Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...

[5th Letter]

So saying that we want justice whenever these race soldiers do wrong isn't a solution? All you did was come up with an idea in terms of how you'd want to reach the objective.

I don't know if you're doing it to be difficult or what.

I'm confused. What is difficult about this? If it's something you want, it's not a solution, it's an objective or a desire. The solution would be the means of achieving that objective or desire.

If the problem is police violence against blacks, ending police violence against blacks isn't the solution. Again, that would be the objective. The legislation you put into place to reduce the amount of deaths at the hands of killer cops would be the solution.

The solution is what? What's the ultimate objective? Isn't it to lock up race soldiers? So what is so hard about that to understand I'm saying we as black people want justice and all we want is for these race soldiers to get locked up and no bullshit slap on the wrist.

Race soldier violence against black people isn't going away, we just want justice when they harm us. That's the end game.

 

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http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/09/billy_nungesser_nfl_protests.html

Lt. Gov. Billy Nungesser boycotts Saints over national anthem protests

Louisiana Lt. Gov. Billy Nungesser will be in London Sunday (Oct. 1) when the New Orleans Saints take on the Miami Dolphins, but he won't be going to the game after Saints players protested during the national anthem last week.

In fact, Nungesser said he won't be going to any Saints or National Football League events for the foreseeable future. That's particularly significant since the Republican is the state's elected official in charge of tourism and attracting national sporting events, like Superbowls and NBA All-Star games, to Louisiana.

"I will not go to the game because I am disappointed in the NFL," Nungesser said in an phone interview Tuesday (Sept. 26). "I don't want to get into the battle of the statement they are making or why they are kneeling. I think it is disgraceful that anybody would use that as a time to protest."

The Saints organization did not want to comment on Nungesser's protest when contacted Tuesday.

Nungesser said he is Germany and the United Kingdom all this week talking to airlines and promoting travel from Europe to New Orleans. The trip was initially timed so he could attend the Saints game in London on Sunday. He said attending the game was initially part of his efforts to promote Louisiana overseas.

Ten Saints were among more than 200 players from the National Football League who refused to stand for the national anthem during games Sunday and Monday. Four other Saints also stood in solidarity near the 10 players who sat out the national anthem, though they didn't sit down themselves.

New Orleans Pelicans players are also discussing whether they will sit during the national anthem when the NBA season starts up next month.

These types of demonstrations initially started in 2016 with former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who refused to stand for the national anthem in order to draw attention to police brutality against black people and other minorities.

"They are using this great opportunity they have to disgrace America," Nungesser said. "They say they are protesting police brutality. There are only a handful of police that have been convicted of doing something wrong."

Kaepernick got some support from players last year, though nothing like the demonstrations seen over the weekend. The protests intensified this past weekend because of comments President Donald Trump made at an Alabama campaign rally Friday night and on Twitter since then.

Trump called on NFL team owners to fire players who refused to stand during the national anthem. The president referred to any player who protests as a "son of a b----" on national television Friday.

Several NFL players, including those on the Saints, have said the protests are not reflective of how they feel about the military. They aren't meant to be disrespectful to veterans, but instead draw awareness to challenges facing minorities. The majority of NFL players are African American.

"Obviously, everybody knows about the president's comments and I'm just trying to support, really, the movement that (Kaepernick) started," Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro said after Sunday's game. "I've always felt like we needed to do something and I didn't want to disrespect anyone."

In his interview, Nungesser wouldn't say whether he agreed or disagreed with Trump's sentiment that football players should be fired if they don't stand during the national anthem. The lieutenant governor didn't seem to want to be associated with Trump's use of profanity. "He probably didn't say it in the right way," Nungesser said of the president's comments.

Nungesser emphasized that many people are as upset with the Saints and NFL as he is. He has gotten a number of calls asking for Saints players to be banned from events, including Mardi Gras parades, he said.

The lieutenant governor also didn't say whether he would support pulling state funding, tax incentives and other support from the Saints and Pelicans professional sports teams. Two lawmakers have asked that the Legislature review the state's contract with the organizations, owned by Tom Benson, because they are unhappy with the protests.

