Chicago at it Again (Murder Rate Spikes)

[zzombie]

What is comes down to is poor character and a social and political ideology that supports it... for 40 years since the civil rights movement black people in america have foolishly subjugated ourselves to these ideologies and in Chicago we see the full fruit of it.

 

[Kwan Dai]

How y'all gonna tackle a problem if u r not willing to see and acknowledge the complex and interwoven factors?

Moralizing and talking about personal responsibility ain't gonna ameliorate shit

Giving the youth legitimate pathways to getting out of the cycle is what is necessary

The conditions in places like Chicago breeds violence, put any group in these same positions and you would get similar results

Therefore changing the conditions in which they live is a viable solution to the violence

But ppl don't want the violence to stop

Both black and white ppl like having ppl they can point their fingers at

'Look at those ignorant niggas'

Excellent point.

First and foremost we should question where these statistics are coming from.

Is, there violence? Sure. but is it at the rate in which we are being told it is?

Second we have to ask is, are there enough programs and opportunities to for the youth to express themselves fully and freeely. What I find interesting is, Blacks in America have always been dealt with through the medium of Violence, disrespect and degradation. So, why is anyone scratching their heads? Have we been conditioned to interact with each other in this manner?

It was mentioned in Ava Duvernay's "13th" by a couple of the Black Scholars in the documentary that the most detrimental\heinous part of America's criminalization of Blacks is, Blacks now believe Blacks are inherently criminal.

 

[Crude_]

Poverty along with a failing education system in certain neighborhoods, gerrymandering, to many broken homes, and high conviction rates for petty crime in the Black community.

I outlined my thoughts as to the problems plaguing our communities and what I thought would be solutions. I put it in the spoiler as I know folks here don't like to read more than 3-4 sentences of words.

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Spoiler

You cannot put a bunch of people together with little to no education or job training in small concentrated areas sometimes as small as a few blocks or square miles and expect them to coexist in many cases in dilapidated and deteriorating conditions and not expect the criminal element to surface.

Our schools need to prepare these kids and young adults for jobs that they can go to and make decent living. I understand 4 year college is not for everyone and in those cases emphasis needs to be placed on job corps programs and training in technical skills directly out of high school.

In more cases than not people who can make decent enough money to buy or rent a residence and pay all their bills with a reasonable amount of money to live off generally do not turn to the streets.

Next is the gerrymandering. I have always thought it to be interesting how these predominately Black places have White mayors, police chiefs, politicians etc.

Most of those people do not have Black interest at heart. That's why you see growing infrastructure in certain parts of cities and towns and stagnancy in other locations.

We have to start holding these elected officials accountable, we have to start owning and running real estate and business within our own communities. There is power in that.

Keep the community Black owned and keep the bulk of the money in the community instead of going and patronizing White owned establishments were the owner will gladly take your dollar and call you an n___ behind your back.

Own your own ish whenever you can and try not to rent or lease unless you have to. Most of the time when you are renting or leasing you're doing so from a White guy who does not care about you or our community he just saw an opportunity to make money. They do not care anything for Black plight but love the Black currency.

Next we have to many broken homes. We have to start holding each other accountable for taking care of our families.

There are to many men and women having children before they are financially, emotionally, or mentally ready to have them. The result is we put a lot of adults in society that are not equipped from a mental standpoint to be adults, because they did not get what they should have when they were children.

This is sort of a taboo issue in the Black community but we need to make a concerted effort to identify those at risk youth and make sure they get a high school degree or equivalent and get them on a path to either a 4 year college or job placement program. I'm not talking working some fast food joint either but rather a real technical trade or skill that they can make a decent living with.

To many men and women grow up in unfortunate circumstances with parents not giving them what they need and they repeat the process by having children before they are ready and not giving them what they need thus making it a generational cycle.

Last but not least the high conviction rates for petty crime. To many of our young men and women get incarcerated on petty charges.

These people then aquire a criminal record and it handicaps them as to future moves they can make as it relates to getting employment, voting, etc.

