Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...

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I thought the discussion was interesting and there's nothing wrong with what Ray Lewis said. The owners and the coaches care about WINNING. It's not the social commentary league, its the FOOTBALL league.

Now if he's being run out of football for what he's said then that's the price he has to pay. None of these supporters will be paying bills and this shit is short lived. There's over dozen players that were in the same boat and they made peace with their decision.

When you look at Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos they all took their lumps while standing up. That's the nature of the beast, you need to make a decision and take your lumps. It will cost you jobs and money but that's what you're faced with when you start getting into politics.
 
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.
 
Shizlansky;c-9846532 said:
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.

BUT Kap is a second string QB who likely would have been replaced anyway. There's a fresh crop of QBs every year.

He's not an essential piece of the team like a Jim Brown or a Bill Russell. He's not a superstar like an Ali either.

And please believe Carlos and Smith paid heavy dues for their actions. Shit was shameful.
 
jono;c-9846534 said:
Shizlansky;c-9846532 said:
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.

BUT Kap is a second string QB who likely would have been replaced anyway. There's a fresh crop of QBs every year.

He's not an essential piece of the team like a Jim Brown or a Bill Russell. He's not a superstar like an Ali either.

And please believe Carlos and Smith paid heavy dues for their actions. Shit was shameful.

A backup QB is so damn valuable.

And teams don't just sign "fresh crop of qbs every year"

They always go for veterans. ALWAYS. And with that being said you don't know what the hell you talking about when it comes to Kaep skill set compared to a lot of these QBs in the league, starters and backups
 
Shizlansky;c-9846538 said:
jono;c-9846534 said:
Shizlansky;c-9846532 said:
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.

BUT Kap is a second string QB who likely would have been replaced anyway. There's a fresh crop of QBs every year.

He's not an essential piece of the team like a Jim Brown or a Bill Russell. He's not a superstar like an Ali either.

And please believe Carlos and Smith paid heavy dues for their actions. Shit was shameful.

A backup QB is so damn valuable.

And teams don't just sign "fresh crop of qbs every year"

They always go for veterans. ALWAYS. And with that being said you don't know what the hell you talking about when it comes to Kaep skill set compared to a lot of these QBs in the league, starters and backups

I didn't say they SIGN them. I said they become available. You can like dude and his "skill set" but he's no gotdamn Bill Russell.

 
Jim Brown gave in a lil bit over the past few years.. Ray is on that path.. he happy to beat murder to a hall of fame career.. he can't speak against the System
 
jono;c-9846534 said:
Shizlansky;c-9846532 said:
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.

BUT Kap is a second string QB who likely would have been replaced anyway. There's a fresh crop of QBs every year.

He's not an essential piece of the team like a Jim Brown or a Bill Russell. He's not a superstar like an Ali either.

And please believe Carlos and Smith paid heavy dues for their actions. Shit was shameful.

I was just about to post that, them dudes mentioned was some of the best at what they do, like dude said on breakfest club said today if russell wilson did the exact same shit, hes still gonna be a qb,same amount of shit yeah, but hes still on a team, kap is nowhere near what he used to be, yeah hes better than alot of backups but not enough to where teams are gonna want all the extra attention and possible fan backlash, thats just looking at it from a pure football standpoint
 
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jono;c-9846430 said:
I thought the discussion was interesting and there's nothing wrong with what Ray Lewis said. The owners and the coaches care about WINNING. It's not the social commentary league, its the FOOTBALL league.

Now if he's being run out of football for what he's said then that's the price he has to pay. None of these supporters will be paying bills and this shit is short lived. There's over dozen players that were in the same boat and they made peace with their decision.

When you look at Muhammad Ali, Tommie Smith and John Carlos they all took their lumps while standing up. That's the nature of the beast, you need to make a decision and take your lumps. It will cost you jobs and money but that's what you're faced with when you start getting into politics.

If it is about winning, what has the other QB signed before Kaep has done as regards to winning in the NFL?

 
stringer bell;c-9845845 said:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/22/colin-kaepernick-police-tweet-nfl-free-agent

Another hit piece on Kap from Albert "I need proof of racism" Breer,,,
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2...hat-to-list-of-fake-reasons-hes-not-employed/

Anonymous Sources Now Tell The MMQB That Kaepernick is Lazy; Add That to List of Fake Reasons He’s Not Employed

The list of reasons of why Kaepernick is unemployed all come from anonymous sources and are being used by a media that seems to have an agenda to keep Kap unemployed because he dares speaks up for black people’s rights.

The latest comes from random anonymous staffers that may or may not still be employed by the 49ers. Albert Breer who has been firmly in the corner of making sure people believe Kaepernick is a terrible quarterback has the story.