About $165 million of the Saints' $1.5 billion value can be attributed to public funding, tax breaks and incentives given to Benson each year, according to an analysis The Times-Picayune | NOLA.com conducted in 2016. Benson, Louisiana's richest resident, owes a good portion of his estimated $2.2 billion fortune to his ownership of the Saints and Pelicans, which are both supported with taxpayer money.

Initially during the interview, Nungesser said it was "worth discussing" whether Louisiana should offer so much support to the Saints given the recent protests. Later, he said he didn't have an opinion on whether the contracts should be reviewed by legislators. "That's not my job to review those agreements," he said.

The argument for the state being so generous with the Saints and Pelicans is that the teams attract so many visitors to Louisiana, particularly New Orleans. The teams also make the Superdome and Smoothie King Center attractive venues for large events such as the Super Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Essence Festival, according to defenders of the agreement.

Only a handful of other NFL teams enjoy cost-free leases in stadiums that were entirely built with public money. Such deals are also rare in the NBA. Even in the world of professional sports where states and cities throw money at teams to get them to stay, Benson's Saints and Pelicans deals remain outliers.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So saying that we want justice whenever these race soldiers do wrong isn't a solution? All you did was come up with an idea in terms of how you'd want to reach the objective.

I don't know if you're doing it to be difficult or what.

I'm confused. What is difficult about this? If it's something you want, it's not a solution, it's an objective or a desire. The solution would be the means of achieving that objective or desire.

If the problem is police violence against blacks, ending police violence against blacks isn't the solution. Again, that would be the objective. The legislation you put into place to reduce the amount of deaths at the hands of killer cops would be the solution.

The solution is what? What's the ultimate objective? Isn't it to lock up race soldiers? So what is so hard about that to understand I'm saying we as black people want justice and all we want is for these race soldiers to get locked up and no bullshit slap on the wrist.

Race soldier violence against black people isn't going away, we just want justice when they harm us. That's the end game.

If you were the leader of a local protest group, and a local government official came up to you and said "Hey, I believe in what you guys are fighting for, but honestly, I don't know how to accomplish your goals. Do you have any suggestions for solutions to the problems?"

Would your answer really be "Yes, lock up the race soldiers." If so and if others really think like you, then I see why none of these protests are really accomplishing anything.

 

[5th Letter]

So saying that we want justice whenever these race soldiers do wrong isn't a solution? All you did was come up with an idea in terms of how you'd want to reach the objective.

I don't know if you're doing it to be difficult or what.

I'm confused. What is difficult about this? If it's something you want, it's not a solution, it's an objective or a desire. The solution would be the means of achieving that objective or desire.

If the problem is police violence against blacks, ending police violence against blacks isn't the solution. Again, that would be the objective. The legislation you put into place to reduce the amount of deaths at the hands of killer cops would be the solution.

The solution is what? What's the ultimate objective? Isn't it to lock up race soldiers? So what is so hard about that to understand I'm saying we as black people want justice and all we want is for these race soldiers to get locked up and no bullshit slap on the wrist.

Race soldier violence against black people isn't going away, we just want justice when they harm us. That's the end game.

If you were the leader of a local protest group, and a local government official came up to you and said "Hey, I believe in what you guys are fighting for, but honestly, I don't know how to accomplish your goals. Do you have any suggestions for solutions to the problems?"

Would your answer really be "Yes, lock up the race soldiers." If so and if others really think like you, then I see why none of these protests are really accomplishing anything.

Actually I'd tell that person that we need to form super pac's, we need lawyers, judges, police etc in our back pockets, we need to buy out these people in order to get things done in our favor. But if we are talking about the problem of why people are protesting the solution to stopping these protests is by justice being served and punishing race soldiers. But if people think like you we'd be on some hug your enemy kumbaya bullshit.

 

[bossdon201]

http://www.tsn.ca/sharks-ward-considers-kneeling-for-anthem-1.867862

Sharks' Ward considers kneeling for anthem - Article - TSN

The protests that have taken place in the NFL could also possibly happen in the NHL, as San Jose Sharks forward Joel Ward told The Mercury News he is not ruling out the possibility of taking a knee during the national anthem.

