Denzel Washington: Don't Blame The Prison System, 'It Starts At The Home'

[twenty2]

Technically speaking... We can't "fix" the system.

It's not broken...

That bitch is working exactly as it was designed to. There is NOTHING we can do to "fix" it. And it never will BE "fixed". That muthafucka gon' keep runnin like a well-oiled machine. But do that mean we gotta supply the coggs?

What we CAN do is teach each other and our children how to avoid that shit to the best of our and their abilities. And yes...it CAN be avoided. And contrary to how y'all presentin y'all argument...they not just goin around door to door lockin up random niggas. Do some innocent people get caught up in that shit? Yes. But how many? Show me THOSE numbers. THOSE are who we should fight for. Any innocents killed or abused... THOSE are who we should march/protest/riot for.

Niggas is actually in here fightin for our right to do crime! LMAO! And yes, by sayin "But they..."/"But White..."/"But Italian..."/"But everybody else..." is exactly what that sounds like. Well allow me to say fuck them AND everybody else cuz I don't care about THEM like I care about MY people. We shouldn't be worried about what other muhfuckas can "get away with" seeing as it does not and will not affect us the same way. Nah...it's not fair... We get that. I don't think anybody in here is saying that it is. What we are saying is, since we know that, what we CAN do is teach our shorties how fucked up this system is and to put they best foot forward in attempts to stay far the fuck away from it.

Check this...

If a chick gets fair warning that at the weekly frat party they routinely drug and rape all but a certain demographic of women (that SHE'S not part of mind you), and they got friends in high places so they never get punished, yet she goes anyway...and indeed gets drugged and raped...but SHE contests that "Well it's my right to party too." or "Well they don't rape them other bitches! Why they rapin me and my kind?"... Would that be an acceptable enough explanation? Now... Let's say she goes back week after week after week... After seein it happen to other chicks... After it happening to HER... What would you think? What if your mother, your sister, your DAUGHTER wanted to go? And that's not to say "rape is ok"... But when you know what it is and you know the muthafuckas behind it got immunity... What's the common sense thing to do?

All this you typed and didnt say a damn thing smh. Like i've been saying, every race commits crimes. Other races dont have these dumb azz internal debates on how they can stop each from breaking the law. You know why? Because YOU CANT STOP PPL FROM COMMITTING CRIMES. What you can do is work to change the conditions in which ppl feel crime is their only option. But human beings are going to break the fuckin law. Mass incareration is a BUSINESS designed to destroy poor/black communities

Well shit... You wanna commit crime, go right ahead nigga. Have a blast.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

accountability is rare currency across the board..



from how people conduct themselves in relationships(all of them)

pitfalls do to their choices

or even trivial shit...

This is considered coon talk sir

By who, and how so ?

I doubt any normal person on here would call being accountable "coon shit", but generalizing Black people as being unaccountable - yeah coon shit. Or acting like systematic racism has no part in it or downplaying it - yeah coon shit.

No one said that though.

Didnt say you did bruh. It wasn't necessarily directed to you. I was explaining the context of MFs saying some shit is coon shit. It's not just when a MF says somebody should be accountable - MFs be sayin some extra shit.

Who said it in here though... everything aint coon shit because you have a point of disagreement to it.. niggas have away of redefining shit...

Bruh... ask Cain who said what he bolded was considered coon talk.

See my point ?

I said what I said.

We are quick to throw ALL our issues on racism. Yet when it's time to do the proverbial "man in the mirror" test it's no one wanting to take accountability. If YOU out here selling drugs and getting caught it's YOUR fault nobody else to blame. If it started at home instilling in our youth financial empowerment, education and self pride a lot of our issues would not be as bad

Yet saying WE need to take accountability niggas fatherless feelings get hurt.

If we talking about self-accountability, lets talk to the MFs in here right now.

Anybody in here dealing drugs and blaming it on racism ?

And if you think racism has nothing to do with the drug problem, there's plenty of research to the contrary.

And as far as the "WE" shit, how you gonna expect somebody to be accountable for somebody else's action. You need to be talkin to the MFs doing that shit and saying that shit to say they need to take accountability.

Somebody's else action? Nigga Denzel is talking about the issues in our community and niggas in here are saying but but but what about racism. That's like a cracka saying what about black on black crime

Voilà!! Touchè!! Thank you!!

