Do Africans owe us reparations for selling us into slavery?

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Tymoney19;6826855 said:
A Talented One;6826838 said:
Tymoney19;6826831 said:
Y'all niggas serious?

What's the problem?

Majority of the black people In America have it better than their African counterparts yet y'all want them to pay you for something their ancestors might have done hundreds of years ago? Then y'all wonder why Africans think black are lazy

True story. Looking at what you (african americans) left behind i'd say you are much better off where you are now.

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Of course I can't say the same for your ancestors and also not all of Africa is slums and waste land but its definitely more there than in America. So instead of bitching about whats "owed to you" stand up and make the most of the oppurtunities you have. Get an education , Work hard , save , invest ,build your communities, fuck some white women..make the best of the privileges that were denied to your ancestors.A lot of Africans would kill for that minimum wage you complain about. Oh and before you you jump on my back , am speaking as someone that was born in Africa , visits the continent regularly to do charity work and has relatives there so am not basing my views off what I see on CNN.

 
Meroe;6826807 said:
Personally, I feel like there's a huge difference between an ethnic group (let's not pretend there was anything close to what's considered nigeria before the scramble for Africa) selling off their POW's (prisoner of war)

and

a nation of united ethnicities fully convinced of racial superiority hell bent on using African labor, because they're too superior to do it. I feel like there's a huge mental ramification that transcends generations hasn't really been elaborated on in my opinion....

For example, the difference between: "ok im a slave because we lost a war..." compared to: "ive been indoctrinated my whole life to believe I'm so inferior to these melanin deficient people that slavery is my only option"

I ve lived in Africa 13 years. And i ashaled to tell you that between black african people there is still a notion of superiority.

Some ethnic groups were deemeed inferior to the point that they had no choice but being slaves. Some other , i.e the GRIOS, were asked to only singing about the feats and exploits of their masters and to transmitt it to their children.

Some families had no rights but working the gold i.e the CISSE.

In Senegal you are condemned to be a dancer or a singer if you come from a certain familly.

And slavery still exist there. They are paying young women and boys nearly nothing to get the house cleaned, the meals cooked, even their periods filled underwear washed with threir hands. They dont even make their conjugal bedroom after sex.

The only lesson we have to learn from slavery is that one : we sell each other out FOR SHIT !!! WE LACK OF UNITY !!! Look at Center Africa bruh what the hell is going on there ? Ethnic slaughter. Smh.

Look at the ghettos all around the world : self destruction and lack of unity. Brothers hating on their brothers, brothers raping, impregnating and not caring of their sisters , children selling crack to their mothers.

Yet we cry when somebody else is taking advantage from it.

Let us change first.

Imo

 
Meroe;6827434 said:
MansaMusa67;6827298 said:
zombie;6827267 said:
MansaMusa67;6827245 said:
zombie;6827224 said:
African american are not isralites. Niggas need to stop talking to those crazy cult members who dress like wonder woman on the weekends.

disprove the theory then

Genetics has already done that our ancestors came from west africa not the fucking so called middle east

quick question.

Did the Israelites at any point in history travel into what we call "Africa" and live amongst existing tribes?

And, do you know anything about the Lemba tribe?

i personally know an Essenic jew from cameroon whos family lineage had fled jerusalem after the destruction of the second temple. they then lived amongst the native tribes in a segregated animosity for all those years. they passed this down from father to son since those times. i cant say how common this was or to what extent these kinds of bloodlines influenced african americans. i can say that theres atleast a tiny portion however.

learn something new everyday.
 
LEMMY_MANTIS;6828280 said:
Meroe;6826807 said:
Personally, I feel like there's a huge difference between an ethnic group (let's not pretend there was anything close to what's considered nigeria before the scramble for Africa) selling off their POW's (prisoner of war)

and

a nation of united ethnicities fully convinced of racial superiority hell bent on using African labor, because they're too superior to do it. I feel like there's a huge mental ramification that transcends generations hasn't really been elaborated on in my opinion....

For example, the difference between: "ok im a slave because we lost a war..." compared to: "ive been indoctrinated my whole life to believe I'm so inferior to these melanin deficient people that slavery is my only option"

I ve lived in Africa 13 years. And i ashaled to tell you that between black african people there is still a notion of superiority.

