Denzel Washington: Don't Blame The Prison System, 'It Starts At The Home'

[The_Jackal]

If you don't listen you will feel i am just going to leave it at that.

Im not going to listen to something thats wrong. You are wrong and you should be ashamed to copy the same talking points whites use and for having a general lack of knowledge of Black history in America

 

[sunlord]

The government flooded the Black community with drugs but nobody made us sell or use those drugs..... and the viciousness at which we killed each other for them is all our fault. All races do crime but niggas took shit to the pit of hell and made the communities hell.

Again foolishness that attempts to disregard America's history. Yes of course you first point is correct but if you have no other way to provide for your family what are you expected to do? I'll drop a little note to explain. All through NJ at least on record schools are desergrated but off record it's a different story. Even in my town there were two public schools, one in my part of town and one in the noticeably whiter part of town. Guess which school the majority of blacks went to. Then guess which school had overall better funding. These has been and continues to go on.

History is what it is and it's never going to change so are you going to use history as a scapegoat forever??? And by the way Blacks were poorer in the past poverty in the 1970s - 1980s was nothing compared to the depression era but we didn't kill each other so much as we did during the crack era and forward. You being poor doesn't justify murder and it is the killings that caused even black politicians to push for harder jail sentences during the crack era.

This is why I put that timeline in the previous post and said niggas aren't as smart as they think. It's not history this continues to effect present day but niggas are too blind to connect that dots. Mandatory minimum were repealed only in 2010 under the free sentencing act though some states illegally still push it. Under said laws even recreational marijuana uses was punishable up to 5 years in prison which judges usually pushed for since they also had stock in the prison industrial complex. For just using a dime bag for recreational use and taking a plea since most werent able to afford lawyers you are cut off from the job market and then cut off form receiving aid for higher education. This continues to go on today with overzealous DAs and corrupt judges. Facts.

As far as your second part you continue to oversimplify the world and refuse to truly look at history. Historically crime rates were lower specifically murder rates because we don't see a major advance in weaponry until ww2/Vietnam and secondly because by the 70s and 80s government sponsored crack dealers were actively destroying Black communities and Black families on purpose.

I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for niggas to admit that "hey for the majority of Black history and even to an extent today in American we have been hated and actively tried to be destroy."

Nobody literally NOBODY in this thread is arguing against personal responsibility simply saying don't be blind to what's happening and what continued to happen. And that YOU CAN BE RESPONSIBLE AND STILL FAIL. You can try your damn hardest and still fail. That's the reality of being Black in America

What's happening is that even after blacks learn the history we keep on doing dumb shit. And want to blame the government who we already know doesn't give a fuck. We have know about the governmental involvement in the drug trade since about the mid 80's but niggas kept on selling drugs and killing for it.

Weed is illegal if you use it and get caught you face the consequence. Everyone who smokes knows that. Black Government sponsored crack dealers came from what community??? The Black community so in other words that community produced an individual of low moral character. Where did this person come from a black home.

And your technology arguments make no sense America had gun crime well before the ww2.

There go that losing ass argument - "We keep doing dumb shit"... who the fuck is we ?

There's drug dealers of every fuckin race - there ain't gonna be no Black drug dealers ?

All races smoke weed, same question.

Self-hatred like a MF.

All races do all that shit but when we do it our communities turn into shooting galleries.... and that's a significant difference I tried to point out. if we could do crime the way the Italians did it or the Chinese did it we would be much better off but noooo blacks have such a low regard for each other that the places were we live continue to have higher murder rates than any place else. Why??? Low moral character created in the home. Are there outside forces pulling at the souls of young black men?? Yes but if the moral fiber of our men was stronger it wouldn't be this bad.

White drug dealers don't move like black drug dealers. White drug dealers don't have the same amount of societal hatred directed at them. But that has nothing to do with us we have to move smarter.

 

[sunlord]

Who is "we" ?? we are the people/community/homes that keep creating people of low character and weakness that cannot compete in the real world so they do crime.

 

[7figz]

Who is "we" ?? we are the people/community/homes that keep creating people of low character and weakness that cannot compete in the real world so they do crime.

If your "we" includes people who ain't doing that shit but doesn't include the systematic racism and conditions that attribute to it then you full of shit.

