Chris Matthews: I almost forgot Obama was black...

[perspective@100]

Germany had troubles in World War I for reasons like "we're totally surrounded by countries we're fighting" and "we didn't plan for such a long war" and "shit, here comes the US." who blamed the loss on being stabbed in the back by leftists and Jews and leftist Jews? Nazis and additional Nazis.

Maybe its because I used the word greed. It was not on purpose just came out like that. Anyway, it is a fact the Zionist leaders established a deal to populate Palestine as their homeland for the Jews ensuing Germany's defeat during World War I. A major home base of the Zionist organization was located in Berlin. Germany was dominating in the early part of the war before the U.S. joined. Zionist had major influence at the time even in U.S. government." Here comes the U.S."

 

[DarcSkies777]

WHAT "black conscious movements"?

LOL Damn...

Sadly, you make a good point.

 

[janklow]

Anyway, it is a fact the Zionist leaders established a deal to populate Palestine as their homeland for the Jews ensuing Germany's defeat during World War I.

so what exactly did they do to "ensure Germany's defeat?" because the nature of the conflict wasn't caused by Jews, the deviations from Germany's war plans weren't caused by Jews, and entry into the war by the US wasn't caused by Jews. but given how harsh the resolution of the war was, the Nazis DID pump up claims that Germany could only have lost by being "stabbed in the back" and blaming Jews.

Germany was dominating in the early part of the war before the U.S. joined.

no. Germany was dominating at the start of the war until about 1915, but after that i think it's fair to say no one was "dominating." maybe this depends on what we call dominating?

 

[perspective@100]

so what exactly did they do to "ensure Germany's defeat?" because the nature of the conflict wasn't caused by Jews, the deviations from Germany's war plans weren't caused by Jews, and entry into the war by the US wasn't caused by Jews. but given how harsh the resolution of the war was, the Nazis DID pump up claims that Germany could only have lost by being "stabbed in the back" and blaming Jews.

For the sake of debate I will enetertain this, considering I Never Stated the Jews are why Germany Lost the war. I will argue the Jews had influnce in bringing the U.S. into the war.

Lobbying by a Russian Jewish immigrant, Chaim Weizmann and fear that American Jews would encourage the USA to support Germany culminated in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 by the British government (the Zionist congress had decided already by 1903 to decline an offer by the British to establish a homeland in Uganda).

LOL the Brits tried to send the Jews to Africa...

At a war Cabinet meeting, held on 31 October 1917, Balfour suggested that a declaration favorable to Zionist aspirations would allow Great Britain "to carry on extremely useful propaganda both in Russia and America"[6] The British also dropped Balfour Declaration leaflets written in Yiddish over Germany

Propaganada had rediculous power in these times

no. Germany was dominating at the start of the war until about 1915, but after that i think it's fair to say no one was "dominating." maybe this depends on what we call dominating?

I could have said it was a stalemate, but from what I read about continuous Brit/French offensives that failed and their mass losses while doing so I'm going to have to say that Germany was winning. Maybe not dominating, but advantage Germans. They were bringing new things to the table like gas warfare and stormtrooper tactics while the Brits and French just kept being killed rapidly in large numbers...

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

typical white folks

 

[janklow]

For the sake of debate I will enetertain this, considering I Never Stated the Jews are why Germany Lost the war.

there is a reason why i am referring to the fact that the Nazis accused Jews and leftists of stabbing them in the back ... because they then said "this is why we lost the war" and took it out on those groups.

I could have said it was a stalemate, but from what I read about continuous Brit/French offensives that failed and their mass losses while doing so I'm going to have to say that Germany was winning. Maybe not dominating, but advantage Germans. They were bringing new things to the table like gas warfare and stormtrooper tactics while the Brits and French just kept being killed rapidly in large numbers...

meanwhile, German offensives were doing nothing and their troops were halted; the whole concept of Germany dominating and winning was based on doing so quickly ... and then they settled down while the French/British tried to reclaim territory. losses were ridiculous on both sides, really.

the new thing they REALLY brought to the table was their plentiful use of machine guns; chemical warfare was being played with by all sides, really.

 

[perspective@100]

there is a reason why i am referring to the fact that the Nazis accused Jews and leftists of stabbing them in the back ... because they then said "this is why we lost the war" and took it out on those groups.

meanwhile, German offensives were doing nothing and their troops were halted; the whole concept of Germany dominating and winning was based on doing so quickly ... and then they settled down while the French/British tried to reclaim territory. losses were ridiculous on both sides, really.

the new thing they REALLY brought to the table was their plentiful use of machine guns; chemical warfare was being played with by all sides, really.

so you see I'm not a Nazi? I just said the Jews stabbed them in the back, lol... Hitler was feeding off of hatred and propaganda to get people to follow him...

Also the Brits and french were setting records for deaths in a short time. Your right abought the Germans mainly playing defense but at least they were smart enough to do so. Even if it was not there initial plan.

The German army had fought its way into a good defensive position inside France and had permanently incapacitated 230,000 more French and British troops than it had lost itself. Despite this, communications problems and questionable command decisions cost Germany the chance of obtaining an early victory.