Some ethnic groups were deemeed inferior to the point that they had no choice but being slaves. Some other , i.e the GRIOS, were asked to only singing about the feats and exploits of their masters and to transmitt it to their children.

Some families had no rights but working the gold i.e the CISSE.

In Senegal you are condemned to be a dancer or a singer if you come from a certain familly.

And slavery still exist there. They are paying young women and boys nearly nothing to get the house cleaned, the meals cooked, even their periods filled underwear washed with threir hands. They dont even make their conjugal bedroom after sex.

The only lesson we have to learn from slavery is that one : we sell each other out FOR SHIT !!! WE LACK OF UNITY !!! Look at Center Africa bruh what the hell is going on there ? Ethnic slaughter. Smh.

Look at the ghettos all around the world : self destruction and lack of unity. Brothers hating on their brothers, brothers raping, impregnating and not caring of their sisters , children selling crack to their mothers.

Yet we cry when somebody else is taking advantage from it.

Let us change first.

Imo

Ah, well that's unfortunate. Sounds a lot like the caste systems of India. So would you say those kinds of systems are extremely widespread through out Africa?

 
Darxwell;6827845 said:
Anansi;6827677 said:
Darxwell;6827649 said:
So we gone act like those fucking Ebola carrying chimps didnt sell us off
Meroe;6826807 said:
Personally, I feel like there's a huge difference between an ethnic group (let's not pretend there was anything close to what's considered nigeria before the scramble for Africa) selling off their POW's (prisoner of war)

and

a nation of united ethnicities fully convinced of racial superiority hell bent on using African labor, because they're too superior to do it. I feel like there's a huge mental ramification that transcends generations hasn't really been elaborated on in my opinion....

For example, the difference between: "ok im a slave because we lost a war..." compared to: "ive been indoctrinated my whole life to believe I'm so inferior to these melanin deficient people that slavery is my only option"

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Yea they did, fuck you gon do about it?

I dont need to do shit. The only difference between a porta potty and most African countries is at least the porta potty gets cleaned up after it gets shit on. Cant say the same about Africans.

Niggas talking about reparations from niggas that dont have shit and have to ask the Chinese and Japanese for permission to even GET shit cuz they're the ones that own African now. Jay-Z's daughter probably has shit in her diapers worth more than you spear chucker's average GDP.

Fuck you, and the Yellow Cab you rode in on.

Look at this bitch nigga with his female tendencies, and dp's of women he will never fuck lmao.
 
MansaMusa67;6827463 said:
Meroe;6827434 said:
MansaMusa67;6827298 said:
zombie;6827267 said:
MansaMusa67;6827245 said:
zombie;6827224 said:
African american are not isralites. Niggas need to stop talking to those crazy cult members who dress like wonder woman on the weekends.

disprove the theory then

Genetics has already done that our ancestors came from west africa not the fucking so called middle east

quick question.

Did the Israelites at any point in history travel into what we call "Africa" and live amongst existing tribes?

And, do you know anything about the Lemba tribe?

i personally know an Essenic jew from cameroon whos family lineage had fled jerusalem after the destruction of the second temple. they then lived amongst the native tribes in a segregated animosity for all those years. they passed this down from father to son since those times. i cant say how common this was or to what extent these kinds of bloodlines influenced african americans. i can say that theres atleast a tiny portion however.

Thanks for th input. I really asked to see what hr knew. Many Israelites fled Jerusalemduring that period in 70 AD and went down into Africa to escape the Romans.

No problem man. One question that comes to mind that I never thought to ask is why the hell they would go that far into Africa. That's a loonngg way from jerusalem, I'd assume it would be by boat, but you never know.
 
Meroe;6828502 said:
MansaMusa67;6827463 said:
Meroe;6827434 said:
MansaMusa67;6827298 said:
zombie;6827267 said:
MansaMusa67;6827245 said:
zombie;6827224 said:
African american are not isralites. Niggas need to stop talking to those crazy cult members who dress like wonder woman on the weekends.

disprove the theory then

Genetics has already done that our ancestors came from west africa not the fucking so called middle east

quick question.