Unless you talking to the individuals who are actually doing the shit and holding them responsible, then what the fuck you really talmbout with the "we" shit ?

 

[7figz]

The government flooded the Black community with drugs but nobody made us sell or use those drugs..... and the viciousness at which we killed each other for them is all our fault. All races do crime but niggas took shit to the pit of hell and made the communities hell.

Again foolishness that attempts to disregard America's history. Yes of course you first point is correct but if you have no other way to provide for your family what are you expected to do? I'll drop a little note to explain. All through NJ at least on record schools are desergrated but off record it's a different story. Even in my town there were two public schools, one in my part of town and one in the noticeably whiter part of town. Guess which school the majority of blacks went to. Then guess which school had overall better funding. These has been and continues to go on.

History is what it is and it's never going to change so are you going to use history as a scapegoat forever??? And by the way Blacks were poorer in the past poverty in the 1970s - 1980s was nothing compared to the depression era but we didn't kill each other so much as we did during the crack era and forward. You being poor doesn't justify murder and it is the killings that caused even black politicians to push for harder jail sentences during the crack era.

This is why I put that timeline in the previous post and said niggas aren't as smart as they think. It's not history this continues to effect present day but niggas are too blind to connect that dots. Mandatory minimum were repealed only in 2010 under the free sentencing act though some states illegally still push it. Under said laws even recreational marijuana uses was punishable up to 5 years in prison which judges usually pushed for since they also had stock in the prison industrial complex. For just using a dime bag for recreational use and taking a plea since most werent able to afford lawyers you are cut off from the job market and then cut off form receiving aid for higher education. This continues to go on today with overzealous DAs and corrupt judges. Facts.

As far as your second part you continue to oversimplify the world and refuse to truly look at history. Historically crime rates were lower specifically murder rates because we don't see a major advance in weaponry until ww2/Vietnam and secondly because by the 70s and 80s government sponsored crack dealers were actively destroying Black communities and Black families on purpose.

I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for niggas to admit that "hey for the majority of Black history and even to an extent today in American we have been hated and actively tried to be destroy."

Nobody literally NOBODY in this thread is arguing against personal responsibility simply saying don't be blind to what's happening and what continued to happen. And that YOU CAN BE RESPONSIBLE AND STILL FAIL. You can try your damn hardest and still fail. That's the reality of being Black in America

What's happening is that even after blacks learn the history we keep on doing dumb shit. And want to blame the government who we already know doesn't give a fuck. We have know about the governmental involvement in the drug trade since about the mid 80's but niggas kept on selling drugs and killing for it.

Weed is illegal if you use it and get caught you face the consequence. Everyone who smokes knows that. Black Government sponsored crack dealers came from what community??? The Black community so in other words that community produced an individual of low moral character. Where did this person come from a black home.

And your technology arguments make no sense America had gun crime well before the ww2.

There go that losing ass argument - "We keep doing dumb shit"... who the fuck is we ?

There's drug dealers of every fuckin race - there ain't gonna be no Black drug dealers ?

All races smoke weed, same question.

Self-hatred like a MF.

All races do all that shit but when we do it our communities turn into shooting galleries.... and that's a significant difference I tried to point out. if we could do crime the way the Italians did it or the Chinese did it we would be much better off but noooo blacks have such a low regard for each other that the places were we live continue to have higher murder rates than any place else. Why??? Low moral character created in the home. Are there outside forces pulling at the souls of young black men?? Yes but if the moral fiber of our men was stronger it wouldn't be this bad.

White drug dealers don't move like black drug dealers. White drug dealers don't have the same amount of societal hatred directed at them. But that has nothing to do with us we have to move smarter.

FOH with these other races' criminals are better than Black criminals bullshit. If you don't realize how fuckin stupid you sound with that shit, I don't know what to tell you.

So now we ain't even talking about the non-criminals being accountable for the criminals in the Black community, your self-hatred runs so deep that now you're saying Black criminals need to be better criminals like the other races ?

That shit ain't even worth the rebuttal.

 

[Shizlansky]

So when a black person goes on to do something great do we give white ppl the credit for “allowing” it?