The U-boats had sunk almost 5,000 Allied ships, at a cost of 178 submarines.[

On 1 July 1916, the British Army endured the bloodiest day in its history, suffering 57,470 casualties including 19,240 dead on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.

crazy

 

[janklow]

so you see I'm not a Nazi? I just said the Jews stabbed them in the back, lol...

and i'm saying that's a standard post-war Nazi line that's meant to skip over the issues involved with fighting the war in favor of making various groups a scapegoat for the defeat.

Your right abought the Germans mainly playing defense but at least they were smart enough to do so. Even if it was not there initial plan.

it's actually not so much about them playing defense as it is their embrace of the machine gun as a tool of warfare.

 

[perspective@100]

and i'm saying that's a standard post-war Nazi line that's meant to skip over the issues involved with fighting the war in favor of making various groups a scapegoat for the defeat.

Considering the war was started because a friend of the German Kaiser was assasinated and he was simply trying to avenge his friend, what justification is there for the enemies of the Germans? The Jews were fighting heavily with the Germans in the German army. I understand the comment may seem like a Nazi way of thinking, but even in radical thinking their stands hidden truth. I don't believe that the Jews are not capable of terrible acts because they are Jews. Religion itself has been responsible for numerous atroscities in history.

 

[janklow]

Considering the war was started because a friend of the German Kaiser was assasinated and he was simply trying to avenge his friend, what justification is there for the enemies of the Germans?

who are you calling "enemies of the Germans" in this statement?

The Jews were fighting heavily with the Germans in the German army.

all the more reason to find it questionable that they stabbed Germany in the back.

I don't believe that the Jews are not capable of terrible acts because they are Jews. Religion itself has been responsible for numerous atroscities in history.

this is not about whether or not Jews can do something wrong, but whether or not it's accurate to saying Germany lost WWI because they were stabbed in the back by Jews.

 

[perspective@100]

who are you calling "enemies of the Germans" in this statement?

In this case lets say the US. Why were we supporting france and Britain with guns and ammo and other supplies before we officailly joined the war?

The so called sinking of American ships with unrestricted usage of submarines is a bogus reason.

Why were the Zionist promised land and then given the rights to it after it was already promised to someone else?

Do you see a conflict of interest if the Zionist leaders are making deals with the other side while fighting as allies with the Germans?

all the more reason to find it questionable that they stabbed Germany in the back.

After the declaration was made the Jews were steadily getting news that they would get thier homeland if Germany lost.

This news was spread through various conduits in germany, Russia, Great Britain, America, and France.

this is not about whether or not Jews can do something wrong, but whether or not it's accurate to saying Germany lost WWI because they were stabbed in the back by Jews.

I will refuse to say Germany Lost the war because of the JEWS, but I will say jews had major influence behind the seens of how the war played out.

 

[janklow]

In this case lets say the US. Why were we supporting france and Britain with guns and ammo and other supplies before we officailly joined the war?

because we wanted to side with the British and the French. and there's no reason to attribute that solely to "Jews stabbing Germany in the back." do i see a conflict of "if the Zionist leaders are making deals with the other side while fighting as allies with the Germans?" what are these "Zionist leaders" the leaders of? are you claiming that every Jew in the German armed forces are at the beck and call of Jewish leaders that direct them?

After the declaration was made the Jews were steadily getting news that they would get thier homeland if Germany lost.

uh-huh

I will refuse to say Germany Lost the war because of the JEWS, but I will say jews had major influence behind the seens of how the war played out.

basically, you're continuing to not blame Germany for their own decisions and mistakes and lay all the blame at the feet of Jews. the US would never have supported Britain if not for JEWS. Germany only made their tactical errors because of JEWS. this is ridiculous.

 

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Chris Matthews: I almost forgot Hitler was German...

 

[playmaker88]

^This thread went totally off topic

 

[perspective@100]

because we wanted to side with the British and the French. and there's no reason to attribute that solely to "Jews stabbing Germany in the back." do i see a conflict of "if the Zionist leaders are making deals with the other side while fighting as allies with the Germans?" what are these "Zionist leaders" the leaders of? are you claiming that every Jew in the German armed forces are at the beck and call of Jewish leaders that direct them?

Yeah, why side with the British and French? Old woodrow was campagning on the U.S. not being in the war...

I've presented reasons why, and you have NOT presented any why nots, as to why Jews would make or not make shady deals as I stated originally. Not only reasons, but proof I have provided.

Heres More>>> Chaim Azriel Weizmann, Hebrew: חיים עזריאל ויצמן‎, (27 November 1874 – 9 November 1952) was a Zionist leader, President of the World Zionist Organization, and the first President of the State of Israel.

Directly involved in the declaration and had a massive Jewish following which was lead from the headquarters in Germany. Became the damn President, lol if you dont see the link you just blind....

 

[janklow]

Yeah, why side with the British and French? Old woodrow was campagning on the U.S. not being in the war...

I've presented reasons why, and you have NOT presented any why nots, as to why Jews would make or not make shady deals as I stated originally. Not only reasons, but proof I have provided.

