Denzel Washington: Don't Blame The Prison System, 'It Starts At The Home'

[CapitalB]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

 

[7figz]

It's a damn shame when you got @CapitalB, @blackrain, and @Madame_CJSkywalker all on the same page and you still in here not gettin' the shit.

nigga u too! we dont always see eye to eye. lol

Facts. I meant to put me in there too.

I done went at it before wit all TREE-a-yall.

 

[CapitalB]

It's a damn shame when you got @CapitalB, @blackrain, and @Madame_CJSkywalker all on the same page and you still in here not gettin' the shit.

nigga u too! we dont always see eye to eye. lol

Facts. I meant to put me in there too.

I done went at it with all TREE of yall.

i really tried to stay away from this shit and today i started goin through the pages and even on pg 2 that fuck nigga a.mann said some real shit.

this shit shouldnt be up for debate on a black hiphop site.

these BACs suffer from stockholmes or somethin..

 

[blackrain]

Because the phrase "deserve rape" will never be true...but your overall point is true in terms of who people hold more accountable for shit. I think goes back into a reoccurring theme which is people know they're the ones responsible for putting these politicians in place either through action or inaction thus meaning blaming them is also blaming themselves and their shitty decision making...and people hate personal accountability. A sports team you don't put that together yourself so it's easier to blame w/o guilt. A movie you not writing the script so if it sucks it ain't your fault. Just the same theme coming up over and over again

well they sayin niggas “deserve jail” its basically the same shit..

but because u identify wit the female u wont allow urself to see the correlation.

No because there is some shit that you do deserve jail over...like let's say raping somebody...but in no way does a person ever deserve to be raped. It's not the same thing

 

[CapitalB]

Because the phrase "deserve rape" will never be true...but your overall point is true in terms of who people hold more accountable for shit. I think goes back into a reoccurring theme which is people know they're the ones responsible for putting these politicians in place either through action or inaction thus meaning blaming them is also blaming themselves and their shitty decision making...and people hate personal accountability. A sports team you don't put that together yourself so it's easier to blame w/o guilt. A movie you not writing the script so if it sucks it ain't your fault. Just the same theme coming up over and over again

well they sayin niggas “deserve jail” its basically the same shit..

but because u identify wit the female u wont allow urself to see the correlation.

No because there is some shit that you do deserve jail over...like let's say raping somebody...but in no way does a person ever deserve to be raped. It's not the same thing

in no way do black people deserve the shit they been subjected to and act out of as a consequence..

 

[okaay]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

 

[CapitalB]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

why are these discussions always so binary

i'd agree character is formed in the home, formed by your environment, by your family. but when those building blocks of character were destroyed/crippled by poverty, chronic unemployment, racism and bad government policy for hundreds of years .... what you get is broken homes for generations

and when you have a justice system that tends to disproportionately police, harass, arrest, punish one segment of the population more than another, you are going to create more broken homes and perpetuate more systemic inequalities

would things be better if parents could do more and ppl made better decisions? yes. obviously. but it's unrealistic to argue the average person can overcome the effects of racism; living in a poor neighborhoods with shitty schools and high crime rates; a poor diet..... especially when working class/ poor parents generally lack the time, money and education required to parent efficiently in america

in this thread we got The Blacks vs The BACs hahaha

Damn I gotta be a bac because I don't depend on white people for my freedom? LMAO...

You make it too easy...

stawp

living in america means appeasing some white folk is required, considering we have to live among quite a few

and don't act like with one false report you couldn't be thrown in prison, or for decades well into the late 40s, after slavery supposedly ended, blk ppl by the thousands arrested and thrown into prison or labor camps for "crimes" such as homelessness or loitering

it's about holding the systems and ppl responsible for the creation and outcome of these systems accountable

So it's unrealistic to expect people to be strong??? and not fall to the traps of their environment. History is what it is and that won't change so we cannot keep using history as an excuse. If a parent cannot effectively disciple their children then it's their fault not the systems and when those children grow up if they continue to fuck up then it's their fault not the systems.

THE SYSTEM is unfair but life has never been fair and never will be.

if the system is helping to create and perpetuate broken homes, poverty, etc which produces at risk youth...how can you absolve the system of any blame????

you're oversimplifying the complexities of human agency....failing to properly acknowledge the social forces, relationships, institutions and elements of social structure that work together to shape the thought, behavior and experiences, choices and overall life experiences of ppl

ppl need to be strong, but they also need advocates

 

[okaay]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Depends who else in that box!

Which question I avoid? Scroll back up I ain’t dodge shit!

 

[7figz]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Same shit I was thinking. I tried typing a response to that MF but I couldn't dumb down my post enough - said fuck it.

 

[okaay]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Same shit I was thinking. I tried typing a response to that MF but I couldn't dumb down my post enough - said fuck it.

Without asking for help, what I say that was dumb?

 

[Ajackson17]

I blame black people because we sold ourselves to be slaves, we created Jim Crow Laws because we couldn't handle being free, we created Cointelpro because we need to be surveillance, we created anti-drug laws because we needed to be controlled, we created the housing bubble and done damage to ourselves and oh we destroyed Wall Street.....

wait..nah that was White Folks, my bad.