 

[7figz]

So when a black person goes on to do something great do we give white ppl the credit for “allowing” it?

Why would we - if they had to do it despite the oppression and racism in this country ?

It's either you believe it exists and has an effect or it doesn't. That's what you basically arguing against.

MFs saying it's relevant - and y'all MFs seem to be saying it's not.

 

[Copper]

He's right.

Hes half right

The system is to blame...statistics prove that

But black people do make it easy

 

[Shizlansky]

He's right.

Hes half right

The system is to blame...statistics prove that

But black people do make it easy

He said we are making it easy for them

 

[The_Jackal]

So when a black person goes on to do something great do we give white ppl the credit for “allowing” it?

Black people thrive in spite of America. It has nothing to do with whites helping and more to do with understand out economic, political, and social history in this country. Teaching personal responsible and the complex part that a black child plays in today society should go hand in hand in my opinion. They need to have good character but also know that traps are hidden blatantly in our faces such as voter id's laws, mandatory minimum, illegal stop and searches, etc etc.

 

[The_Jackal]

Denzel quote overall is stupid to me though. If you're a hunter hunting a deer and you shoot it with a tranquilizer, watch it struggle to run away for 30 minutes, see it collapse and briskly walk up to him and carve him up was that easy. Yes clearly you've done literally everything in your power to stack the situation in your favor.

 

[blackrain]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

So by that example... If you know of a way or ways to avoid the virus and lessen your odds of coming in contact with it...would you not? And if and when you do happen to get sick cuz you refuse to wear a hat and gloves...is someone not there to point out when you get sick (usually ya mama, who been tellin you "Boy, put on ya damn hat!"), "That's what happens when you don't wear a hat."???

Is the system is fucked up and unfair? ... Absolutely. We've learned and known this since we got kidnapped and brought to this muthafucka. The question I always ask is...

If you know they aimin at you, why you gon' jump in front of the bullet?

The virus being this system.....you can’t avoid it....as much as i hate the way capitalism operates...i have no choice but to partake in it , as much as i can do without...even “living off the grid” can only alleviate some of the issues....

My analogy about the doctor was strictly to point out that it makes no sense to treat our symptoms of mass incarceration instead of attacking the system....as pointed out earlier by madame, poverty is just about as close to the root of the problem as you can get without saying white people and slavery and what followed after are / was / is the problem

The funny thing is if you look at the incarceration percentage by race .....it will clearly show you that the issue is outside of home....there are more black people in prison in the us than there are prisoners in countries like Japan and other big first world countries....

My nigga there’s nothing inside the home that can fix that lolol....740,000 black MEN in prison and roughly 33-40,000 black women in prison....we make up over 50% of prison population while being only 13 in some change % of the total population .....my nigga that’s not home training lol that’s system racism/oppression....tf is wrong with y’all niggas??

I love Denzel like a uncle....but my family would

Never get a pass talking crazy like this ....

Wait... So you mean to tell me that there is NO way(s) to avoid the prison system? And IF, even by chance there was, that home training plays no part in that?

There is no way that every single african American can avoid the United States Criminal justice system...can one ? Yes, can 2 ? yes, can 3? Yes... can more than half?? stats say no....and the reason is not because we aren’t being properly trained at home LOL think about it...Its almost a common black comedy routine to talk about how strict our moms and grandmothers are...the average african American mother or grandmother is strict or at least has the respect of the average african American child, it’s usually one group you see run all over their parents....

Tbh it’s not home training, it’s social training and or conditioning....we gotta turn them tvs off and social media has to be limited...but again I’m speaking from a collective...y’all sound like “i got mines i don’t know why y’all won’t act right and get yours too” type niggas...shit is set up for a select few to appear to be doing ok, while the rest suffer...and those who are selected can’t see it cause *que the movie where the white dude says “If you take him away from the group for a while he will feel like he is one of us”

The bold goes against what some niggas been saying over the past few threads about women and their lack of ability to maintain control and/or raise young boys and garner respect from them

 

[playmaker88]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

So by that example... If you know of a way or ways to avoid the virus and lessen your odds of coming in contact with it...would you not? And if and when you do happen to get sick cuz you refuse to wear a hat and gloves...is someone not there to point out when you get sick (usually ya mama, who been tellin you "Boy, put on ya damn hat!"), "That's what happens when you don't wear a hat."???

