Denzel Washington: Don't Blame The Prison System, 'It Starts At The Home'

[blackrain]

He said that yall MAKING IT EASY for a system that target yall by DESTROYING FAMILLIES.

What he says has been said by psychologist and behaviorists for decades : children without fathers are most likely to fuck up and end up in jail.

I was most scared by my dad than the police. Most of my friends who didnt ... ended up in jail.

Mothers raise CHILDREN , Fathers raise GROWNUPS.

The father represent the law, the reality, the discipline in a familly. Motherhood is about giving and caring and. Fatherhood is the children wake up call to responsibility for a child.

Hopefully a public figure like Denzel can raise awareness about that

The bold shits on so many niggas here raised by single mothers

 

[matt mane]

Denzel was right

 

[NCswag]

They got our boy. Pray that Chadwick holds the torch.....

 

[Lefty_]

Life is credits and debits. Denzel has been too trill on too many occasions for me to write him off for one mishap.

He definitely fuckin up tho.

 

[Rozetta5tone]

Surprise surprise another pity party.

Niggas need to grow up.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

 

[LordZuko]

“It starts with how you raise your children. If a young man doesn’t have a father figure, he’ll go find a father figure

85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

So is y'all mad at Zel or y'all mad at the facts?

He didn't absolve the system, he said,

“It’s unfortunate that we make such easy work for them.”

Meaning through complicity of our own actions we make it easier for the system to ensnare our youth.

 

[jono]

Yeah Rampart was started because of fatherless niggas

States make deals guaranteeing prisons maintain a certain amount of inmates because niggas can't behave at home

Sentencing is disproportionately harsher for people of color because...

None of that shit effects you unless you break the law.

That's routinely black folks problem. Once we decided a thing is unfair then whatever happens is happening because of the unfairness instead of because of individual behaviors.

The number of truly innocent people in jail is negligible, most of those niggas really broke the law.

Instead of trying to educate people on how to survive without breaking the law, we typically complain about the law, complain about the courts, complain about the cops, complain about shit we have no immediate control over.

And the one thing we do have immediate control over, we surrender that control to continue the victim narrative.

Denzel's absolutely right. If you don't raise your kid to have good behaviors, to follow the laws, and to make good decisions you are almost guaranteeing they will end up in jail.

All this maybe true

But the simply fact is people, regardless of the "righteousness" of their upbringing will fuck up and just plain make stupid horrible decisions including breaking the law

No one will argue that they shouldn't be held accountable for wrongdoing and sentence for it

But the major problem is that black people are disproportionately sentenced at a higher rate to longer jail/prison time than white people when they break the very same laws.

edit:

I'll add a perfect example would be how they are calling the heroin epidemic that's tearing apart these low income white neighborhoods a "healthcare" problem, but called the crack epidemic, which fucked up the black community a criminal problem

In order to unpack this honestly some things need to be done.

First, I do recognize that people fall short. Nobody is perfect, and people typically fuck up when they're young.

The punitive nature of the system is indeed unfair, there's a lot of improvement to make.

However (now we get to the bolded), race is ONE variable. How many people took other variables into account?

Some states have harsher laws than others (three strikes, mandatory minimums etc)

The ability to negotiate sentence is another issue. Having a public defender versus a hired attorney.

Criminal history is a third. Repeat offenders are often given more time than others.

A lot of the social science on this doesn't control for all these variables. They look at national averages.

For the sake of argument, let's assume all of this is true. For starters, it's unconstitutional, a violation of the 14th amendment. This means one could sue the state.

The lack of lawsuits on the subject, despite all the discussion on it, should tell you something is up. The ACLU has been at this argument for awhile, various state legislatures and courts have been petitioned with the argument but I haven't seen any success. Maybe in the future.

To your edit:

That's verbal jiujitsu. It's also been 30 years in between the epidemics. The system has learned via overcrowding and the amount of money spent on drug rehabs, holding inmates in jail etc that unnecessary punitive attitudes do more harm than good.

You see a lot of individuals get early release from jail or get diverted from the system completely now. There's more programs, and more progressive attitudes than there used to be

 

[R0mp]

Like others said, we can all take steps to avoid it. It doesn't mean we can't call out the bullshit built within the system, though.

 

[marc123]

everything starts at the home tho

 

[Shizlansky]

He explained that well

 

[LordZuko]

One of the consequences of black males being raised in a matriarchal society is that we internalize feminine narratives.

One of the primary feminine narratives is to deny agency culpability and responsibility.