It's crazy that our judicial system hands down sentences of a decade or more behind marijuana charges. The same goes for powdered versus rock forms of cocaine. Obama has kinda worked to get that changed.

I personally know of no Black people who own planes or cargo ships to import that ish. However the corner boy that's likely making pennies and nickels on the dollar off that stuff is somehow stuck doing the same amount of prison time as rapist, murders, child abusers, and arm robbers.

It's a broken system. We need more Black lawyers, judges, real estate developers, and politicians. Personally, I don't like the muddiness of politics, but I know how business and backroom deals are made as well. Politics are an inconvenient truth and we need more Black faces in them with our interest at heart.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Politics, Money and the education system as we know it will fix nothing.

The solution is to be taught the truth. Trying to integrate oneself into the evil and inhumane practices of European culture will forever be a problem for Blacks in America.

We need a return to our own moral, spiritual, and communal selves. We have niggas today that get a couple of dollars over lunch money and a degree and think they now have to seal the deal by rubbing elbows with whites every chance they get. Talking about they can't live around Blacks because, they have x,y,and z.

There was a time when we didn't have choice but live amongst our own no matter what your financial status was. And those people were safe. What we have now is, niggas want to have and throw it in other faces as opposed to remaining humble, and sharing their resources for the better of community.

But whatever. This conversation will never end. We can keep saying what we think the issues are while totally dismissing, what it means to have good character, morals, standards and spirit. All of which, DOESN'T net us any MONEY so, most say fuck it. Round and Round we go.

 

[jono]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.

Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

 

[desertrain10]

But ppl don't want the violence to stop

Both black and white ppl like having ppl they can point their fingers at

'Look at those ignorant niggas'

this

it's sad

 

[StillFaggyAF]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.

Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

I agree and disagree

 

[MarcusGarvey]

I feel sorry for the parents/guardians working to provide their families with a decent life in these neighbourhoods. Trapped by violence - people looking at you like you the loser because you on the bus at 6am and coming in late.

Cheap rent ain't worth dying.

These niggas shooting each other just make it harder for everyone else. They waste yutes

 

[R0mp]

Anyone have the data on which community areas and neighborhoods the murders are most concentrated in?

In Chicago?

Yeah, the community areas and neighborhoods in Chicago.

Englewood, austin, roseland, garfeido park, South and west side

Thanks.

 

[Crude_]

@jono

Spoiler

The more of our people that are succeeding the better it will eventually be for all of us as Black folks.

Those Black folks can hire, mentor, and teach other Blacks so we eventually multiply in numbers as far as influence, having good to decent jobs, and positions of power.

In my opinion, you're focusing on the effects of the problem and not the actual root of it.

The ignorant niggaz as you call them are just guys trying to survive like you and I are bruh.

I took the working man's route, but I know every man and woman did not grow up with the opportunities I had, with parents that made a decent living and could encourage me to go to school and learn a craft as well as how to deal with these White people under frustrating circumstances at times.

If you come from a broken home where your mother and father or guardian couldn't spend as much time as you needed or teach you about the rigors of life combined with little to no job skills and limited education then yea that's going to manifest itself in adulthood.

There are some people that can overcome those circumstances; however, most do not and you get the perception that they don't care when in reality they had nowhere to turn.

You got to target these people when they are young children I'm talking toddler or preschool age; it's much easier to mold children into adults than fix broken adults.

I agree that criminal behavior is a choice; however, you put someone in bad enough circumstances then what do you expect.

I hate to compare human beings to primitive creatures like animals, but some rules in psychology still apply. You can keep a dog chained up in the backyard forever not walk him and not let him socialize outside that backyard, and give him just enough food and water to survive eventually that dog is going to become aggressive. The same psychology applies to humans even though we are more complex creatures.

You cannot throw large numbers of impoverished people in small concentrated with little to no job training to make a decent living, little to no education system, and deplorable living circumstances and not let them out. Just like the dog eventually those people will elicit a certain behavior.

