CNN's Don Lemon goes full on Coon. O’Reilly:‘He Doesn’t Go Far Enough’ In Criticizing Black Culture"

[twizza 77]

Ironically, the poor black people he's talking about probably don't watch his show, to hear his pet peeves about them. If he was that concern about it that much he would go into the those areas address it there, and provide solutions.

 

[Undefeatable]

You know what, 3-4 years ago I would be the only person (or one of very few) defending some of the things being said in the thread. Now there is a more even debate. That's progress, even if I don't quite agree with everything that is being said on "my" side.

This makes me think that, one day, negros will win. Changing our mentality is more than half the battle.

The thing to always remember is that whatever side you take, put race -- instead of personal interests -- first. Maybe one day our descendants will be able to do the reverse.

 

[ghostdog56]

This nigga said he lives in Harlem and it is mostly black. So why doesnt he go in the streets and tell these niggas to they face to pull up they pants,stop using the n word,and having babies out of wedlock what is the point of saying it to a white audience when the people you claim to be talking about are right outside your front door? Also can somebody tell me how black Harlem still is because I heard it got gentrified like a mutha I bet he lives in the white section of Harlem.

 

[gem$tone]

This nigga said he lives in Harlem and it is mostly black. So why doesnt he go in the streets and tell these niggas to they face to pull up they pants,stop using the n word,and having babies out of wedlock what is the point of saying it to a white audience when the people you claim to be talking about are right outside your front door? Also can somebody tell me how black Harlem still is because I heard it got gentrified like a mutha I bet he lives in the white section of Harlem.

It is, like crazy. They are everywhere like it's midtown Manhattan. I mean they brought some nice things wit them like Joe's crab shack, red lobster and a mall on the east side. Wish I would've been in a position to buy a condo or something back in 05-06, would've been a nice flip.

But yeah he probably live in one of those buildings where you park and take the elevator up. Never even see what's outside your front door.

 

[desertrain10]

I have been out of the loop for a minute and I see this thread has really done numbers. It appears that the general consensus around here is that Don Lemon is a coon and Bill O'Reilly is an old racist. I'm neither going to add to these assertions or deconstruct them. However, if both men were critiqued on their opinions alone I don't think any rational person could find what they said any more offensive than what is recited in some of these rap songs. Shouldn't the rappers who constantly put forth lyrics that degrade black women and perpetuate black death be vilified by us as well? Should we not call out the ratchet black women on Love and HipHop and basketball wives who breathe fresh air into old stereotypes? Should we not call out the television show Scandal, in which a black women plays the stereotypical "bed wench" for some white man? Good enough to fuck but never to marry. Are these individuals not moon shine, buck dancing "coons" as well?

I know these are all example from the entertainment industry but based on some of the responses, a lot of you aren't upset at what Don Lemon actually said. You guys upset that he said it on CNN in front a predominately white audience. A lot of us disliked it only perpetuated the negative stereotypes that many whites have about us. But considering the various depictions of us engaging in debauchery already, I doubt what he said had much effect.

I can take this point even further by pointing out the politicians who use our votes to get in office but are quick to dismiss any of our concerns when they get in office. Or what about the preachers who can build a mega million dollar church in the middle of the hood surrounded by abandon houses and buildings. What about the young bastard sons of single mothers who shoot up a neighborhood striking the innocent five year old playing on his bicycle? Are they not coons? Are the not sellouts?

Don Lemon may be a pompous coon but what is put forth by the very same people we embraced is far more harmful to our image as a people than anything he can say.

Smh...

Art is a representation of society. So instead of breaking the mirror, we need to take a look at american soceity as a whole. I can find hints of homophobia, sexism, calls for violence in rock lyrics, "white" shows, movies as well. Thats no coincidence

And not all rap music is bad. I dunno about you but the majority of blk people I know hate mainstream rap music and dont buy the music...

Also there are blks who do are making or want to make wholesome family friendly entertainment they just dont have a platform or the capital because of their skin color. And dont say there isnt an audience. Sundays Best a show on BET is one of their highest rated....