As men we cant do that. Don't nobody give a fuck about what obstacles men or boys face or how unfair the system is. You deal with the facts on the ground.

Black men are targeted by police so to engage in illegal activity is to invite the higher probability of negative outcomes.

No mothers are not capable of disciplining their children. Women don't establish or maintain order.

In fact the general impoverished state of single mother homes means that there is no infrastructure on any end to dissuade her progeny from exposing themselves to the system.

Facts. On the ground.

 

[playmaker88]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

 

[jetlifebih]

I always say you can blame them for your conditions but not your actions

That’s ignorant of the nature nurture relationship tho and that’s my whole gripe with Denzel’s sentiments....

In theory he’s right but the reality of the situation is...he’s mentioning black peoples problems without mentioning the causes....any doctor will tell you in order to get rid of a cold you gotta kill the virus not cure the runny nose or aches...sure stop pointing out the fact that we have a runny nose, or a fever....point out the got dam virus that’s causing our nose to run and body tenpature to change in order to fight the infection

 

[The Hue]

Mass incarceration was not an accident. When slavery ended, Jim Crow replaced it and when Jim Crow ended a new form of oppression had to be created. I agree that the father is a must in a child's life but that is EXACTLY why mass incarceration was created in the first place, to take away the fathers. America's prison population went from 300,000 to 2 million in just a couple decades, that shit didn't happen on accident.

 

[Shizlansky]

Denzel explained what he said and y’all still not getting it lmao

 

[KnowReasonForPeace]

He said that yall MAKING IT EASY for a system that target yall by DESTROYING FAMILLIES.

What he says has been said by psychologist and behaviorists for decades : children without fathers are most likely to fuck up and end up in jail.

I was most scared by my dad than the police. Most of my friends who didnt ... ended up in jail.

Mothers raise CHILDREN , Fathers raise GROWNUPS.

The father represent the law, the reality, the discipline in a familly. Motherhood is about giving and caring and. Fatherhood is the children wake up call to responsibility for a child.

Hopefully a public figure like Denzel can raise awareness about that

The bold shits on so many niggas here raised by single mothers

This is why my sons mother agreed to let my son live with me when he turns 10. A woman can only show a boy so much about being a man.

 

[Rozetta5tone]

Denzel explained what he said and y’all still not getting it lmao

When it comes to race discussions on the ic there are 3 main staples:

1. The black man is born a victim

2. Black women don’t help the black man

3. Logic and basic comprehension are null and void

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

“It starts with how you raise your children. If a young man doesn’t have a father figure, he’ll go find a father figure

85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

So is y'all mad at Zel or y'all mad at the facts?

He didn't absolve the system, he said,

“It’s unfortunate that we make such easy work for them.”

Meaning through complicity of our own actions we make it easier for the system to ensnare our youth.

the assumption that growing up in a family without a father is not good for the child is based mainly on research into children whose parents are divorced and who have experienced parental conflict

little research has been done studying the children growing up in single father households because its a rarity...

and the biggest precursor for criminality, behavioral issues, etc is poverty...they don't have the same access to mental health services, shitty schools, shitty living situations, more likely to live in high crime neighborhoods, etc

same as the biggest precursor to poverty is ur parents (here in america)

you can argue the high rate of child poverty is a function of family composition

but also consider the lowest of the low poverty countries manage to get along in the world with similar levels of single mother parenting just fine

that leads one to believe high poverty rates for children in single mother families is a policy choice

also consider the last couple of decades crime has gone down; teenage pregnancy is down; more blk men are graduating from high school and college than ever before

there is actually a strong correlation to the removal of lead from paint, gasoline to the decline in violence, behavioral issues, criminality, etc as well. studies were done on blk children in the 80s , 90s freddie gray was a participant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...6aa3bad79dd_story.html?utm_term=.dd7ae4133334

they also like to throw the 72% figure in our faces ...and spread myths about black fatherhood....but just because a woman reports to being single does not mean the father isn't active in the child's life

a study was revealed that black fathers are more active in their children’s lives than any other race in similar situations
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/opinion/charles-blow-black-dads-are-doing-the-best-of-all.html

not saying single parenthood is ideal if you don't have the support but ppl who oversimplify the cause and effect process are usually searching for anything that proves what they already believe to be true

 

[7figz]

Denzel explained what he said and y’all still not getting it lmao

Is the explanation in this thread ?

The quote, as presented, is deliberately inflammatory.

No way does "it starts at home" logic in a vacuum address the whole topic.