Did the Israelites at any point in history travel into what we call "Africa" and live amongst existing tribes?

And, do you know anything about the Lemba tribe?

i personally know an Essenic jew from cameroon whos family lineage had fled jerusalem after the destruction of the second temple. they then lived amongst the native tribes in a segregated animosity for all those years. they passed this down from father to son since those times. i cant say how common this was or to what extent these kinds of bloodlines influenced african americans. i can say that theres atleast a tiny portion however.

Thanks for th input. I really asked to see what hr knew. Many Israelites fled Jerusalemduring that period in 70 AD and went down into Africa to escape the Romans.

No problem man. One question that comes to mind that I never thought to ask is why the hell they would go that far into Africa. That's a loonngg way from jerusalem, I'd assume it would be by boat, but you never know.

I used to wonder that to. I really couldn't answer that question. But maybe it could be do to the fact that they didnt have a peaceful history with the inhabitants of the lands in northern Africa?

 
Meroe;6828408 said:
Ah, well that's unfortunate. Sounds a lot like the caste systems of India. So would you say those kinds of systems are extremely widespread through out Africa?

It's quite unfortunate but yes, reason for most civil wars in Africa.
 
A Talented One;6827969 said:
Cunt_Lyfe;6827279 said:
No. Because we never sold each other into slavery.

http://www.reunionblackfamily.com/apps/blog/show/11782086-we-did-not-sell-each-other-into-slavery

Yes, it's a blog, but it's informative, nonetheless.

Lies and deliberate obfuscation. FoH.

It does not even deny that we sold each other into slavery (as opposed to providing what it considers mitigating considerations).

OK, bruh.

I can see you didn't even read the whole article in depth.

By all means, cook.
 
Buy or sell?

Is your call that Aro pay reparation for slavery not a way to sabotage black people's agitation that Europe and America pay reparation for slavery?

This is not correct. My call will rather strengthen the agitation than sabotage it. This is because it is a call that looks at the historical reality of the situation. The European slave traders only anchored at the high sea and never entered the hinter land.

This is their case.� What about those who brought the slaves to them from the hinterland, should they be exonerated? I believe that the man who sold his kinsman to a foreigner stands to be condemned more than the foreigner, because if the former had not presented his kinsman for sell, probably the foreigner shouldn't have bought him. This is the trust of my call.

Who will the Aro pay the reparation since it was not only the Igbo they enslaved?

Aro slaving activities were markedly centred in the Igbo hinterland and these areas are well known. Any other ethnic group inclusive of Aro slavery activities is only incidental and therefore highly infinitessional to their devastating effects on the soul and land of Igbo people. The reparation should therefore be paid to the Igbo nation, particularly those communities the Aro boisterously claim to have lorded over.

How much do you think Aro should pay?

This is a matter left for international assessors to determine.

What did Aro benefit from slavery?

It is like asking what the Europeans equally benefitted from slavery. Definitely, the Aro gained what the Europeans gained from the trade. Of cause, wealth and land.� The Aro made money from the trade and were adduced to be a wealthy class according to the standards of the time. They also seized and occupied people's lands, like the case of Akpu and Ajalli in Orumba North Local Government Area of Anambra State.


What about the Ohafia, Abam, Edda, Abiriba war leaders?The Ohafia, Abam, Edda, Abiriba including the Item and other such head-hunting sub-groups were never slave traders like the Aro.

Their role was rather that of seizing the opportunity of Aro slaving activities to advance their generic head-hunting culture. In fact, these people were not Aro mercenaries as some writers have claimed, because they were not primarily propelled into going to war by what the Aro would pay them, rather it was the desire for advance in their socio-political status, which required the cutting of human head. A mercenary is one whose primary intention of going to a war which does not concern him is propelled by a payment both in cash and kind.

Won't your revisitation of the past open forgotten wounds?

Definitely not. Rather it will heal. It is especially the one like the Aro case which has refused to be healed. The past must be remembered for the primary purpose of correcting the mistakes of the same past for the benefit of the present and the future. As the Igbo would normally say, any person who does not know where the rain starts to beat him, will never know where it stops to beat him. In fact, it is the Aro that are opening old wounds by holding their heads up as a special people whose ancestors enslaved the whole Igboland.