 

[7figz]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Same shit I was thinking. I tried typing a response to that MF but I couldn't dumb down my post enough - said fuck it.

Without asking for help, what I say that was dumb?

Look at the thread title MF. You can't see how this shit is related to police ?

Right... dumb as fuck.

 

[aneed123]

i understand the im not gonna knock for trying point capitol made. cool... but if u do something that u know the risk off and get caught aint no blaming whitr folk... u take the risk u take the consequence... thats my stance on it. im the most pro black nigga u will meet. everything yall saying i know and agree with most of it.

 

[sunlord]

why are these discussions always so binary

i'd agree character is formed in the home, formed by your environment, by your family. but when those building blocks of character were destroyed/crippled by poverty, chronic unemployment, racism and bad government policy for hundreds of years .... what you get is broken homes for generations

and when you have a justice system that tends to disproportionately police, harass, arrest, punish one segment of the population more than another, you are going to create more broken homes and perpetuate more systemic inequalities

would things be better if parents could do more and ppl made better decisions? yes. obviously. but it's unrealistic to argue the average person can overcome the effects of racism; living in a poor neighborhoods with shitty schools and high crime rates; a poor diet..... especially when working class/ poor parents generally lack the time, money and education required to parent efficiently in america

in this thread we got The Blacks vs The BACs hahaha

Damn I gotta be a bac because I don't depend on white people for my freedom? LMAO...

You make it too easy...

stawp

living in america means appeasing some white folk is required, considering we have to live among quite a few

and don't act like with one false report you couldn't be thrown in prison, or for decades well into the late 40s, after slavery supposedly ended, blk ppl by the thousands arrested and thrown into prison or labor camps for "crimes" such as homelessness or loitering

it's about holding the systems and ppl responsible for the creation and outcome of these systems accountable

So it's unrealistic to expect people to be strong??? and not fall to the traps of their environment. History is what it is and that won't change so we cannot keep using history as an excuse. If a parent cannot effectively disciple their children then it's their fault not the systems and when those children grow up if they continue to fuck up then it's their fault not the systems.

THE SYSTEM is unfair but life has never been fair and never will be.

if the system is helping to create and perpetuate broken homes, poverty, etc which produces at risk youth...how can you absolve the system of any blame????

you're oversimplifying the complexities of human agency....failing to properly acknowledge the social forces, relationships, institutions and elements of social structure that work together to shape the thought, behavior and experiences, choices and overall life experiences of ppl

ppl need to be strong, but they also need advocates

I don't believe the system is doing that..... broken homes are the results of adults making choices that pull them apart. Which then increases the odds of their children growing up in poverty.

I THINK you are undervaluing the personal responsibility of black people you are treating us like children. Only children have their thoughts shaped adults make their lives what they want them to be. There are hurdles in life but you don't blame a hurdle for being a hurdle you simply jump over it and if you fall you get up and jump again.

 

[7figz]

i understand the im not gonna knock for trying point capitol made. cool... but if u do something that u know the risk off and get caught aint no blaming whitr folk... u take the risk u take the consequence... thats my stance on it. im the most pro black nigga u will meet. everything yall saying i know and agree with most of it.

Ain't no way you could be the most pro Black MF when @Ajackson17 schoolin you on the topic.

 

[okaay]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Same shit I was thinking. I tried typing a response to that MF but I couldn't dumb down my post enough - said fuck it.

Without asking for help, what I say that was dumb?

Look at the thread title MF. You can't see how this shit is related to police ?

Right... dumb as fuck.

You sure it ain’t related to mass incarceration?

Maybe your right and I’m the dumb one. Lol, nigga Im just kidding it’s you!

 

[sunlord]

You niggas have your own twist version of what being pro-black is ain't shit pro-black about blaming white people for everything. PRO-BLACK means getting off your ass taking responsibility for yourself and your community and improving your situation so that you can effectively compete with the other races/groups in this world.

 

[7figz]

its another group of people who say shit like “well i never had a problem wit the police so ‘them people’ must be doin somethin wrong.”

say shit like “well i made it they have no excuse.”

yeh..

u niggas is BACs.

But we ain’t talking about police though are we?

We ain’t talking about who made it out and who didn’t are we?

We talking about black people being held accountable for how our lives turn out.

u aint the brightest crayon in the box are u!!?

and dont think i dont notice u dodgin my posts to u.

Same shit I was thinking. I tried typing a response to that MF but I couldn't dumb down my post enough - said fuck it.

Without asking for help, what I say that was dumb?

Look at the thread title MF. You can't see how this shit is related to police ?

Right... dumb as fuck.

You sure it ain’t related to mass incarceration?

Maybe your right and I’m the dumb one. Lol, nigga Im just kidding it’s you!

Right... and police have nothing at all to do with incarceration.

Keep diggin' that hole genius.

 

[okaay]

Instead of being wrong yall rather argue a point in which you ain’t wrong about but just has nothing to do with the topic at hand.