As one Niners employee explained it, Kaepernick wouldn’t stay late at the facility during the season like many quarterbacks routinely do, saying he’d take work home. And there were examples where coaches saw what looked like shoddy prep surfacing in inexplicable mental errors in games. Another staffer, asked if he thinks Kaepernick wants to keep playing, answered, “I do think he wants to play—to stay relevant.”

Remember, these guys like Kaepernick, and felt like the distraction he brought to the team was very manageable after the initial surge of attention subsided. And these problems added to the deficiencies in his accuracy and consistency from the pocket.


This is all speculation from one employee. It could have been the guy who washes the jock straps for all we know because it is anonymous. How does anyone know if Kaepernick actually did do the work at home? What are the specific mental errors they are talking about? If Kaepernick was such a poor leader and lazy individual why did his teammates vote him to receive their most prestigious team award? No coach or player has ever questioned Kaepernick’s work ethic, but we are supposed to believe one random staffer?

This is all media whitewashing. Here is a simple opinion based on a lot of facts.

If Kaepernick never kneels, never stands up for black people he has a job right now in the NFL. You can argue he is better than all 20 Free Agent Quarterbacks this season, he surely has accomplished more than all them combined. Even if every single excuse that the media has thrown out was TRUE, if he hadn’t kneeled he would have a job.

The fact most of the excuses are bogus, tells you the media is in on the blackballing, which is sad but not surprising from a media that is 90% white males, why would they care about US?
 
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stringer bell;c-9845845 said:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/22/colin-kaepernick-police-tweet-nfl-free-agent

Another hit piece on Kap from Albert "I need proof of racism" Breer,,,
http://deadspin.com/the-mmqb-colin-kaepernick-needs-to-explain-why-he-dese-1796335437

The MMQB: Colin Kaepernick Needs To Explain Why He Deserves A Job

The Colin Kaepernick situation really isn’t that complicated. Either you believe he is better than a number of current NFL backup quarterbacks and therefore deserves a job, or you don’t. Either you believe that his outspoken political beliefs have earned him a league-wide blackballing, or you believe he’s not even talented enough to merit such treatment. It’s funny, then, to watch NFL reporters, particularly those well-versed in the language of stooging, twist themselves into knots while trying to write about Kaepernick.

The MMQB’s Albert Breer, who has been hard at work positioning himself as the media’s preeminent White Man Just Asking Questions this summer, is the latest to tangle himself up. In a column today, he argues that Colin Kaepernick doesn’t have a job yet because he hasn’t talked about how much he’d like to have a job:


So in the immediate wake of the most controversial thing he’s done since he started kneeling for the anthem, I’m ready to align with others who’ve said it: It’s time for Kaepernick to talk for himself. Doesn’t matter how he does it. It can be through the legion of reporters friendly to his efforts. It can be through a video released on social media. It can be through a Facebook page or a press conference.

Whatever. It’s just time for Kaepernick to talk.

The problem is in the vacuum that his silence has created. It’s been filled with speculation and tea-leaf reading. Meanwhile, teams unsure if Kaepernick was truly interested in continuing his NFL career (rather than focusing solely on his causes) are still wondering. And that’s so long as they haven’t been convinced by his most recent actions that he’s out.


Follow the logic of these paragraphs—while pretending that if Kaepernick was putting out Facebook videos and talking to Dave Zirin, stooge reporters and NFL insiders wouldn’t just be presenting that as proof that he’s more interested in branding himself than in football—and you end up in a bit of a weird place. As Breer has it, there are questions about whether Kaepernick is still interested in playing football not because he has specifically expressed reservations about playing, but because he has continued to show an interest in political causes. Perhaps in the mind of Breer and the front-office types whose conventional wisdom he likes to pass on uncritically, having an interest in something that is not football makes it impossible to also be interested in football. (Is this the case for LeBron James, who wants to become a Hollywood power player? Or Rob Gronkowski, who likes to star in bad movies? Or Carson Wentz, who seems to really enjoy hunting?) If that’s the case, then it says more about the NFL than it does Kaepernick.

Breer has more half-formed thoughts to trip over:

I’ve chronicled here what my reporting has told me. This starts with the erosion of Kaepernick’s playing value, then trickles elsewhere. Bottom line, he’s not seen as a starter, and so teams aren’t making scheme or off-field accommodations for him. That—which is far from a black-balling—has been hard for him to overcome.

No one makes a list of the best 64 or 96 players at any position and just hands out jobs. It doesn’t work that way. Back-half-of-the-roster jobs usually come down to fit.