Is the system is fucked up and unfair? ... Absolutely. We've learned and known this since we got kidnapped and brought to this muthafucka. The question I always ask is...

If you know they aimin at you, why you gon' jump in front of the bullet?

The virus being this system.....you can’t avoid it....as much as i hate the way capitalism operates...i have no choice but to partake in it , as much as i can do without...even “living off the grid” can only alleviate some of the issues....

My analogy about the doctor was strictly to point out that it makes no sense to treat our symptoms of mass incarceration instead of attacking the system....as pointed out earlier by madame, poverty is just about as close to the root of the problem as you can get without saying white people and slavery and what followed after are / was / is the problem

The funny thing is if you look at the incarceration percentage by race .....it will clearly show you that the issue is outside of home....there are more black people in prison in the us than there are prisoners in countries like Japan and other big first world countries....

My nigga there’s nothing inside the home that can fix that lolol....740,000 black MEN in prison and roughly 33-40,000 black women in prison....we make up over 50% of prison population while being only 13 in some change % of the total population .....my nigga that’s not home training lol that’s system racism/oppression....tf is wrong with y’all niggas??

I love Denzel like a uncle....but my family would

Never get a pass talking crazy like this ....

Wait... So you mean to tell me that there is NO way(s) to avoid the prison system? And IF, even by chance there was, that home training plays no part in that?

There is no way that every single african American can avoid the United States Criminal justice system...can one ? Yes, can 2 ? yes, can 3? Yes... can more than half?? stats say no....and the reason is not because we aren’t being properly trained at home LOL think about it...Its almost a common black comedy routine to talk about how strict our moms and grandmothers are...the average african American mother or grandmother is strict or at least has the respect of the average african American child, it’s usually one group you see run all over their parents....

Tbh it’s not home training, it’s social training and or conditioning....we gotta turn them tvs off and social media has to be limited...but again I’m speaking from a collective...y’all sound like “i got mines i don’t know why y’all won’t act right and get yours too” type niggas...shit is set up for a select few to appear to be doing ok, while the rest suffer...and those who are selected can’t see it cause *que the movie where the white dude says “If you take him away from the group for a while he will feel like he is one of us”

The bold goes against what some niggas been saying over the past few threads about women and their lack of ability to maintain control and/or raise young boys and garner respect from them

Its funny when you use peoples bullshit they ascribe to another situation and then you put it in the context they give a fuck about they act dumb, deaf and blind

 

[7figz]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

So by that example... If you know of a way or ways to avoid the virus and lessen your odds of coming in contact with it...would you not? And if and when you do happen to get sick cuz you refuse to wear a hat and gloves...is someone not there to point out when you get sick (usually ya mama, who been tellin you "Boy, put on ya damn hat!"), "That's what happens when you don't wear a hat."???

Is the system is fucked up and unfair? ... Absolutely. We've learned and known this since we got kidnapped and brought to this muthafucka. The question I always ask is...

If you know they aimin at you, why you gon' jump in front of the bullet?

The virus being this system.....you can’t avoid it....as much as i hate the way capitalism operates...i have no choice but to partake in it , as much as i can do without...even “living off the grid” can only alleviate some of the issues....

My analogy about the doctor was strictly to point out that it makes no sense to treat our symptoms of mass incarceration instead of attacking the system....as pointed out earlier by madame, poverty is just about as close to the root of the problem as you can get without saying white people and slavery and what followed after are / was / is the problem

The funny thing is if you look at the incarceration percentage by race .....it will clearly show you that the issue is outside of home....there are more black people in prison in the us than there are prisoners in countries like Japan and other big first world countries....

My nigga there’s nothing inside the home that can fix that lolol....740,000 black MEN in prison and roughly 33-40,000 black women in prison....we make up over 50% of prison population while being only 13 in some change % of the total population .....my nigga that’s not home training lol that’s system racism/oppression....tf is wrong with y’all niggas??

I love Denzel like a uncle....but my family would

Never get a pass talking crazy like this ....

Wait... So you mean to tell me that there is NO way(s) to avoid the prison system? And IF, even by chance there was, that home training plays no part in that?