“It’s definitely something I wouldn’t cross out,” Ward told the San Jose-based newspaper when asked about joining the protests. “I’ve experienced a lot of racism myself in hockey and on a day-to-day occurrence. I haven’t really sat down to think about it too much yet, but I definitely wouldn’t say no to it.”

Ward, a Toronto native, told the Mercury News that he dealt with racism in the youth hockey system with both players and people in the stands making racist comments towards him as he played.

“I had no clue what the words meant until my parents educated me about what was going on in my surroundings,” Ward said. “I was just a kid who fell in love with the game and picked up a hockey stick. I didn’t really look at it as color.”

Ward also dealt with the issue after becoming an NHL player when, following a playoff series-winning goal against the Boston Bruins in 2012, he was bombarded on Twitter with both racist comments and death threats from Bruins fans.

The 36-year-old told the Mercury News that he’s been subjected to racial profiling off the ice, in addition to what he’s been subjected to while in uniform.

“I’ve dealt with it a lot,” Ward said. “I’ve had a few things that have happened to me that you could say are not the norm. I’ve been singled out at different events. I’ve been pulled over. I’ve dealt with racism right to my face.”

Ward says that being a Canadian playing in America would not stop him from taking a knee for the anthem because he’s had to endure racist treatment on both sides of the border.

Sharks head coach Peter DeBoer told the Mercury News that he would have his player’s back if he decided to protest during the anthem.

“I went to law school. I’m a big freedom of speech guy,” DeBoer said. “Everyone has the right to message how they want to. That’s what makes our countries great, Canada and the U.S., is the freedom to able to express yourself if you feel like you’ve been wronged or there’s an injustice.”

Ward said he’s also discussed the situation with general manager Doug Wilson and received support.

I hope he decides to do it at a Boston game

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So saying that we want justice whenever these race soldiers do wrong isn't a solution? All you did was come up with an idea in terms of how you'd want to reach the objective.

I don't know if you're doing it to be difficult or what.

I'm confused. What is difficult about this? If it's something you want, it's not a solution, it's an objective or a desire. The solution would be the means of achieving that objective or desire.

If the problem is police violence against blacks, ending police violence against blacks isn't the solution. Again, that would be the objective. The legislation you put into place to reduce the amount of deaths at the hands of killer cops would be the solution.

The solution is what? What's the ultimate objective? Isn't it to lock up race soldiers? So what is so hard about that to understand I'm saying we as black people want justice and all we want is for these race soldiers to get locked up and no bullshit slap on the wrist.

Race soldier violence against black people isn't going away, we just want justice when they harm us. That's the end game.

If you were the leader of a local protest group, and a local government official came up to you and said "Hey, I believe in what you guys are fighting for, but honestly, I don't know how to accomplish your goals. Do you have any suggestions for solutions to the problems?"

Would your answer really be "Yes, lock up the race soldiers." If so and if others really think like you, then I see why none of these protests are really accomplishing anything.

Actually I'd tell that person that we need to form super pac's, we need lawyers, judges, police etc in our back pockets, we need to buy out these people in order to get things done in our favor. But if we are talking about the problem of why people are protesting the solution to stopping these protests is by justice being served and punishing race soldiers. But if people think like you we'd be on some hug your enemy kumbaya bullshit.

So I'm on kumbaya bullshit because I posted a site that has actual policy and legislation that could be implemented to achieve the goal you claim you want?

Ok. Ya'll niggas stay saying stupid shit for no reason. If you think the solution is forming super pacs and getting lawyers, judges, and police in our back pockets, you could have said that from the start instead of engaging in a meaningless and fruitless semantics argument.

 

[5th Letter]

So saying that we want justice whenever these race soldiers do wrong isn't a solution? All you did was come up with an idea in terms of how you'd want to reach the objective.

I don't know if you're doing it to be difficult or what.

I'm confused. What is difficult about this? If it's something you want, it's not a solution, it's an objective or a desire. The solution would be the means of achieving that objective or desire.

If the problem is police violence against blacks, ending police violence against blacks isn't the solution. Again, that would be the objective. The legislation you put into place to reduce the amount of deaths at the hands of killer cops would be the solution.

