Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...

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Smh @ jim brown, alot of cacs said the same about him during the civil rights era.

I wonder why hank aarons, kareem and Russell's opinions arent getting airtime as much?
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9962841 said:
Copper;c-9962837 said:
Nobodies worried about your shit posting style...we just think what you posting is shit

Then ignore it nigga. How hard is that? If you think what I'm posting is shit, then I ain't posting for you, so move along.

you are giving us always debate shit niggas a bad name
 
dnyce215;c-9963897 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9963612 said:
VulcanRaven;c-9963367 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962906 said:
blackrain;c-9962899 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962885 said:
blackrain;c-9962879 said:
Because there's actual proof against what they're saying when questioning his desire to play...so there's no reason to include that among the reasons of him not currently being signed

I seen people say that his people have been in contact with teams about playing, and I've seen people say that he's maintained a conditioning and training regiment during the summer. Is that the proof you're talking about or am I missing something because isn't really what people are talking about when they question his desire to play or rather his commitment to the game.

Nigga they've used everything to question his commitment to the game they can think of. One GM said he's not sure Kaep wants to play because he's a vegan now. That has shit to do with ability or desire to play. So when you have clear proof hes making an active effort to get signed yet you still on some "well I'm not sure" shit you look stupid

I'm not taking about petty shit like that though. I'm talking about reasons like pocket passing ability or system compatibility. You keep trying to convince me he's getting a bad deal. We agree on that. I'm just saying you can't summarily dismiss everyone who passes in him as doing it for despicable reasons.

Time to end this pointless argument you keep trying to have. Ravens talked to him and so did the Seahawks. Before the protest the Broncos, Texans and Browns all were trying to trade for him while the 9ers didn't want to let him go. Now common sense would suggest that nothing you mention is a concern of at least the teams mentioned. If they were why would teams want him before the protest and why would 2 teams have even spoken with him afterwards? It's not hard to understand.

You're talking like every time teams talk to a player, they wind up taking that player. That's not even close to true. And in the case of the Texans and the Browns, they both have new QBs they are running with and back-ups. That is more likely the reason they aren't going after Kap now. I do think blackballing had something to do with the Ravens passing on him though. I think the team might have wanted to give him a shot, but the owner shot it down.

But the bills have two QB that is under concussion protocol and they sign Keith Wenning because he is familiar with the buffalo Offensive coordinator, lol. This excuse they going to use because it is the same as Jay cutler and Gase connection. Wenning never played an NFL season game. Now the eagles have a backup QB that is injured. Same song and dance here, trying to find a reason not sign a QB that went to a Super Bowl. 37 QB signed before Kaep and none has the resume of a super bowl appearance either.

OK, and some of what you mention could be due to black balling. I don't know that it is, but I don't claim that it isn't. That's not my point and never had been.
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9965366 said:
dnyce215;c-9963897 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9963612 said:
VulcanRaven;c-9963367 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962906 said:
blackrain;c-9962899 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962885 said:
blackrain;c-9962879 said:
Because there's actual proof against what they're saying when questioning his desire to play...so there's no reason to include that among the reasons of him not currently being signed

I seen people say that his people have been in contact with teams about playing, and I've seen people say that he's maintained a conditioning and training regiment during the summer. Is that the proof you're talking about or am I missing something because isn't really what people are talking about when they question his desire to play or rather his commitment to the game.

Nigga they've used everything to question his commitment to the game they can think of. One GM said he's not sure Kaep wants to play because he's a vegan now. That has shit to do with ability or desire to play. So when you have clear proof hes making an active effort to get signed yet you still on some "well I'm not sure" shit you look stupid

I'm not taking about petty shit like that though. I'm talking about reasons like pocket passing ability or system compatibility. You keep trying to convince me he's getting a bad deal. We agree on that. I'm just saying you can't summarily dismiss everyone who passes in him as doing it for despicable reasons.