You should go down to your local court house or wherever the tax assessor resides and evaluate who owns property in many of those shitty neighborhoods as you call them. It's likely some White man or group of White men in a corporation, company, or LLC making profit off Black folks misery.

Eventually if they come up with some other plan for the property they gentrify the area and move the impoverished folks to another part of town and start the process all over again.

The Blacks that can do better eventually move to the working class communities or upscale White neighborhoods which is fine; Whites don't care about a handful of token Blacks but once it gets to be more than that they on the move again.

Don't sell Black people or Black neighborhoods short Black people have a lot of buying power and potential and those White businessmen, Middle Easteners, and Koreans see that and gladly come set up in those impoverished Black neighborhoods and make a fortune.

 

[R0mp]

Age group: Teenagers and young adults

Affiliation: Local gang members

Location: A few low resource neighborhoods

Method: Firearms related, mostly handguns

How accurate is this?

 

[Kwan Dai]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.



Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

What do you think gentrification is?

When whites want to make their bread and create communities of their own nothing gets in their way. That's why they can come to the "ghetto" buy it for cheap and then price Blacks out.

Your scary assed defeatist ideas are part and parcel of the Black condition.

You outright imply that other ethnic groups aren't choosing to sell dope and purchase guns. FOH.

Black neighborhoods consists of all types of folks and until we embrace the complexities of our own people we will continue our here lost scared and criminalizing our own people.

 

[jono]

@jono

Spoiler

The more of our people that are succeeding the better it will eventually be for all of us as Black folks.

Those Black folks can hire, mentor, and teach other Blacks so we eventually multiply in numbers as far as influence, having good to decent jobs, and positions of power.

In my opinion, you're focusing on the effects of the problem and not the actual root of it.

The ignorant niggaz as you call them are just guys trying to survive like you and I are bruh.

I took the working man's route, but I know every man and woman did not grow up with the opportunities I had, with parents that made a decent living and could encourage me to go to school and learn a craft as well as how to deal with these White people under frustrating circumstances at times.

If you come from a broken home where your mother and father or guardian couldn't spend as much time as you needed or teach you about the rigors of life combined with little to no job skills and limited education then yea that's going to manifest itself in adulthood.

There are some people that can overcome those circumstances; however, most do not and you get the perception that they don't care when in reality they had nowhere to turn.

You got to target these people when they are young children I'm talking toddler or preschool age; it's much easier to mold children into adults than fix broken adults.

I agree that criminal behavior is a choice; however, you put someone in bad enough circumstances then what do you expect.

I hate to compare human beings to primitive creatures like animals, but some rules in psychology still apply. You can keep a dog chained up in the backyard forever not walk him and not let him socialize outside that backyard, and give him just enough food and water to survive eventually that dog is going to become aggressive. The same psychology applies to humans even though we are more complex creatures.

You cannot throw large numbers of impoverished people in small concentrated with little to no job training to make a decent living, little to no education system, and deplorable living circumstances and not let them out. Just like the dog eventually those people will elicit a certain behavior.

You should go down to your local court house or wherever the tax assessor resides and evaluate who owns property in many of those shitty neighborhoods as you call them. It's likely some White man or group of White men in a corporation, company, or LLC making profit off Black folks misery.

Eventually if they come up with some other plan for the property they gentrify the area and move the impoverished folks to another part of town and start the process all over again.

The Blacks that can do better eventually move to the working class communities or upscale White neighborhoods which is fine; Whites don't care about a handful of token Blacks but once it gets to be more than that they on the move again.

Don't sell Black people or Black neighborhoods short Black people have a lot of buying power and potential and those White businessmen, Middle Easteners, and Koreans see that and gladly come set up in those impoverished Black neighborhoods and make a fortune.

I don't disagree with the root problem my point is the root problem notwithstanding poverty doesn't put guns and drugs in hands. Wanting to sell dope and bust guns is 100% a choice the person is making.

Furthermore:

Just because we don't have the same opportunities doesn't mean you don't have opportunity.

Some people get scholarships from academics, some from athletics, some don't have scholarships at all. 3 different paths to reaching the same goal.