There is no way that every single african American can avoid the United States Criminal justice system...can one ? Yes, can 2 ? yes, can 3? Yes... can more than half?? stats say no....and the reason is not because we aren’t being properly trained at home LOL think about it...Its almost a common black comedy routine to talk about how strict our moms and grandmothers are...the average african American mother or grandmother is strict or at least has the respect of the average african American child, it’s usually one group you see run all over their parents....

Tbh it’s not home training, it’s social training and or conditioning....we gotta turn them tvs off and social media has to be limited...but again I’m speaking from a collective...y’all sound like “i got mines i don’t know why y’all won’t act right and get yours too” type niggas...shit is set up for a select few to appear to be doing ok, while the rest suffer...and those who are selected can’t see it cause *que the movie where the white dude says “If you take him away from the group for a while he will feel like he is one of us”

The bold goes against what some niggas been saying over the past few threads about women and their lack of ability to maintain control and/or raise young boys and garner respect from them

Maybe it's 2 different MFs sayin it.

 

[blackrain]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

So by that example... If you know of a way or ways to avoid the virus and lessen your odds of coming in contact with it...would you not? And if and when you do happen to get sick cuz you refuse to wear a hat and gloves...is someone not there to point out when you get sick (usually ya mama, who been tellin you "Boy, put on ya damn hat!"), "That's what happens when you don't wear a hat."???

Is the system is fucked up and unfair? ... Absolutely. We've learned and known this since we got kidnapped and brought to this muthafucka. The question I always ask is...

If you know they aimin at you, why you gon' jump in front of the bullet?

The virus being this system.....you can’t avoid it....as much as i hate the way capitalism operates...i have no choice but to partake in it , as much as i can do without...even “living off the grid” can only alleviate some of the issues....

My analogy about the doctor was strictly to point out that it makes no sense to treat our symptoms of mass incarceration instead of attacking the system....as pointed out earlier by madame, poverty is just about as close to the root of the problem as you can get without saying white people and slavery and what followed after are / was / is the problem

The funny thing is if you look at the incarceration percentage by race .....it will clearly show you that the issue is outside of home....there are more black people in prison in the us than there are prisoners in countries like Japan and other big first world countries....

My nigga there’s nothing inside the home that can fix that lolol....740,000 black MEN in prison and roughly 33-40,000 black women in prison....we make up over 50% of prison population while being only 13 in some change % of the total population .....my nigga that’s not home training lol that’s system racism/oppression....tf is wrong with y’all niggas??

I love Denzel like a uncle....but my family would

Never get a pass talking crazy like this ....

Wait... So you mean to tell me that there is NO way(s) to avoid the prison system? And IF, even by chance there was, that home training plays no part in that?

There is no way that every single african American can avoid the United States Criminal justice system...can one ? Yes, can 2 ? yes, can 3? Yes... can more than half?? stats say no....and the reason is not because we aren’t being properly trained at home LOL think about it...Its almost a common black comedy routine to talk about how strict our moms and grandmothers are...the average african American mother or grandmother is strict or at least has the respect of the average african American child, it’s usually one group you see run all over their parents....

Tbh it’s not home training, it’s social training and or conditioning....we gotta turn them tvs off and social media has to be limited...but again I’m speaking from a collective...y’all sound like “i got mines i don’t know why y’all won’t act right and get yours too” type niggas...shit is set up for a select few to appear to be doing ok, while the rest suffer...and those who are selected can’t see it cause *que the movie where the white dude says “If you take him away from the group for a while he will feel like he is one of us”

The bold goes against what some niggas been saying over the past few threads about women and their lack of ability to maintain control and/or raise young boys and garner respect from them

Maybe it's 2 different MFs sayin it.

I've seen niggas agree with some shit that goes directly against some shit they said in another thread. I called @"5th Letter" on it a couple days ago in The Reason

 

[twenty2]

Denzel quote overall is stupid to me though. If you're a hunter hunting a deer and you shoot it with a tranquilizer, watch it struggle to run away for 30 minutes, see it collapse and briskly walk up to him and carve him up was that easy. Yes clearly you've done literally everything in your power to stack the situation in your favor.