Time to end this pointless argument you keep trying to have. Ravens talked to him and so did the Seahawks. Before the protest the Broncos, Texans and Browns all were trying to trade for him while the 9ers didn't want to let him go. Now common sense would suggest that nothing you mention is a concern of at least the teams mentioned. If they were why would teams want him before the protest and why would 2 teams have even spoken with him afterwards? It's not hard to understand.

You're talking like every time teams talk to a player, they wind up taking that player. That's not even close to true. And in the case of the Texans and the Browns, they both have new QBs they are running with and back-ups. That is more likely the reason they aren't going after Kap now. I do think blackballing had something to do with the Ravens passing on him though. I think the team might have wanted to give him a shot, but the owner shot it down.

But the bills have two QB that is under concussion protocol and they sign Keith Wenning because he is familiar with the buffalo Offensive coordinator, lol. This excuse they going to use because it is the same as Jay cutler and Gase connection. Wenning never played an NFL season game. Now the eagles have a backup QB that is injured. Same song and dance here, trying to find a reason not sign a QB that went to a Super Bowl. 37 QB signed before Kaep and none has the resume of a super bowl appearance either.

OK, and some of what you mention could be due to black balling. I don't know that it is, but I don't claim that it isn't. That's not my point and never had been.

Come on fam stop it. 37 QB get signed and none has an super bowl appearance on their resume. It is not a system thing either, all offenses get tailored to the QB strengths. And no QB option isn't an offense. 16 TD and 4 int is pretty good in this climate of the NFL where most QB on rosters aren't even serviceable, most just holding a roster spot.
 
dnyce215;c-9965393 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9965366 said:
dnyce215;c-9963897 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9963612 said:
VulcanRaven;c-9963367 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962906 said:
blackrain;c-9962899 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9962885 said:
blackrain;c-9962879 said:
Because there's actual proof against what they're saying when questioning his desire to play...so there's no reason to include that among the reasons of him not currently being signed

I seen people say that his people have been in contact with teams about playing, and I've seen people say that he's maintained a conditioning and training regiment during the summer. Is that the proof you're talking about or am I missing something because isn't really what people are talking about when they question his desire to play or rather his commitment to the game.

Nigga they've used everything to question his commitment to the game they can think of. One GM said he's not sure Kaep wants to play because he's a vegan now. That has shit to do with ability or desire to play. So when you have clear proof hes making an active effort to get signed yet you still on some "well I'm not sure" shit you look stupid

I'm not taking about petty shit like that though. I'm talking about reasons like pocket passing ability or system compatibility. You keep trying to convince me he's getting a bad deal. We agree on that. I'm just saying you can't summarily dismiss everyone who passes in him as doing it for despicable reasons.

Time to end this pointless argument you keep trying to have. Ravens talked to him and so did the Seahawks. Before the protest the Broncos, Texans and Browns all were trying to trade for him while the 9ers didn't want to let him go. Now common sense would suggest that nothing you mention is a concern of at least the teams mentioned. If they were why would teams want him before the protest and why would 2 teams have even spoken with him afterwards? It's not hard to understand.

You're talking like every time teams talk to a player, they wind up taking that player. That's not even close to true. And in the case of the Texans and the Browns, they both have new QBs they are running with and back-ups. That is more likely the reason they aren't going after Kap now. I do think blackballing had something to do with the Ravens passing on him though. I think the team might have wanted to give him a shot, but the owner shot it down.

But the bills have two QB that is under concussion protocol and they sign Keith Wenning because he is familiar with the buffalo Offensive coordinator, lol. This excuse they going to use because it is the same as Jay cutler and Gase connection. Wenning never played an NFL season game. Now the eagles have a backup QB that is injured. Same song and dance here, trying to find a reason not sign a QB that went to a Super Bowl. 37 QB signed before Kaep and none has the resume of a super bowl appearance either.

OK, and some of what you mention could be due to black balling. I don't know that it is, but I don't claim that it isn't. That's not my point and never had been.