Wilson was playing up his isolationism to get votes, and as the guy who was all emotional about the League of Nations, it's difficult as really not being interested in getting into the war. he was also a raging racist, which strongly makes me doubt he gave that much of a damn about shady Jewish plots.

also, i am not arguing "why the Jews would not make shady deals" because i don't agree with the argument that Jews are the reason the Germans lost the war. it's a ridiculous Nazi assertion.

Stop putting words in my mouth I have never stated or supported any of the Bolded.

flat-out lie, because you've been arguing, including in this post, that Jews are the reason we sided with Britain/France. and yes, i am going to treat your position as a Nazi position since, you know, your argument is the exact same one that Hitler made after the war: Germany only lost because they were betrayed by Jews.

if you weren't claiming that Germany only made their tactical errors because of Jews, you'd be acknowledging that Jews weren't the reason they lost the war. the failure of the German invasion(s) basically meant that Germany was never going to win the war, and it had nothing to do with shady Jewish plots.

 

[perspective@100]

Wilson was playing up his isolationism to get votes, and as the guy who was all emotional about the League of Nations, it's difficult as really not being interested in getting into the war. he was also a raging racist, which strongly makes me doubt he gave that much of a damn about shady Jewish plots.

If he was such a "Raging Racist" why would he put the First JEW on the supreme court?

 

[janklow]

If he was such a "Raging Racist" why would he put the First JEW on the supreme court?

 

[perspective@100]

seriously, you're claiming the guy who voiced vocal support for Jim Crow laws, called Birth of a Nation terribly accurate, and actively worked to segregate both places he worked and the federal government was NOT a raging racist? huh.

You still have not answered the question about Woodrow appointing a Jew to the supreme court. You have brought up racism, but its racism toward blacks which is pretty much global in these times. Jim Crow did not do much against the Jews.

this is a cop-out. if you want to believe and repeat Nazi propaganda, please man up and do so directly.

again, you're claiming to have never addressed it WHILE talking about shady deals they cut to stab Germany in the back. to repeat, if you want to believe and repeat Nazi propaganda, please man up and do so directly.

it's strange to you that i don't believe the rantings of a crazed Nazi dictator? sorry, i'm not a Nazi, man.

None of the information I have provided is, or ever was "Nazi propaganda". It's all truth you can look up for yourself. I'm positive all of my facts are accurate and you have questioned no fact I have presented, so what is this basis of thought calling what I believe "NAZI PROPAGANDA"? I have never quoted Hitler. All my assertions have come from what I read in Amercan History books And personal research from valid sources(no NAZI's). My knowledge on these topics can provide citations if necessary.

I'm starting to see a pattern with your arguement though. You believe the Jews and their leaders were justified in trying to acquire their homeland dont you? Its ok if you do. I'm not Anti-Jew I can just see corrupt things clearly and how they acquired this land was corrupt.

not that Germany was actively involved in that...

 

[janklow]

You still have not answered the question about Woodrow appointing a Jew to the supreme court. You have brought up racism, but its racism toward blacks which is pretty much global in these times. Jim Crow did not do much against the Jews.

Woodrow Wilson's support for Birth of a Nation is essentially support for the second generation of the KKK. do yourself a little internet search on said KKK's position on Jews. this is a guy that further defended the KKK in writing. i'll attribute the Brandeis nomination to Brandeis being a supporter of Wilson, but if your claim is that Wilson wasn't a racist and/or that he loved Jews ... this seems questionable.

None of the information I have provided is, or ever was "Nazi propaganda".

except for your repeated assertion that Jews stabbed Germany in the back and cost them WWI, which was a major Nazi speaking point.

I'm starting to see a pattern with your arguement though. You believe the Jews and their leaders were justified in trying to acquire their homeland dont you? Its ok if you do. I'm not Anti-Jew I can just see corrupt things clearly and how they acquired this land was corrupt.

actually, you've completely missed the point of my argument, which is that Germany entered the war and then lost it to a combination of bad tactics and facing ultimately overwhelming odds, and that the issue of "Jews stabbing Germany in the back" is a fake argument parroted after the war to excuse Germans losing said war.

but please, make this argument about my position on a Jewish homeland, because that certainly won't support my theory that you've bought the Nazi line completely.

The triumph of the Bolsheviks in November was followed in December by an armistice and negotiations with Germany-

you can pause your litany there and tell me what, if anything, Germany had to do with the creation of the Bolsheviks in question.

More proof... SMH

some things you might have missed in that paragraph include "encouraged the soldiers to return to defend their trenches," but more importantly, "Robert Nivelle was ... replaced by General Philippe Pétain." do we recall why Pétain was so beloved by Frenchmen? the French being disgusted with Nivelle and/or that style of leadership during the war was fairly common, but it's not historical precedent that France was "going the way of Russia." i would also point out that the US had already declared war on Germany at the time of this offensive, something that further prevented this "precedented" deterioration.

Maybe I should have just said the Jews were fighting like sissies in the German army? Thats a joke by the way don't start calling me a damn NAZI again...

don't keep telling me Jews cost Germany the war