But Kaepernick also has made it harder on himself, because we’re left to wonder why he keeps doing things unrelated or unnecessary to the movement he’s supporting that hinder his ability to find work. We’re left to wonder why there hasn’t been more aggression from his people in finding him a job. We’re left to wonder, as teams are, if he really wants to play.


So, the league-wide refusal to sign Kaepernick is at least partially due to his political beliefs, but that’s not a form of blackballing, but also, he’s probably not good enough to get a job anyway, but also also, if he would just come out and promise to focus on football and not political causes from now on teams around the league might stop ... doing whatever it is that is not blackballing that they are doing to him.

Breer’s column has led us to a truly stunning revelation: Colin Kaepernick is in fact blackballing himself.
 
The Lonious Monk;c-9844971 said:
Knock_Twice;c-9844915 said:
This some sad shit smh.

I can't see how black folks will watch this shit this upcoming season, do you, free will, but dayum, when is enough

If you're going to stop supporting the NFL because they choose to put business over social responsibility, then please stop supporting every major corporation in America because they all do that. I'm not saying you can't boycott the NFL for this. That's fine, but please don't act like the NFL is the only organization that does this.

playmaker88;c-9845014 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9844971 said:
Knock_Twice;c-9844915 said:
This some sad shit smh.

I can't see how black folks will watch this shit this upcoming season, do you, free will, but dayum, when is enough

If you're going to stop supporting the NFL because they choose to put business over social responsibility, then please stop supporting every major corporation in America because they all do that. I'm not saying you can't boycott the NFL for this. That's fine, but please don't act like the NFL is the only organization that does this.

yup word to your insurance companies.. major retailers.. so on and so forth.. youd be naked hungry and jobless if you took that tact across the board

C/S this to the fullest. This shit is bigger than the NFL.
 
Shizlansky;c-9846532 said:
He's not right because you see examples of some of the GREATEST ever do both

Ali

Jim brown

Bill Russell

Arthur Ashe

Carlos

Smith

All of them dudes are legends in their sport.

So saying he's right is completely wrong.

 
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playmaker88;c-9848719 said:
blackballed

Stew;c-9837824 said:
playmaker88;c-9837800 said:
Stew;c-9837791 said:
playmaker88;c-9837779 said:
Stew;c-9837762 said:
playmaker88;c-9837698 said:
Stew;d-558924 said:
Been watching the Celtics vs Lakers 30 For 30 on ESPN the last few days and my coworker(white) and i asked each other, what would our country be like without sports? It captures a moment of time where there was still parts of the country super racist and prejudice (yes I know ppl are still racist, save it, not what I'm gettin at) and the game of basketball helped eliminate some of it.

What if Jackie Robinson never happened? What if black folks never took over the games of basketball and Football? Do you think our country would still be the same?

Again, I know ppl are still racist and prejudice but 2017 is nothing like 1978.

Sports hasnt done jackshit for race relations.

Its dont just as well as Rap music has..

Spoiler Alert.. look at the social political landscape.. of the NFL and the Kaepernick fiasco.. its a microcosm of todays society.. the optics have changed.. thats it..

Why is Jackie Robinson praised then?

In your opinion, why is Kaepernick not signed? Just cause he's black?

@stew .. because hes not here.. its the nice thing to do america loves nostalgia.. Jackie Robinson didnt fight he existed he took all the slings and arrows and smiled on that was his sacrifice.

No the league is 75% black its because he stood up for black humanity and stepped out of the NFL assembly line.. whenever you do that you are a target.. but when you add depth to that your the enemy.


If Jackie Robinson was only praised just because he fought and took all the slings and arrows why did they induct him in the HOF in 60's when things were still pretty much separate? He was still alive then and Clearly nobody gave a shit about black "rights" back then.

So it sounds like you think hes being blackballed. Why are the players who followed his stance not being blackballed also? Do you think he'd still be on a team if he wasnt a free agent this off season?


Again he took the path of least resistance.. i could be wrong but i dont think he was on the forefront of the civil right fight beyond him integrating baseball.. he was so acceptable because he didnt rock the boat.

for your second question because when you cut off the head.. the body dies. they were backup dancers.. Cant call it be he would be ostracized much like now.. all we can do is talk about whats now not the what ifs with any clarity


Gotcha. Jackie wasnt on the civil rights fight, he went out and did his job and changed the game. For that alone is why he deserves the credit. Judging him for not doing so is absurd imo especially if you havnt dont anything better. If you dont think he helped the landscape for which we live in then you're just being naive.

My take on the Kaep situation is shaky. On one hand I do think he is being blackballed to an extent but him being an avg to below avg qb and playing an awkward style of QB isnt helping his situation. Also he's asking for a lot of money for a back-up QB.


 

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