Come on fam stop it. 37 QB get signed and none has an super bowl appearance on their resume. It is not a system thing either, all offenses get tailored to the QB strengths. And no QB option isn't an offense. 16 TD and 4 int is pretty good in this climate of the NFL where most QB on rosters aren't even serviceable, most just holding a roster spot.

I'm not arguing with you that Kap should be in the league. We all agree he should be. There are 32 teams out there. He's good enough to be at least a backup on one of those teams and probably better than some starters out there. Again, my only point is that you can't automatically assume that all 32 of those teams are passing on him for blackballing and not legitimate football reasons. You also can't assume that people are lying when they say that they haven't seen the type of dedication they want to see from. It doesn't mean what they want to see is reasonable, when it comes to sports, it's often not.

However, the bold is definitely not true. The great coaches usually do that, but a lot of these coaches out here try to find QBs that fit their vision. And in the cases where a coach inherits a QB, they usually try to force that QB into their system rather than building a system that fits the QB. We especially see this with black QBs that employ more running style offenses. Kap is often thought of as that kinda QB, so it shouldn't be surprising that he's treated this way. It's happened with lots of black QBs.
 
stringer bell;c-9967471 said:
http://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/viable-nflblackout-relation-leagues-black-viewership.html

How viable is the #NFLBlackout in relation to the league’s black viewership?

Could a potential boycott of NFL games by black fans this season have an impact on the league's ratings?

Nope. Now if all or even most of the black players boycotted for even a half, that would have an impact. Honestly, the NFL might not recover from something like that for a while.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-national-anthem-protests-20170831-story.html

How TV networks will handle NFL national anthem protests this season

The NFL's regular season opens next week, and television network executives and broadcast crews all face the same quandary: When the national anthem plays, some players on the sidelines likely will kneel or perhaps raise fists in the air, and networks must decide whether to include these protests as part of their game broadcasts.

For most, at least in league's opening week, the plan is to make mention of any potential protests as part of their coverage, either from the commentators in the broadcast booth or the reporters working the sidelines.

Sean McManus, the chairman of CBS Sports, says he's not giving any directives or orders to his broadcast teams and they're free to discuss sideline protests as they see fit.

"[If] they've got an opinion or a thought on it, they're free to express it," he said Wednesday. "I have said, however, that we're there to broadcast the football game and not get involved in political or social issues. So I don't think you'll see a lot of commentary on the part of our commentary teams."

Tony Romo, the recently retired quarterback who is embarking on his first season in the CBS booth, is prepared to address the matter — and then move on and focus on the action.

"I don't think it's something we'll go into great detail on," he said. "I think people have talked about it long enough. I think that people don't want to hear a lot about politics or religion on air. They want football, so we'll stick more with that."

The networks dealt with the same issue last season. Saying he was protesting police brutality and racial inequality, quarterback Colin Kaepernick was the first to protest the national anthem at the start of the 2016 season. Even though he faced significant blowback and is currently out of a job, other players have continued the protests this year, especially following an incendiary white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month.

If anything, the preseason has shown the movement might have some momentum entering the regular season, as the anthem protests have increased from week to week.

While players such as Oakland running back Marshawn Lynch and Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett have sat during the anthem this preseason, others, such as San Francisco safety Eric Reid and Philadelphia cornerback Ron Brooks, have opted to take a knee. Still others, such as Philadelphia safety Malcolm Jenkins and Los Angeles Rams linebacker Robert Quinn, have raised their fists in the air. A handful of white players — such as Philadelphia defensive lineman Chris Long and Seattle center Justin Britt — have shown their support by resting a hand on the shoulder of a protesting teammate.

A dozen members of the Cleveland Browns took a knee together during their second preseason game, with five players resting a hand on a teammate's shoulder. Five days later, in their next game, 30 members of the Browns locked arms during the anthem, by far the largest pregame demonstration to date.