College isn't for everyone. That I understand.

But if you really don't want to sell dope. There are literally hundreds of things you can do. The problem then becomes these jobs don't pay enough (they don't), or the job is demeaning (it might be) but if you don't want to be a victim you'll do it until you don't have to anymore.

This is why people treat jobs at WalMart and McDonald's like they're coveted even though the job is shit, they know its better than running the streets or being on welfare (even though most are on welfare anyway). But people who choose to run the streets they eventually end up dead or in jail, that's the cost of doing that kind of business.

Their cost shouldn't be externalized to others though. Just because their life is trash and they have no skills doesn't mean they should fuck it up for everyone but most of the time they do!

 

[obnoxiouslyfresh]

When was this written? Chicago was at 590 as of like yesterday

 

[zzombie]

If you want to stop gentrification liberalize building rules and increase housing supply

 

[jono]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.



Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

What do you think gentrification is?

When whites want to make their bread and create communities of their own nothing gets in their way. That's why they can come to the "ghetto" buy it for cheap and then price Blacks out.

Your scary assed defeatist ideas are part and parcel of the Black condition.

You outright imply that other ethnic groups aren't choosing to sell dope and purchase guns. FOH.

Black neighborhoods consists of all types of folks and until we embrace the complexities of our own people we will continue our here lost scared and criminalizing our own people.

I ain't say none of that. Lol strawman ass nigga

 

[Kwan Dai]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.



Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

What do you think gentrification is?

When whites want to make their bread and create communities of their own nothing gets in their way. That's why they can come to the "ghetto" buy it for cheap and then price Blacks out.

Your scary assed defeatist ideas are part and parcel of the Black condition.

You outright imply that other ethnic groups aren't choosing to sell dope and purchase guns. FOH.

Black neighborhoods consists of all types of folks and until we embrace the complexities of our own people we will continue our here lost scared and criminalizing our own people.

I ain't say none of that. Lol strawman ass nigga

All one has to do is read between the lines.

Your posts are nothing but stereotypes and shallow assessments of complex people and situations. FOH.

 

[Kwan Dai]

You stop gentrification by not fleeing Black neighborhoods for what is perceived to be better neighborhoods i.e. white.

 

[jono]

This is a classic "You can lead a horse to water" argument. Them niggas ain't going to be "mentored," they ain't going to school or to take up a trade.

There's people fighting to NOT be in that environment. People struggling but refusing to fall into that bullshit lifestyle. We should be thinking about those people.

The folks that would rather cut grass or shovel snow than sell dope. People who frequent libraries just to use the computer because they can't afford one at home. The kids who stay in the house because being outside means running into gangbangers.

Those people are unfortunately trapped in with the ignorant niggas that won't let you have nice shit.

Selling dope is a choice, buying or somehow getting a gun is a choice, shooting somebody is a motherfucking choice.

Who the fuck is going to invest in a shitty neighborhood? Nobody.



Nobody wants to a buy a house there

Nobody wants to open a business there

Its a waste of resources.

Chicago Public transportation is far more accessible than most cities, certainly more than Detroit which doesn't even have an adequate bus system. So people who want to get out and move around have a chance.

What do you think gentrification is?

When whites want to make their bread and create communities of their own nothing gets in their way. That's why they can come to the "ghetto" buy it for cheap and then price Blacks out.

Your scary assed defeatist ideas are part and parcel of the Black condition.

You outright imply that other ethnic groups aren't choosing to sell dope and purchase guns. FOH.

Black neighborhoods consists of all types of folks and until we embrace the complexities of our own people we will continue our here lost scared and criminalizing our own people.

I ain't say none of that. Lol strawman ass nigga

All one has to do is read between the lines.

Your posts are nothing but stereotypes and shallow assessments of complex people and situations. FOH.

Fuck outta here.

There's 2 different kinds of folks that live in the hood. I'm making a distinction, you making generalizations.

 

[desertrain10]

If you want to stop gentrification liberalize building rules and increase housing supply

that would be the job of the government correct?