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Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407208 said:Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Brother_Five;9407210 said:obnoxiouslyfresh;9407208 said:Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the fuck should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
leftcoastkev;9407214 said:The bottom line is him waving in his stance in ANY type of compromise (even expressing too much sympathy for rape victims) opens the door for the perception of self accountability. NEVER allow yourself to be manipulated into being accountable for something you didn't do.
In situations like these the less that is said the better...whether the movie sells or not. Because once you express any sort of self accountability the media will be there like hawks to spin it....and he'll be stuck explaining his previous explanations....and eventually the more it happens he'll look like a liar no matter if he's being truthful or not.
I'm probably not even going to see the movie in the theatre...but I'm damn sure going to buy some tickets on line to support the brother even if they go to waste.
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407204 said:Trillfate;9407177 said:Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about rape, taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407217 said:Brother_Five;9407210 said:obnoxiouslyfresh;9407208 said:Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the fuck should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
I have no interest in arguing with you, dumb dumb. Cause the bolded questions show how simple you are and ready to jump in and argue against a point that WAS NOT MADE. I didn't say he should do anything. In fact, I said he doesn't have to do anything. I was explaining Robin's line of questioning. He is on a PRESS TOUR because he wants people to see his film. That is his overarching goal. There are people who will not see it because of how he comes across about a serious issue. If he was innocent of the allegations, I can see where he would struggle to put voice to a concern that not only did he not do but was found not guilty of. But his attitude is so off putting. No one is cornering him in a bathroom. He has a stage that he keeps getting on himself. He's doing himself no favors with this movie.
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407217 said:Brother_Five;9407210 said:obnoxiouslyfresh;9407208 said:Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the fuck should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
I have no interest in arguing with you, dumb dumb. Cause the bolded questions show how simple you are and ready to jump in and argue against a point that WAS NOT MADE. I didn't say he should do anything. In fact, I said he doesn't have to do anything. I was explaining Robin's line of questioning. He is on a PRESS TOUR because he wants people to see his film. That is his overarching goal. There are people who will not see it because of how he comes across about a serious issue. If he was innocent of the allegations, I can see where he would struggle to put voice to a concern that not only did he not do but was found not guilty of. But his attitude is so off putting. No one is cornering him in a bathroom. He has a stage that he keeps getting on himself. He's doing himself no favors with this movie.
Brother_Five;9407226 said:First off my nigga u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the fuck could he possibly say about this shit to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb shit
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407227 said:Brother_Five;9407226 said:First off my nigga u r arguing with me
Second stop trying to make this about you and your specific word choices
Robins line of questioning is meant to make Nate look worse
There is nothing wrong with his responses if he believes he is innocent
He has addressed the issue numerous times so my questions are valid
Why are u ppl expecting contrition and empathy when he has stated numerous times that he is innocent?
What the fuck could he possibly say about this shit to make the fake outrage go away?
The outrage is fake
The expectations are fake
And it's sad how black ppl just fall in line with the dumb shit
Well I can think of a dozen or so famous men who have been accused of rape who I do not find repulsive and whose work I can still indulge. Outrage is over the top. I just have no interest in looking at him for 2 hours.
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407204 said:Trillfate;9407177 said:Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about rape, taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
obnoxiouslyfresh;9407204 said:Trillfate;9407177 said:Im sorry if that offended you, Queen. And Im sorry that insult offended you more than a so called black reporter acting as a white supremacist mouthpiece did.
She didn't act as a white supremacist anything. What she did was present him with an opportunity. She asked him to speak to those people who are struggling with the idea of supporting his film because of what they perceive as a lack of empathy on his part. That is the essence of his responses. Guilty or not, he is missing an opportunity to gain a plethora of support just by speaking out about rape, taking responsibility for engaging in risky behavior and having empathy for contributing to an environment that resulted in awful consequences for those involved.
He doesn't have to do any of this. And people don't have to watch his movie. In a vacuum, that sounds all well and good. But he DOES want people to see his film and those people want to hear certain things. That's where it gets complex. Unfortunately, he's not doing a good job of selling the film. He's smug and insufferable. At this point, I would rather watch Charlie Manson play Mandela.
Brother_Five;9407210 said:obnoxiouslyfresh;9407208 said:Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
Find the word apologize in my post.
Don't try to play word games or do mental gymnastics with me fam
Why the fuck should he feel empathy for someone who (in his eyes) tried to ruin his life?
Why should he take the opportunity to be remorseful for some shot that you all imagined?
Also, the fact that u hold unrepentant convicted lunatic Charles Manson in higher regard than this dude shows how easily manipulated the population is
Brother_Five;9407206 said:Fuck out of here
U don't give ppl an opportunity to apologize for some shit they said they didn't do
If u did that in real life it would be a fucking problem
These folks got y'all all twisted and confused
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-rape-charges-consent#axzz4MIp1FCt3I’m trying to absorb a lot of information. I watched The Hunting Ground. I read Roxane Gay’s open letter, I read Maiysha Kai’s open letter, I read Demetria D’Oyley. Just to really…what do I need to learn about the situation? If I’m really down…if I’m really serious about changing my attitude, if I’m really serious that those comments are wrong, then what do I need to be feeling? And how do I get to that place that there’s an assault against women?
So I sat my daughter down and I talked about this specific situation, it wasn’t the first time because when she became a certain age I talked about it to her anyway. But I said you know, I gotta look at the situation as an opportunity to grow and become more empathetic and more sensitive to issues to that are outside of my everyday, and I don’t want to send you to college and say, “Be careful and watch out.” I said that, for one, when you’re in a relationship with someone you have to be in control of that relationship and you have to be as open as you can about everything, straight up, out the gate. We have a very unique relationship because I don’t ever want her to feel like she can’t come to me, so I allow her to talk to me about everything, which is hard. Being a woman in 2016 if very different, imagine being a woman 20 years ago, and when we talk about consent, maybe 20 years from now we’ll know things about consent and examine it from a different perspective than we are now.
I’ll say this, this whole situation I’m approaching from a standpoint of humility. I’m sorry for all the women who are survivors who felt hurt by my words because they were insensitive and they were nonchalant.
EBONY.com: I think the thing that could have perhaps handled this differently is if you came off more contrite from the jump. Like you said, if you had more empathy from the beginning, or if it wasn’t as self-focused…
Nate Parker: But you know what, I was…
EBONY.com: So why did you give those two interviews first? Because I feel like I had read some articles [about the rape case], but it wasn’t like this thing, until…
Nate Parker: This is hard; I’ve been trying to figure out how to say this. Not everyone has the best intentions. I thought I was giving the interview, at the time of those two interviews–and one really just bit off the other–I didn’t know the status of the women. I didn’t know. I was acting as if I was the victim, and that’s wrong. I was acting as if I was the victim because I felt like, my only thought was I’m innocent and everyone needs to know. I didn’t even think for a second about her, not even for a second.
You asked me why I wasn’t empathetic? Why didn’t it come off more empathetic? Because I wasn’t being empathetic. Why didn’t it come off more contrite? Because I wasn’t being contrite. Maybe I was being even arrogant. And learning about her passing shook me, it really did. It really shook me.