THEY DONT WANT TO TAKE THEIR PART OF RESPONSIBILITY!!

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

Fuck that damn straight I blame the system as far as the overall community goes. On an individual basis yes personal responsibility plays but having your father, mothers, leaders, imprisoned or killed does no help. Such system was systematic put in place to specifically weaken the community.

YOU ARE DODGING THE SUBJECT. This thread is not about that.

Ertime a nigga is calling his own to take THEIR PART OF RESPONSIBILITY some iggas out here come with the SAME POSTS about racism and oppression.

Cowards

 

[rip.dilla]

Technically speaking... We can't "fix" the system.

It's not broken...

That bitch is working exactly as it was designed to. There is NOTHING we can do to "fix" it. And it never will BE "fixed". That muthafucka gon' keep runnin like a well-oiled machine. But do that mean we gotta supply the coggs?

What we CAN do is teach each other and our children how to avoid that shit to the best of our and their abilities. And yes...it CAN be avoided. And contrary to how y'all presentin y'all argument...they not just goin around door to door lockin up random niggas. Do some innocent people get caught up in that shit? Yes. But how many? Show me THOSE numbers. THOSE are who we should fight for. Any innocents killed or abused... THOSE are who we should march/protest/riot for.

Niggas is actually in here fightin for our right to do crime! LMAO! And yes, by sayin "But they..."/"But White..."/"But Italian..."/"But everybody else..." is exactly what that sounds like. Well allow me to say fuck them AND everybody else cuz I don't care about THEM like I care about MY people. We shouldn't be worried about what other muhfuckas can "get away with" seeing as it does not and will not affect us the same way. Nah...it's not fair... We get that. I don't think anybody in here is saying that it is. What we are saying is, since we know that, what we CAN do is teach our shorties how fucked up this system is and to put they best foot forward in attempts to stay far the fuck away from it.

Check this...

If a chick gets fair warning that at the weekly frat party they routinely drug and rape all but a certain demographic of women (that SHE'S not part of mind you), and they got friends in high places so they never get punished, yet she goes anyway...and indeed gets drugged and raped...but SHE contests that "Well it's my right to party too." or "Well they don't rape them other bitches! Why they rapin me and my kind?"... Would that be an acceptable enough explanation? Now... Let's say she goes back week after week after week... After seein it happen to other chicks... After it happening to HER... What would you think? What if your mother, your sister, your DAUGHTER wanted to go? And that's not to say "rape is ok"... But when you know what it is and you know the muthafuckas behind it got immunity... What's the common sense thing to do?

All this you typed and didnt say a damn thing smh. Like i've been saying, every race commits crimes. Other races dont have these dumb azz internal debates on how they can stop each from breaking the law. You know why? Because YOU CANT STOP PPL FROM COMMITTING CRIMES. What you can do is work to change the conditions in which ppl feel crime is their only option. But human beings are going to break the fuckin law. Mass incareration is a BUSINESS designed to destroy poor/black communities

Well shit... You wanna commit crime, go right ahead nigga. Have a blast.

Hahahahaha. This made me burst out laughing in public

 

[LPast]

Based on some of the posts in this thread, I need to invest in some of these prisons...

 

[loch121]

Harry O the gangster hustler put Denzel on so there's that.

 

[sunlord]

and lil nigga still bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LreVHr9sAwc

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Denzel explained what he said and y’all still not getting it lmao

Its always a bunch of denial in threads like these.

Why yall mad tho? What he said about "it starting at home" and "It’s unfortunate that we make such easy work for them" is valid. I mean shit the black American family structure is all the way fucked up & broken. By having generations of single mother households where EVERYONE has a different last name and non existent fathers, Blacks do make it easy for our kids to fall victim to the system.

Some of yall acting like just because he didn't list every single reason for our oppression, then that automatically makes his belief invalid.

 

[7figz]

Yall goin above and beyond to give dude the benefit of the doubt.

There's a whole lot of shit you could blame the system for.

The shit was oversimplification at best and coon shit at worst.

 

[rip.dilla]

As for me though Denzel is that nigga... he put his money where his mouth is especially as regards young Black people. Y'all need to check out his philanthropy with Black students in HBCUs

And him making Fences (producing, acting & directing)...

 

[7figz]

Willie D. droppin knowledge for yall slow ig'nant narrow-minded coonish MFs

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Yall goin above and beyond to give dude the benefit of the doubt.