How much did the slavery affect the Igbo as people and nation?

When you look at the standards such Igbo ex-slaves as Olaudah Equiano, Col. (Dr. ) James Beale Horton and Reverend Taylor the Anglican Missionary to Igbo land attained even under that inhuman condition, at that period, then it becomes difficult to either qualify or quantify what the Igbo lost as a people and nation through slavery and slave trade.

Do you think your call will achieve Igbo unity?

Of course yes. Presently the Igbo have no genuine unity. What we have now is a stereotyped unity in which clannish and not Igbo national interests hold sway, like the case of the Aro wearing dual personality within the comity of Igbo sub-culture groups.

Is there a platform for this campaign?

This is only the result of a research carried out by a Research Fellow from the University of Nigeria, Nsukka, which is followed with a recommendation. It is therefore left to the Igbo nation to determine if the recommendation will be a subject of campaign or not.

Do you think the enslaved Africans now nationals of their various places in the west will agree with you?

I think so, because a lot of them have often erroneously accused every Continental Black African as an accomplice in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Now that the real culprits are being identified, I think they will be even more supportive of the recommendation.


Are you not too hard on the Aro? Even Mbadiwe, Mbonu Ojike?

Our people normally say that truth is bitter. Definitely, for any truth to be bitter, it must be hard. I am therefore only saying the bitter truth which must be hard, and even too hard if those concerned are hard people like Dr. K. O. Mbadiwe and Mazi Mbonu Ojike.

If the Aro show remorse, will you be satisfied?

The matter in question is not a personal concern. It is left to the Igbo nation to decide.

Well, there are many good Aro such Chukwuemeka Ike and your professor?

Well, in like manner there are many good Americans and Europeans like Abraham Lincoln, and William Wilberforce. But the point here is, is their so called goodness enough to now declare that the European slave traders and their American slave holders are innocent of the crimes of slavery and slave trade? Definitely not.

Both Professors Chukwuemeka Ike and James Ijoma reaped profoundly from the primordial juicy benefits of slave trade through their Aro ancestry and therefore cannot now be separated from the rest of Aro because of their so-called goodness. The issue in question concerns a sub-culture group called the Aro, and not individual Aro personalities, like Professors Ike and Ijoma.

You accuse Aro of claiming Ibibio origin but even the Ibibio claim Igbo origin

Linguistically, the Ibibio including the Anang, Efik and Oron belong to the semi-Bantu group, while the Igbo belong to the Kwa group. In other words, it is historically more plausible to say that the Idoma, Edo, Igala, Igbira, Yoruba and a number of the Northern Cross River small language groups claim Igbo origins since being of the same kwa family, than the Ibibio.

Historically, there is no doubt that a number of cross-border migrations occurred between the Igbo and Ibibio over time in the past, like the case of the Aro, leading to some settlements of Igbo origins in Ibibio land, and vice-versa; that definitely does not mean a whole group originating from the other.
 
Garv*;6828444 said:
Darxwell;6827845 said:
Anansi;6827677 said:
Darxwell;6827649 said:
So we gone act like those fucking Ebola carrying chimps didnt sell us off
Meroe;6826807 said:
Personally, I feel like there's a huge difference between an ethnic group (let's not pretend there was anything close to what's considered nigeria before the scramble for Africa) selling off their POW's (prisoner of war)

and

a nation of united ethnicities fully convinced of racial superiority hell bent on using African labor, because they're too superior to do it. I feel like there's a huge mental ramification that transcends generations hasn't really been elaborated on in my opinion....

For example, the difference between: "ok im a slave because we lost a war..." compared to: "ive been indoctrinated my whole life to believe I'm so inferior to these melanin deficient people that slavery is my only option"

basically_logo.jpg

Yea they did, fuck you gon do about it?

I dont need to do shit. The only difference between a porta potty and most African countries is at least the porta potty gets cleaned up after it gets shit on. Cant say the same about Africans.

Niggas talking about reparations from niggas that dont have shit and have to ask the Chinese and Japanese for permission to even GET shit cuz they're the ones that own African now. Jay-Z's daughter probably has shit in her diapers worth more than you spear chucker's average GDP.

