. "Environmental factors" does not include continental origin but phenology, as described in your definition of phenotype here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype

..Just so there is no confusion, phenology is defined as:

Phenology is the study of periodic plant and animal life cycle events and how these are influenced by seasonal and interannual variations in climate, as well as habitat factors (such as elevation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenology

You are losing track of what you want "race" to be defined as. You want race to be defined as and synonymous with species. That is not possible.

From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........

Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........

However,

As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

 

[Bodhi]

but.. but...

Skin color does not equal race...........

but.. but...

Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traits

phenotype =/= race

is horseshit.........

An example of a phenotypic trait is hair color, there are underlying genes that control the hair color, which make up the genotype, but the actual hair color, the part we see, is the phenotype. The phenotype is the physical characteristics of the organism. The phenotype is controlled by the genetic make-up of the organism and the environmental pressures the organism is subject to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotypic_trait

phenotype =/= race

is horseshit.........

^^^ So hair color equals race? Height equals race?? Visual acuity equals race???

 

[bambu]

you asked me to bury it and i complied

A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.

where does it say that phenotype is a synonym for skin colour

and why won't you answer whether you took a science course in college or not? (psst....it's clear the answer is none)

@kai_valya..........

Nah bitch.....

You have been burying my shit........

I am afraid you will have you bury this one too.....

It really makes you look dumb......

Morphology~

"In biology, morphology is a branch of bioscience dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.

This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern)"

Idiot bitch.....

My degree is anthropology/history........

I took several "science courses" ........

I am tired of you bitchass mods moving, deleting, and burying my shit.......

 

[Bodhi]

Moving on...

DNA will show where person X's ancestors are from.......

So if person X had African ancestry......

It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........

And may be "mixed" with several different races.......

However if person X's YDNA was African.......

Person X would be African despite his outer appearance......

It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

^^^ Here, you're using one definition of race:

A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

And may be "mixed" with several different races.......

^^^ Here, you're using a different definition of race:

Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.

or more specifically, for your liking, we can just swap in the definition of species, since your theory of racial hierarchy and Darwinist racism would call for it:

A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.

or

A group subordinate to a genus and containing individuals agreeing in some common attributes and called by a common name.

^^^ So all of that is not coherent. But anyway... you say this:

Continental ancestry does "equal" race.........

But you go on to say:

Yes.....

in response to this question:

so whites can have ancestors from Africa?

in addition, you say this:

Person X may be white...........

But have African ancestry.......

Which does not make much sense. If "whites", defined by you as seperate from "blacks", can have continental ancestry in Africa, would that not throw your theory of "race" defined by continental ancestry and origins off its track?

You've also done a fine job of avoiding this question:

If person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???