With that said for the average non-black person to hear a popular black news anchor on a respected news network to voice the same sentiments as a Bill O'Rielly is big and his actions should be condemned... further pushes this message that the blame for oppression lies with the oppressed...and the onus on us to change to ‘earn’ basic rights and privileges that are extended to other races, no matter if their shortcomings

Heres some excerpts from an article stopitfive posted that I think u should read it sums up perfectly why some blks took offense to lemons comments:

Don Lemon holds so tightly to the myth of black moral and cultural deficiency that he completely missed the absurdity of prescribing the abandonment of sagging pants and use of "the N word" as an antidote to the governmental divestment from black communities that results in failing school systems and unchecked mass incarceration. Lemon's comfort in delivering half truths illustrates the deep commitment many feel to perpetuating a single narrative on blackness without regard to facts.

Marriage patterns are tied closely to education and income. If Lemon and his cohort dared to look closely at the figures, they'd find poverty is the cause not the consequence. Respectable Black Saviors speak of the prevalence of violence and unwed mothers but never care to learn the stories behind the statistics. Instead of lashing out at white supremacy, the root of structural inequality, they incessantly reference malignant blackness because, frankly, it's easier and they'll always have an audience.

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http://www.forharriet.com/2013/07/don-lemon-and-middle-class-embrace-of.html

How r we goin to improve social equality in this country if we countinue to focus on the symptoms and not the disease

Your whole argument is based on the notion that we bear absolutely NONE of the blame for our own condition. And instead of trying to fix the problems that we have the power fix, it would be more logical to wait on the greater white establishment to invoke the social equality that we've been fighting for all these years.

Last time I checked blacks make up more than 12% of the population and have over a trillion dollars in spending power. We have the capacity to change ourselves and our communities without any help of the government.

Lol im arguing that while every race has their bad apples, the majority of blk people are hard working and family oriented

and even if we were it doesnt give anyone the right to discriminate against us

Plenty of blame to go around for the racial inequalities that exist but saggin pants are not the culprit

had lemon suggested that upper and middle class blk should use their money to invest into there community this thread would have prob never been made

Given

Blacks are only 13% of the US population, yet we're the only group of ppl that the media chooses to constantly scrutinize. Negative studies and stats about Blacks are broadcast on national news segments and the media is always so quick to display this information. But Whites are the majority of the population, but you wont ever see the media reporting on how most serial killers and pedophiles are white men or why the # of white women in prison is growing faster than ever. This tap dancing clown ass nigga did not need to go on national news and spew our dirty laundry and reinforce stereotypes to these crackas.

Well once again, people are uneducated on the unique status of African Americans. All they see is the success stories and gradual acclimation of wealth/status that other minority groups are attaining contrasted with the disproportionate amount of crime, poverty, and lack of educational attainment that exists within the Black community, and we're the second oldest, yet most definitive minority group within the country. If you don't know the details (which most don't), its a really bad look.

But im not naive either. For all this post racial America bullshit, you get the feeling that even if the script were flipped, Blacks would still be hated and resented on some level. Like GTFOH with all of this criticism and studies and consisting harping on the state of Blacks; shit aint all altruistic. Some of it is rooted in pure, passed down disgust of Blacks.

Most of its rooted in hate

Its no coincidence that the shrinking Native American community is doing even worst then blks, and just about every minority lags behide white men far as wages and wealth goes, Most all these Media members, who talk of this post race soceity and like to point the fingers at blacks for their lot in life without questioning the structural forces that promote inequality are the real problem

They arent dumb, all its doin is fear mongering... perpetuating racist sterotypes and parading it around as fact

Sad part is a lot of blks who are doing well for themselves buy into this garbage instead of investing into their communities

 

[desertrain10]

Phone post lol...smh

 

[jono]

 

[twizza 77]

=youtu.be

 

[damobb2deep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ZuguDIViI&feature=youtu.be

i fucks wit bomani jones... he was dropping knowledge... especially the last 10 mins..

 

[Ioniz3dSPIRITZ]

@deserttrain10 Again, what does pointing out that every race has it's bad apples have to do with confronting the social ill's of black people. How does that lessen the degree to which our community is suffering. And you said most of our people are family oriented...Do you seriously believe this with 70% of our children being born out of wedlock? This shouldn't even be an argument.

And if structural inequality is the root cause of all our ills why is it that generations before us had a better understanding of community and family? Why didn't the generations that were closer to slavery exhibit the same level of social decadence that you see among blacks today?

 

[stringer bell]

 

[damobb2deep]

@deserttrain10 Again, what does pointing out that every race has it's bad apples have to do with confronting the social ill's of black people. How does that lessen the degree to which our community is suffering. And you said most of our people are family oriented...Do you seriously believe this with 70% of our children being born out of wedlock? This shouldn't even be an argument.

