DC COMICS CANCELS "BATGIRL" JOKER VARIANT COVER AT ARTIST'S REQUEST

[nujerz84]

You need to check the official reviews for her individual issues and also the diamonds sales list dating back to september 2011 to present cause you're wrong on both counts. Maybe you're talking about reader reviews. Which you may be right because I'm not very familiar with those.

I'm talking critical reviews for the most part IGN, ComicBook Resources, Comic Vine, New York Times praised Gaill's work on the Batgirl Comics. In terms of sales I'm simply going by your own words when you stated that it was under performing and in danger of cancellation, which is why I said that despite getting good reviews the sales didn't reflect it.

It simply didn't get canned because Batbooks are given more leeway and a longer shelf life than the average book since the Batline is a cash cow for DC. With that said it also took books like Swamp Thing which was also underselling a long time to get canned as well. DC in general tends to give ongoings more of a chance for rebound than their direct competition does.

Batgirl and the Batfamily has a fanbase but books getting cancelled was destined to happen from the start with 52 titles rebooted in the first place.

I like TKJ well enough. Originally read it about 5 years after it came out and I have re-read it every other year since; but I could like something and still feel it's overrated as fuck. Hell even the man who wrote the book can't fucking stand it. At least I'm not that extreme.

You like it but you think its Overrated as Fuck... .

Let keep it real if you really feel something/anything is overrated as fuck, you really don't like it and/or feel its not really that good.

How ridiculous does this sound in any conversation " I Like Denzel Washington but he's overrated as fuck" "I like the Avengers movie but its overrated as fuck" etc etc c'mon man. Yes its huge difference from just saying overrated to saying its overrated as fuck.

So what if Batman is a best selling book and is critically acclaimed that has nothing to do with the actual content in the book. My point is if that cover was a panel in one of their stories I don't think anyone would bat an eye because it actually fits the tone of the the storytelling they produce.

You clearly missed the point I made, which is comic fans are always bitching and disliking something. As for content if the content sucked then it wouldn't be critically acclaimed would it?

Again this is not a variant for a "dark violent and gritty" iteration; it's a variant for a book that is completely the reverse tonally and also has a major readership of teenage girls and younger audiences and not just man children and adults. The book's past has no consequence on it's present. They cater to different readerships

So you just simply dismiss 38 issues (Batgirl 0, Batgirl Annual 1, Batgirl Annual 2 and Future's End) all done by Gail and her team over the course of 4 years as if they never happened?

1. You said "key essential part" there is a difference. The way you worded it earlier implies that it's the defining point of the character and that is false.

2. Read Birds of Prey or Batgirl Vol. 1 or Vol. 2. The character has been beyond that moment in her life for a very very long time.

3. Not necessarily because they could've easily made her Batgirl without even keeping TKJ as canon. She literally got a clean slate with the New 52.

As for how effective it really was. That's quite subjective. I myself didn't find it effective at all. It was just convoluted and poorly integrated and resulted in me dropping the book like a bad habit until recently as soon as the first arc with the mirror guy was done.

1. It is a key essential part and defining point of her character...she stopped being Batgirl all together and help give birth to a whole new character Oracle..

2. You mean this from My Collection::

Or do you mean Pre New 52?? If its the former then maybe you should take your own advice...Having Nightmares over the incident... Freezing the first time gun point at her waist..etc dealing with the events of that incident are central themes throughout.

3.This is a useless and irrelevant point that is not dealing with the facts of the character...TKJ is cannon therefore dealing with hypothetical's of what they could do to her character is moot point. Everyone in DC pretty much got a clean slate.

4. If overcoming and dealing with mental struggles/hurdles regarding a terrible traumatic event, a narrative that gives a sense of realism to the character was that difficult to follow despite making sense in the storyline, then IDK what to tell you.

And the bottom line is this 1. Nothing Is Wrong with the Cover.. 2. Your Claims of self censorship doesn't hold water as it doesn't occur if some fans and feminist on twitter didn't make a big stink over it. 3. Majority Females and Males of the comic community online think pulling the cover is bullshit.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

don't follow like that....but did Marvel every actually put this on the stands?

I recall them receiving mad blow back(no pun intended)

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I know this is just a drawing but damn

 

[Maximus Rex]

ironically, if the Joker was tonguing down some dude on the cover that would have been fine.

Originally read it about 5 years after it came out and I have re-read it every other year since;

Did the Joker rape Barbara and are in the Morrison school of thought that The Batman killed Mr. J at the end of The Killing Joke?