The solution is what? What's the ultimate objective? Isn't it to lock up race soldiers? So what is so hard about that to understand I'm saying we as black people want justice and all we want is for these race soldiers to get locked up and no bullshit slap on the wrist.

Race soldier violence against black people isn't going away, we just want justice when they harm us. That's the end game.

If you were the leader of a local protest group, and a local government official came up to you and said "Hey, I believe in what you guys are fighting for, but honestly, I don't know how to accomplish your goals. Do you have any suggestions for solutions to the problems?"

Would your answer really be "Yes, lock up the race soldiers." If so and if others really think like you, then I see why none of these protests are really accomplishing anything.

Actually I'd tell that person that we need to form super pac's, we need lawyers, judges, police etc in our back pockets, we need to buy out these people in order to get things done in our favor. But if we are talking about the problem of why people are protesting the solution to stopping these protests is by justice being served and punishing race soldiers. But if people think like you we'd be on some hug your enemy kumbaya bullshit.

So I'm on kumbaya bullshit because I posted a site that has actual policy and legislation that could be implemented to achieve the goal you claim you want?

Ok. Ya'll niggas stay saying stupid shit for no reason. If you think the solution is forming super pacs and getting lawyers, judges, and police in our back pockets, you could have said that from the start instead of engaging in a meaningless and fruitless semantics argument.

No, the original point that you clearly missed was that the protests are going on because of injustice. If they want the protests to end then the solution is locking up race soldiers, that was my answer.

 

[Recaptimus_Prime360]

So a chick writing for the NY Times that has regular access to Trump wrote an article confirming that Trump purposely launched his attack against the NFL for the specific reason of dividing the country. He's essentially using the protests as a means to galvanize his base, and it's not some off the cuff thing. It was planned out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/trump-nascar-nfl-protests.html?mcubz=3

Knew this whole shyt was a smokescreen to begin with

 

[The Lonious Monk]

But I was never talking about ending the protests. I don't give a shit what the people whining about the protests want. For the third time, when I was talking about solutions, I was talking about ideas that protesters could promote that when implemented would achieve the ultimate goal of ending unfair treatment of our people by the police.

Of course we want them to lock up dirty cops, but putting that out there as a proposed solution would not lead to anything. We have to promote the ideas that would lead to more dirty cops being locked up. That's why I posted that site.

 

[Angeles1son85]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZjKnmijZRN/

Lol that last tweet is so stupid all you can do is laugh

i cant stop laughin at him name droppin jerry jones lol i know jerry aint like that

 

[TheBoyRo]

 

[whatevathehell]

just saw in the charlotte observer where cam newton is considering doing it at new england. I hope he doesnt because his recent shitty play and the owner of this team might end up in him getting the kap treatment.

 

[MR.CJ]

 

[farris2k1]

Wow thats gay as fuck

 

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https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/da...witter-outburst-cowboys-really-paid-attention

Dak Prescott responds to President Trump's Cowboys Twitter outburst

Dak Prescott hasn't been following President Trump's tweets about the Cowboys in recent days and added that everyone has figured out by now the president will say whatever he wants.

"I really haven't paid attention," Prescott said Wednesday when asked to comment on what the president has had to say about his team on Twitter.

The Cowboys took a knee as a team before the flag was unfurled then stood for the national anthem Monday night. Since then, President Trump has taken to Twitter to say he never heard booing as loud as he did when the Cowboys took a knee but he did like them linking arms during the anthem, calling that progress.

The president began today by saying he spoke to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, called Jones a winner who knows how to get things done and concluded the tweet by saying "Players will stand for Country!"

Prescott was asked for his thoughts after he was informed of today's tweet.

"That's between them, I guess," Prescott said. "I'm not here to judge what the President said. I mean, he's free to speak just like the rest of us are. He's going to say whatever he wants. We've all figured that out.

"For me, it's just about doing the best I can to help this team and show unity about what we're trying to accomplish in this country."

 

[farris2k1]

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/09/27/dak-prescott-president-trumps-twitter-outburst-cowboys-really-paid-attention

Dak Prescott responds to President Trump's Cowboys Twitter outburst

Dak Prescott hasn't been following President Trump's tweets about the Cowboys in recent days and added that everyone has figured out by now the president will say whatever he wants.