And if deer after deer continue to walk into your trap even after watching other deer do it and not end up so well are you not going to say... "Dumb ass deer... Makin it easy for me today!" Matter of fact, you gon' go back home, talk about how stupid deer are, and brag on your "accomplishments"...

But... We ain't deer... And we should be able to figure out the traps.......and even if we can't avoid them completely, can we not lessen our odds?

 

[a.mann]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

So by that example... If you know of a way or ways to avoid the virus and lessen your odds of coming in contact with it...would you not? And if and when you do happen to get sick cuz you refuse to wear a hat and gloves...is someone not there to point out when you get sick (usually ya mama, who been tellin you "Boy, put on ya damn hat!"), "That's what happens when you don't wear a hat."???

Is the system is fucked up and unfair? ... Absolutely. We've learned and known this since we got kidnapped and brought to this muthafucka. The question I always ask is...

If you know they aimin at you, why you gon' jump in front of the bullet?

The virus being this system.....you can’t avoid it....as much as i hate the way capitalism operates...i have no choice but to partake in it , as much as i can do without...even “living off the grid” can only alleviate some of the issues....

My analogy about the doctor was strictly to point out that it makes no sense to treat our symptoms of mass incarceration instead of attacking the system....as pointed out earlier by madame, poverty is just about as close to the root of the problem as you can get without saying white people and slavery and what followed after are / was / is the problem

The funny thing is if you look at the incarceration percentage by race .....it will clearly show you that the issue is outside of home....there are more black people in prison in the us than there are prisoners in countries like Japan and other big first world countries....

My nigga there’s nothing inside the home that can fix that lolol....740,000 black MEN in prison and roughly 33-40,000 black women in prison....we make up over 50% of prison population while being only 13 in some change % of the total population .....my nigga that’s not home training lol that’s system racism/oppression....tf is wrong with y’all niggas??

I love Denzel like a uncle....but my family would

Never get a pass talking crazy like this ....

Wait... So you mean to tell me that there is NO way(s) to avoid the prison system? And IF, even by chance there was, that home training plays no part in that?

There is no way that every single african American can avoid the United States Criminal justice system...can one ? Yes, can 2 ? yes, can 3? Yes... can more than half?? stats say no....and the reason is not because we aren’t being properly trained at home LOL think about it...Its almost a common black comedy routine to talk about how strict our moms and grandmothers are...the average african American mother or grandmother is strict or at least has the respect of the average african American child, it’s usually one group you see run all over their parents....

Tbh it’s not home training, it’s social training and or conditioning....we gotta turn them tvs off and social media has to be limited...but again I’m speaking from a collective...y’all sound like “i got mines i don’t know why y’all won’t act right and get yours too” type niggas...shit is set up for a select few to appear to be doing ok, while the rest suffer...and those who are selected can’t see it cause *que the movie where the white dude says “If you take him away from the group for a while he will feel like he is one of us”

The bold goes against what some niggas been saying over the past few threads about women and their lack of ability to maintain control and/or raise young boys and garner respect from them

Maybe it's 2 different MFs sayin it.

I've seen niggas agree with some shit that goes directly against some shit they said in another thread. I called @"5th Letter" on it a couple days ago in The Reason

"culture of personality"

 

[7figz]

Denzel quote overall is stupid to me though. If you're a hunter hunting a deer and you shoot it with a tranquilizer, watch it struggle to run away for 30 minutes, see it collapse and briskly walk up to him and carve him up was that easy. Yes clearly you've done literally everything in your power to stack the situation in your favor.

And if deer after deer continue to walk into your trap even after watching other deer do it and not end up so well are you not going to say... "Dumb ass deer... Makin it easy for me today!" Matter of fact, you gon' go back home, talk about how stupid deer are, and brag on your "accomplishments"...

But... We ain't deer... And we should be able to figure out the traps.......and even if we can't avoid them completely, can we not lessen our odds?

Hold up bruh - call me out of line if you want because I haven't been following y'all particular discussion.

Are you saying that people who take issue with his statement don't think we should lessen our odds - so to speak ? Because I think that's so beyond obvious that we're assuming that's a given.

But that pales in comparison to the efforts being put forth to oppress us.