So network bosses know the protests likely will carry over into the regular season and have been discussing how to treat it on-air. Jay Rothman, ESPN's vice president of production and the veteran "Monday Night Football" producer, says TV crews have a responsibility to show the protests, and to present them in the proper context. "Monday Night Football" opens its season in Minnesota on the 16th anniversary of 9/11. His crew has been working with the Vikings to include any pregame commemorative events the team has planned but also will keep an eye out for player protests.

"If you go back to 9/11 and think about it: 3,000 people died, 6,000 injured, hundreds of rescue workers lost. It was the greatest terrorist attack on our country. We feel good about showing it," he said. "Should there be protests during that, I do think we have a responsibility to show it."

But rather than simply show the protests, Rothman wants his crews to talk to players and coaches so they can explain to viewers the feelings behind the protests — "the why," as Rothman says.

That is sure to rankle fans who have been turned off by the anthem protests and the attention they've received. McManus is plenty familiar with the backlash the protests have provoked and says it's one of the reasons fans have cited for tuning out football games last season when ratings suffered, particularly early in the season. That's not reason enough, he said, for his crews to ignore the protests entirely.

"Just because it might not be popular with the viewer at home doesn't mean we're not going to cover it," he said. "There's a lot of things that you do on television that may not be popular, but they're important to do from a journalistic standpoint. If we think it's important journalistically and we think it's part of the story, I don't want to tell them to do it or not to do it."

Network executives say that even if there's a plan in place for Week 1, it could change by Week 2. If the protests continue, the news value could diminish, and the broadcast crews will adjust accordingly.

"I question — just being fully transparent — when is there viewer fatigue and for how many causes?" Rothman said.

Said McManus: "Week 1, I think it's certainly going to be a story. If it's still being done the same way in Week 4, 5 or 6, I'm not sure it still is a story. So we'll make that decision as the season progresses."
 
http://fox8.com/2017/08/31/clevelan...hold-flag-at-game-after-browns-players-kneel/

Cleveland police, EMS unions refuse to hold flag at game after Browns players kneel

CLEVELAND-- There is new fallout from the fierce debate over Cleveland Browns players kneeling during the national anthem.

Cleveland safety forces have backed out of a plan to hold a large flag on the field for the opening game.

A dozen Browns players created a firestorm during a recent preseason game by not standing during the anthem. They created the largest demonstration in the NFL during the anthem since former San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick started his protest more than a year ago.

Some police officers and paramedics are doing something about it. The Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association and ILA Local 1975, representing the city's dispatchers, EMTs and paramedics, said the Browns came to them weeks ago, and the team wanted city safety forces to hold the flag on the field for the opening game.

EMS union president Daniel Nemeth said it sounded great until a group of Browns players took a knee during the anthem.

"This hit home with me. I am a veteran, an 8-year veteran with the U.S. Marine Corps. So, to disrespect the flag by taking a knee is not something I was going to be a part of," Nemeth said.

We tracked down police union president Steve Loomis out of state at a police convention.

"I’m here at a national police convention, and soon as they hear that I'm from Cleveland, the first question is ‘What about those stinking Browns?'" Loomis said. "So if the ownership of the Browns and the league are going to allow that type of stuff to happen, and then come to us and say, ‘We want you to help us with the flag,’ that's hypocritical. We're not gonna participate.”

The stadium sits just steps away from city hall. The FOX 8 I-Team learned the stand being made by the safety forces was discussed by the city's top brass. A city spokesman said the police have been told the Browns will replace the officers, paramedics and firefighters with members of the military.

Linebacker Christian Kirksey recently explained the demonstration by saying, “We respect our veterans, respect our military. We're not protesting against them. We just have our reasons of why we're doing what we're doing.”

But Nemeth said, even if players kneel to pray during the anthem, why then?

"Never really saw it a problem to pray before the game, after the game, during halftime. You told me, and you showed me what your true feelings are."

We repeatedly tried to reach the Browns for comment for this story and we did not hear back.
 

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