And if structural inequality is the root cause of all our ills why is it that generations before us had a better understanding of community and family? Why didn't the generations that were closer to slavery exhibit the same level of social decadence that you see among blacks today?

70% of us are born out of wedlock don't mean 70% of black kids don't kno both parents.. or don't have both parents in they lives... i have cuzins that they parents was together 4 damn near 20 years... never married but both was and still is in they kids life..

and rather u kno it or not the " black family" is recovering and is in a better shape then it was 20/30 years ago when crack came..

and don't think that the generations that was closer 2 slavery family values was better... the men tended 2 be drunks and abusers because the moment they walked out they house they was abused.. look at movies like " beloved" and " the color purple" was those men in those movies " model husbands"

and don't get me to the point of when slavery was in effect... white slave owners would " breed" us.. some plantations we wasn't able 2 marry period.. so the 1st generation after slavery honestly they had no guide and a lot of what would be the equivalent 2 soldiers and ptsd... so honestly even tho we have came a LONG way.. we did exibit the same social decadence...

 

[desertrain10]

@deserttrain10 Again, what does pointing out that every race has it's bad apples have to do with confronting the social ill's of black people. How does that lessen the degree to which our community is suffering. And you said most of our people are family oriented...Do you seriously believe this with 70% of our children being born out of wedlock? This shouldn't even be an argument.

And if structural inequality is the root cause of all our ills why is it that generations before us had a better understanding of community and family? Why didn't the generations that were closer to slavery exhibit the same level of social decadence that you see among blacks today?

lol

first of all the source of the blk community's problems are not social decadence...it's actually social and economic inequality. both of which are rooted in racism and white supremacy. forces every generation of blacks have had to deal with to a lesser and lesser degree

with that said, marriage rates for every race has been on the decline and just because a child is "illegitimate" doesn't mean that his or her father is not an active participate in their lives, or does it mean that the child doesn't live with both parents. and people deciding not to get married is often a result of poverty and economic insecurity rather than a cause. poor people of every race tend not to marry...

marriage is not the answer anyways... according to researchers employed by harvard university :

Almost 36% of American's impoverished children -- 5.9 million kids -- live with married parents. If we include low-income families -- people who are just one missed pay check, one illness or one divorce away from poverty -- the figure rises to nearly 50%.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/brucewestern/files/fqant08.pdf

my point about every race having its bad apples is that the offenses lemon listed individuals of every race have been guilty of..therefore his comments are extremely misleading and reinforces the notion that the average black person is a dangerous criminal unworthy of respect, empathy, or equal protection under the law... which is the furthest thing from the truth and hurts us all, especially considering in reality most blacks are good, up standing people.

and although things are not perfect and far from it , to suggest that as a community we are not in better position then "generations closer to slavery" is laughable... blks today are more college educated then ever before, we hold more positions of leadership in the political and corporate arena then ever before, nationally blk poverty rates are at all time lows, etc....

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmdlMlRdt7Y

I fucks wit ill doc ... Always kickin some straight laced sensible game

 

[young_reezy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN_CnaVJnq0

 

[stringer bell]

CNN's Don Lemon talks about his open letter to Russell Simmons regarding race.

 

[damobb2deep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnAj8NId5vI

CNN's Don Lemon talks about his open letter to Russell Simmons regarding race.

smh dude did basically say we are our own reason we are in the situation he must not have understood..

 

[Darth Sidious]

There is a strong correlation between being unmarried with kids and being poor. However you look at it, it's not helpful to be unmarried and raising kids. Generations before did a much better job grasping this concept while today's generation thinks they can do it on their own or get help from the govt.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2003/09/childrenfamilies-haskins

Another striking difference between the poor and nonpoor is the much smaller proportion of the poor who are married. In 2001, 81 percent of nonpoor families with children were headed by married couples. This compares to only 40 percent among poor families with children (table 1). In part this reflects higher marriage rates among the better educated or more skilled and in part it reflects the fact that such families increasingly have two earners, lifting them out of poverty whatever the size of their individual paychecks.

 

[Ajackson17]

Economics = Morals and Ethics ususally go hand to hand. The proof is in the pudding. There are rare exception, but not to speak on this is foolish and you have agenda and being subjective and not objective. In other words this dude is a clown and a slave.

 

[kAjUn]

So now a lot of conservative whites are saying Lemon is the type of man that is needed to lead and help the black community......LOL

Wasn't too long ago where they was firing off on him for his stance for the Trayvon Martin case.....