Fuck you, and the Yellow Cab you rode in on.

Look at this bitch nigga with his female tendencies, and dp's of women he will never fuck lmao.

^^^ Ran 30 yards down field, looked up, stretched out his arms and caught a hail mary full of feelings

All in a dashiki and dirty sandals...
 
africans sold africans to the white man?

Then that changes everything, the white was entitled to his mistreatment of niggas then /sarcasm....foh

On a more serious note I have found a newer respect for drug dealers, pimips, hoes, & criminals...."FUCK THE WORLD" - 2pac
 
Ol Jay's;6829211 said:
africans sold africans to the white man?

Then that changes everything, the white was entitled to his mistreatment of niggas then /sarcasm....foh

On a more serious note I have found a newer respect for drug dealers, pimips, hoes, & criminals...."FUCK THE WORLD" - 2pac

Man what's wrong with you dudes. Ain't nobody saying that the white man should be let off. I'm saying that the black man (Africans) might owe us too.
 
Darth Sidious;6826783 said:
This has been discussed before.

It's Time to Face the Whole Truth About the Atlantic Slave Trade
http://hnn.us/article/41431

Mr. Stern taught African American history at the college level for a decade before becoming historian at the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum (1977–1999)—where he designed the museum’s first civil rights exhibit. He is the author of Averting ‘the Final Failure’: - See more at:http://hnn.us/article/41431#sthash.Za7GgkJN.dpuf

On June 21, 2007, the Freedom Schooner Amistad began an 18-month “Atlantic Freedom Tour” to retrace the route of the Atlantic slave trade. Owned and operated by AMISTAD America, Inc., the recreated Amistad will visit ports in Canada, England, the United States and West Africa to commemorate the story of the 1839 Amistad revolt and to mark the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the international slave trade in England (1807) and the U.S. (1808). - See more at:http://hnn.us/article/41431#sthash.Za7GgkJN.dpuf

Incomplete depictions of the Atlantic slave trade are, in fact, quite common. My 2003 study of 49 state U.S. history standards revealed that not one of these guides to classroom content even mentioned the key role of Africans in supplying the Atlantic slave trade.3 In Africa itself, however, the slave trade is remembered quite differently. Nigerians, for example, explicitly teach about their own role in the trade:

Where did the supply of slaves come from? First, the Portuguese themselves kidnapped some Africans. But the bulk of the supply came from the Nigerians. These Nigerian middlemen moved to the interior where they captured other Nigerians who belonged to other communities. The middlemen also purchased many of the slaves from the people in the interior . . . . Many Nigerian middlemen began to depend totally on the slave trade and neglected every other business and occupation. The result was that when the trade was abolished [by England in 1807] these Nigerians began to protest. As years went by and the trade collapsed such Nigerians lost their sources of income and became impoverished. 4

The historical record is incontrovertible—as documented in the PBS Africans in America series companion book:

The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa . . . . And by the fifteenth century, men with dark skin had become quite comfortable with the concept of man as property . . . . Long before the arrival of Europeans on West Africa’s coast, the two continents shared a common acceptance of slavery as an unavoidable and necessary—perhaps even desirable—fact of existence. The commerce between the two continents, as tragic as it would become, developed upon familiar territory. Slavery was not a twisted European manipulation, although Europe capitalized on a mutual understanding and greedily expanded the slave trade into what would become a horrific enterprise . . . . It was a thunder that had no sound. Tribe stalked tribe, and eventually more than 20 million Africans would be kidnapped in their own homeland. 10

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goddamn so the nigerians were in protest when the white man was saying the slave trade had to come to an end?

shit like this makes u wanna look deeper behind 'common knowledge' and commercial education if u dont already.
 
the slave trade should be taught more thoroughly BUT regardless of who participated in the slave trade its a separate issue from the racism and treatment of minorities today.

if u ask me the ghettos of america are a set up that occurred when the black panthers fell (due to an intimidated, racist, predominantly white, corrupted system) which was wayyyyy after the very last slave trade.

doesnt matter who did what to get african americans enslaved in the U.S. what matters most is the inequality african americans in general face today and what needs to be done about it and reparations arent gonna fix that.
 
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