There's a whole lot of shit you could blame the system for.

The shit was oversimplification at best and coon shit at worst.

but why does he need to go into details?

we all know what it is

 

[Shizlansky]

Willie D. droppin knowledge for yall slow ig'nant narrow-minded coonish MFs

What Denzel done for the black community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What Willie D done for the black community

 

[7figz]

Willie D. droppin knowledge for yall slow ig'nant narrow-minded coonish MFs

What Denzel done for the black community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What Willie D done for the black community

What does that have to do with a debate about mass incarceration of Black people ?

If I donated more to Black charities, not that you could prove that shit or that it matters, would that mean that any statement I make about Black people is true and yours is false ?

Of course not. Smh with that logic.

 

[7figz]

Yall goin above and beyond to give dude the benefit of the doubt.

There's a whole lot of shit you could blame the system for.

The shit was oversimplification at best and coon shit at worst.

but why does he need to go into details?

we all know what it is

Because he said you can't blame the system. When you say shit like that, you need to go in to detail.

That's like saying "I can't blame cops... it starts at home."

It's a damn shame this shit gotta be explained - especially to any Black person. MFs clearly agreed they all for having strong homes, and MFs still holding they ground to support a reckless ass statement. Pride is a MF.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Yall goin above and beyond to give dude the benefit of the doubt.

There's a whole lot of shit you could blame the system for.

The shit was oversimplification at best and coon shit at worst.

but why does he need to go into details?

we all know what it is

Because he said you can't blame the system. When you say shit like that, you need to go in to detail.

That's like saying "I can't blame cops... it starts at home."

It's a damn shame this shit gotta be explained - especially to any Black person. MFs clearly agreed they all for having strong homes, and MFs still holding they ground to support a reckless ass statement. Pride is a MF.

at a certain point you cant blame the system ...at other points you can.

does that make his whole argument void?

nah.....it has truth just like you have truth...

but the real truth is......we are all black so it dont matter hen them racists come.

 

[7figz]

Yall goin above and beyond to give dude the benefit of the doubt.

There's a whole lot of shit you could blame the system for.

The shit was oversimplification at best and coon shit at worst.

but why does he need to go into details?

we all know what it is

Because he said you can't blame the system. When you say shit like that, you need to go in to detail.

That's like saying "I can't blame cops... it starts at home."

It's a damn shame this shit gotta be explained - especially to any Black person. MFs clearly agreed they all for having strong homes, and MFs still holding they ground to support a reckless ass statement. Pride is a MF.

at a certain point you cant blame the system ...at other points you can.

does that make his whole argument void?

nah.....it has truth just like you have truth...

but the real truth is......we are all black so it dont matter hen them racists come.

He made multiple statements. 1 that most people agree with (about having a strong home) and 1 that was irresponsible and sounded like it was absolving systemic racism - the part that got Black critics pissed and got all these white racist media outlets cheering him now.

Look into the conversations on twitter about it - you'll see why he's getting heat for this shit.

So to answer your question, saying you can't blame the system is a void argument. Saying kids should have both parents is not.

Dude made an ignorant ass statement.

 

[matt mane]

Denzel kept it a buck

 

[jetlifebih]

Denzel is right tho....

He's like the uncle that tells you some real shit at the cookout and it's too much to bear so you try and hit him with your best "well matter of fact" but know he raised too good a point...

Like the uncle who still think you can graduate high school and find a job that pays enough to take care of yourself like he did...

Thinks we have respectable black public figures to model ourselves after like they had Malcolm Martin Elijah and many mores who may have passed right before they were born but their presence was still felt in the community....

The uncle who grew up in a climate when the thing to be was a rnb singer for Motown and not a trap rapper who never sold a nickel....

Yeah you know what’s going on huh unc...

My thing is we don’t tried to get our family straight and every single time...you can check history....every time we are around the corner getting our shit straight, a deliberate counter action is exercised or executed that disrupts our progress....and mfs come 50-70 years later talking about it starts at home with family , children need father figures, can’t blame the system...

Uncle Denzel....have a seat somewhere, let somebody in the know make those critiques, and just support, no independent thoughts or comments necessary

 

[Shizlansky]

“It’s starts at home”

“We making it easy for them”

Why does this offend you niggas?