"I really haven't paid attention," Prescott said Wednesday when asked to comment on what the president has had to say about his team on Twitter.

The Cowboys took a knee as a team before the flag was unfurled then stood for the national anthem Monday night. Since then, President Trump has taken to Twitter to say he never heard booing as loud as he did when the Cowboys took a knee but he did like them linking arms during the anthem, calling that progress.

The president began today by saying he spoke to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, called Jones a winner who knows how to get things done and concluded the tweet by saying "Players will stand for Country!"

Prescott was asked for his thoughts after he was informed of today's tweet.

"That's between them, I guess," Prescott said. "I'm not here to judge what the President said. I mean, he's free to speak just like the rest of us are. He's going to say whatever he wants. We've all figured that out.

"For me, it's just about doing the best I can to help this team and show unity about what we're trying to accomplish in this country."

No suprise, he the qb of "americas team" he sure as hell aint tryna have the fans turn on his ass, hell be good nigger for his master for the forseable future

 

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http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...them-protest-michigan-state-police/705511001/

State police director's FB post: NFL players who take knee during anthem are 'degenerates'

LANSING — The director of the Michigan State Police has sparked a controversy by wading into the national debate over whether NFL players should stand for the national anthem through a strongly worded message she posted to social media.

A message shared by Col. Kriste Kibbey Etue on her Facebook page Sunday, in an apparent reference to athletes participating in anthem demonstrations, calls them "millionaire ingrates who hate America and disrespect our armed forces and veterans" and "a bunch of rich, entitled, arrogant, ungrateful, anti-American degenerates."

The protests, starting in 2016 when former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick said he took a knee for the pre-game national anthem to protest oppression against people of color, have grown and gained international attention, especially after a Friday speech by President Donald Trump last week in which he referred to the demonstrators as SOBs who should be fired.

Etue's posting of the message, signed "we the people," reportedly upset some black troopers in a department that has been under scrutiny for its lack of racial diversity.

The department is also under fire and facing protests in Detroit after 15-year-old Damon Grimes of Detroit died following a state trooper firing a Taser through a police vehicle window at him, in violation of policy, while pursuing the teen, who then crashed his ATV.

Leonard Mungo, a Detroit attorney who has represented about a dozen black and white troopers in civil disputes with the department, said the posting demonstrates "kind of a dangerous mindset for someone in her powerful position."

It's "scary that they don't understand that America is defined by its freedoms, and one of these freedoms is freedom of speech," Mungo said. It also "has implications for why the state police ... don't have representative numbers of African Americans in their ranks," he said.

Shanon Banner, a spokeswoman for Etue, said the colonel's Facebook post was not about race, and was posted not publicly, but so that only Etue's friends would see it.

"As a public servant, Col. Etue has great respect for the armed forces and those who fight to protect our freedoms, Banner said in an e-mail to the Free Press.

Etue did not create the post, Banner said. "It’s a meme that is posted in other places around the Internet," she said.

The Free Press reported in 2015 that 22 years after it was freed from federal oversight for failing to hire enough blacks, women and other minorities, the Michigan State Police had relapsed into a department overwhelmingly dominated by white males.

At that time, the 59 blacks among the 1,134 state troopers represented less than half the number the State Police had when a federal consent decree was lifted in 1993, during which time the percentage of black troopers in the department plummeted from 12.5% to 5.2%, the newspaper reported.

The article said that in a sign the declining trend could continue, only 14, or just more than 3%, of the last 430 recruits to graduate from the department's six most recent trooper schools — all held since Republican Gov. Rick Snyder took office in 2011 — had been black.

Since the article ran, the department has stepped up its recruitment of women and minorities and significantly boosted the number of blacks graduating from its trooper schools. But blacks in the department still don't reflect Michigan's demographic make-up, where blacks make up about 14% of the population.

John C. Stewart, a Plymouth attorney who served in the state House as a Republican but later switched his allegiance to the Democrats, is among Etue's Facebook friends and confirmed that the post attributed to Etue remained on her Facebook timeline Tuesday afternoon.

"This is unprofessional and does not sound like something that would have been authored by Kriste," Stewart told the Free Press.