If somebody can bring up "lessening our odds" then they damn sure can talk about racism.[/font]

 

[Copper]

He's right.

But black people do make it easy

He said we are making it easy for them

Nigga...

 

[sunlord]

The government flooded the Black community with drugs but nobody made us sell or use those drugs..... and the viciousness at which we killed each other for them is all our fault. All races do crime but niggas took shit to the pit of hell and made the communities hell.

Again foolishness that attempts to disregard America's history. Yes of course you first point is correct but if you have no other way to provide for your family what are you expected to do? I'll drop a little note to explain. All through NJ at least on record schools are desergrated but off record it's a different story. Even in my town there were two public schools, one in my part of town and one in the noticeably whiter part of town. Guess which school the majority of blacks went to. Then guess which school had overall better funding. These has been and continues to go on.

History is what it is and it's never going to change so are you going to use history as a scapegoat forever??? And by the way Blacks were poorer in the past poverty in the 1970s - 1980s was nothing compared to the depression era but we didn't kill each other so much as we did during the crack era and forward. You being poor doesn't justify murder and it is the killings that caused even black politicians to push for harder jail sentences during the crack era.

This is why I put that timeline in the previous post and said niggas aren't as smart as they think. It's not history this continues to effect present day but niggas are too blind to connect that dots. Mandatory minimum were repealed only in 2010 under the free sentencing act though some states illegally still push it. Under said laws even recreational marijuana uses was punishable up to 5 years in prison which judges usually pushed for since they also had stock in the prison industrial complex. For just using a dime bag for recreational use and taking a plea since most werent able to afford lawyers you are cut off from the job market and then cut off form receiving aid for higher education. This continues to go on today with overzealous DAs and corrupt judges. Facts.

As far as your second part you continue to oversimplify the world and refuse to truly look at history. Historically crime rates were lower specifically murder rates because we don't see a major advance in weaponry until ww2/Vietnam and secondly because by the 70s and 80s government sponsored crack dealers were actively destroying Black communities and Black families on purpose.

I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for niggas to admit that "hey for the majority of Black history and even to an extent today in American we have been hated and actively tried to be destroy."

Nobody literally NOBODY in this thread is arguing against personal responsibility simply saying don't be blind to what's happening and what continued to happen. And that YOU CAN BE RESPONSIBLE AND STILL FAIL. You can try your damn hardest and still fail. That's the reality of being Black in America

What's happening is that even after blacks learn the history we keep on doing dumb shit. And want to blame the government who we already know doesn't give a fuck. We have know about the governmental involvement in the drug trade since about the mid 80's but niggas kept on selling drugs and killing for it.

Weed is illegal if you use it and get caught you face the consequence. Everyone who smokes knows that. Black Government sponsored crack dealers came from what community??? The Black community so in other words that community produced an individual of low moral character. Where did this person come from a black home.

And your technology arguments make no sense America had gun crime well before the ww2.

There go that losing ass argument - "We keep doing dumb shit"... who the fuck is we ?

There's drug dealers of every fuckin race - there ain't gonna be no Black drug dealers ?

All races smoke weed, same question.

Self-hatred like a MF.

All races do all that shit but when we do it our communities turn into shooting galleries.... and that's a significant difference I tried to point out. if we could do crime the way the Italians did it or the Chinese did it we would be much better off but noooo blacks have such a low regard for each other that the places were we live continue to have higher murder rates than any place else. Why??? Low moral character created in the home. Are there outside forces pulling at the souls of young black men?? Yes but if the moral fiber of our men was stronger it wouldn't be this bad.

White drug dealers don't move like black drug dealers. White drug dealers don't have the same amount of societal hatred directed at them. But that has nothing to do with us we have to move smarter.

FOH with these other races' criminals are better than Black criminals bullshit. If you don't realize how fuckin stupid you sound with that shit, I don't know what to tell you.

So now we ain't even talking about the non-criminals being accountable for the criminals in the Black community, your self-hatred runs so deep that now you're saying Black criminals need to be better criminals like the other races ?

That shit ain't even worth the rebuttal.

Did you not understand the last paragraph?? Smh continue accusing me of self hatred if you want to but is exactly because I care about all black people that I say what I say. Your just blinded by your brainwashing so you cannot see what I mean