Rep. Klint Kesto, R-Commerce Township, chairman of the House Law and Justice Committee, said he'd like to see "more unity, less hypersensitivity, and more respect for people and ideas" on all sides.

Kesto said he wants to support veterans and those currently serving in the armed forces and police forces and doesn't want to make generalized criticisms about either an NFL player who opts to take a knee or someone who chooses to post a meme to social media.

In full, the posting reads as follows:

“Dear NFL: We will not support millionaire ingrates who hate America and disrespect our armed forces and veterans. Who wins a football game has zero impact on our lives.

"Who fights for and defends our nation has every impact on our lives. We stand with the heroes, not a bunch of rich, entitled, arrogant, ungrateful, anti-American degenerates. Signed, we the people.”

Smh.. That meme should’ve end with “Signed, we the privileged white people”.. That would’ve been way more accurate...

 

[black caesar]

https://twitter.com/SheHatesJacoby/status/912860430455930885

Muthafucca went Super Saiyan 2 on the coonin like...

Ray Lewis thinks everyone is confused except himself.

One thing I noticed was that he called the protest "chaos".

 

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http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...tate-police-director-facebook-post/707202001/

Michigan State Police director apologizes for anti-protest Facebook post

LANSING -- The director of the Michigan State Police apologized late Tuesday for sharing a Facebook message disparaging athletes who kneel during the national anthem as “anti-American degenerates,” but the apology came amid strong criticism and calls for her resignation or firing.

Col. Kriste Kibbey Etue shared a message on her personal Facebook page Sunday that said athletes who take a knee during the pre-game national anthem -- an action several of the players have described as a symbolic protest against racial oppression and incidents of police brutality against blacks -- are "millionaire ingrates who hate America and disrespect our armed forces and veterans" and "a bunch of rich, entitled, arrogant, ungrateful, anti-American degenerates."

The message, which could only be directly viewed by Etue's friends, drew outrage when it was first reported by the Free Press early Tuesday evening.

"It is the sworn duty of the State Police Director to uphold the Constitution which protects all people in this State and to demonstrate respect for those principles," Michigan ACLU Director Kary Moss wrote on Facebook.

"She undermines her own position and the trust of the community with these remarks and utter disregard of the people she represents."

Late Tuesday, Etue apologized on the MSP Facebook page.

"It was a mistake to share this message on Facebook and I sincerely apologize to anyone who was offended," Etue's post read.

"I will continue my focus on the unity at the Michigan State Police and in communities across Michigan."

Etue's Facebook page, where public posts and profile photos could be viewed Tuesday, appeared to be deleted or made inaccessible today.

The Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality said Tuesday that Etue should be fired.

"Etue's words simply reflect the continued racist actions of the Michigan State Police, both in how they treat our citizens and in how their hiring demographics fail to even approach equity," coalition spokesman Kenneth Reed said in a news release.

"There needs to be complete overhaul of the department, and we urge the Michigan Black Caucus to call an emergency meeting to address the issue and develop a list of demands..."

The Michigan Legislative Black Caucus on Wednesday said Etue should resign or be fired.

Lonnie Scott, executive director of the liberal group Progress Michigan, which had called for Etue's resignation hours earlier, said Etue's apology statement is "not good enough."

"This isn't about people being offended," Scott posted on Facebook. "It's about the leader of the State Police missing the entire point of protesting police brutality. This statement helps nothing."

The Michigan National Action Network also called on Etue to resign.

But Gov. Rick Snyder won't be asking for Etue's resignation, a spokeswoman said Wednesday.

"The Colonel said she made a mistake and publicly apologized," Anna Heaton said in an e-mail to the Free Press.

"She has served with distinction as an outstanding public servant for decades. The Governor will not be asking her to resign."

Etue's sharing of a meme related to the NFL controversy signed "We the People," also drew many expressions of support for her and the message she shared.

"Good for her," Dale Bogard of Plymouth, a retired information technology worker from Ford, said in an e-mail to the Free Press Tuesday. "It's high time people stood up for decency and respect for this country."

Gov. Rick Snyder's office did not immediately respond to an e-mail early Wednesday seeking comment from him.