Buy or sell, Lupe is better then anyone in the WU Tang

[Mvpbrodie93]

If we judging a rapper overall based on skills, and music so yeah catalog counts for something.

It counts, yes but catoluge=better doesn't work

it's part of the argument

 

[garv]

Dam lol...

I don't buy the topic I posted but I just begged to ask the question.

But what I'm learning from this thread and the ic is...

That I could be better then u in EVERY aspect or a majority of aspects of being an emcee but if you have the better catoluge=better

like I'll get you in 18/19 categories, but you have a Bette catolgue so>>>>>

Dre>>>>>>>Lupe

I mean chronic>>>>>>

I know man these niggas are tripping Canibus the GOAT.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Obfcl>>>>>>>jay z's doscography= raekwon>>>jay z

liquid swordz>>>>>>>>>jay z discography=gza>>>>jay z

 

[5th Letter]

It counts, yes but catoluge=better doesn't work

it's part of the argument

If we judging two rappers as a whole then yeah albums count, if we're talking skill for skill then no catalog wont mean much.

 

[5th Letter]

Obfcl>>>>>>>jay z's doscography= raekwon>>>jay z

liquid swordz>>>>>>>>>jay z discography=gza>>>>jay z

I understand what you're trying to do but ironically enough both are debatable.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

I understand what you're trying to do but ironically enough both are debatable.

Please stop lol

Jay z>>>>>wu tang...

 

[5th Letter]

Catalog includes mixtapes.

Lupe's mixtape shit >>> album shit.

Mixtapes dont count, we're talking albums.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

If we judging two rappers as a whole then yeah albums count, if we're talking skill for skill then no catalog wont mean much.

Yes it counts but it's ONE aspect of the "whole"

I'll bring back the catergories chart

Catologue-

Originality-

Concepts-

Versatility-

Vocabulary-

Substance-

Flow-

Freestyle-

Vocal Presence-

Live Performance-

Poetic Value-

Industry Impact-

Social Impact-

Longevity-

Lyrics-

Battle Skills-

Songwriting -

if I have you beat, out of all these accept catologue, am I better?

 

[garv]

Obfcl>>>>>>>jay z's doscography= raekwon>>>jay z

liquid swordz>>>>>>>>>jay z discography=gza>>>>jay z

This makes no sense because, Black Album, RD, American Gangster, Blueprint, vol 1 put Jay ahead of both Raekwon and GZA in terms of catalogue

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Mixtapes dont count, we're talking albums.

I'll agree with this

 

[5th Letter]

Please stop lol

Jay z>>>>>wu tang...

Jay Z is not better than the whole freaking group.

What makes Jay Z one of the greats is that he has had a great career, he is a great rapper, dropped a few great albums, sold records and is an icon in the game. Based on those things Jay is >>Rae and Gza, but as far as rappers the shit IS debatable. Taking all those albums and everything out the picture.

 

[garv]

Yes it counts but it's ONE aspect of the "whole"

I'll bring back the catergories chart

Catologue-
Originality-
Concepts-
Versatility-
Vocabulary-
Substance-
Flow-
Freestyle-
Vocal Presence-
Live Performance-
Poetic Value-

Industry Impact-
Social Impact-
Longevity-
Lyrics-
Battle Skills-
Songwriting -

if I have you beat, out of all these accept catologue, am I better?

Yeah cause catatlogue showcases

Songwriting, lyrics, concepts, originality, vocabulary, versatility, longevity, flow, and in some rappers cases Battle Skills.

you need to structure your arguments better, industry impact and social impact don't mean shit either.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

This makes no sense because, Black Album, RD, American Gangster, Blueprint, vol 1 put Jay ahead of both Raekwon and GZA in terms of catalogue

1. I was being sarcastic

2. I was reffering to the both the catolugue=better, and the best vs best= better

in this case i was using best versus best. And their best album is better them jay z best album. And to ALOT of the reason that EQUALS better no matter what. And I have a problem with that......

 

[jonathand]

Jay Z is not better than the whole freaking group.

What makes Jay Z one of the greats is that he has had a great career, he is a great rapper, dropped a few great albums, sold records and is an icon in the game. Based on those things Jay is >>Rae and Gza, but as far as rappers the shit IS debatable. Taking all those albums and everything out the picture.

See, I knew you understood that what's considered a great rapper is subjective aka debatable. Sometimes I think you get pigheaded, but you clearly have the understanding...

 

[5th Letter]

Why mixtapes don't count? It's music.

that's like counting practice drills in sports as apart of a players stats.

 

[isayas]

Yeah cause catatlogue showcases

Songwriting, lyrics, concepts, originality, vocabulary, versatility, longevity, flow, and in some rappers cases Battle Skills.

you need to structure your arguments better, industry impact and social impact don't mean shit either.

Lupe has all of that except battle skills.

 

[garv]

1. I was being sarcastic

2. I was reffering to the both the catolugue=better, and the best vs best= better

in this case i was using best versus best. And their best album is better them jay z best album. And to ALOT of the reason that EQUALS better no matter what. And I have a problem with that......

I may feel that Souls Of Mischeif album 93 till infinity is better than every Outkast album yet that doesn't mean Souls Of Mischief have a better catalogue than Outkast, i'm talking about catalogue as an whole not the odd album.

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Jay Z is not better than the whole freaking group.

What makes Jay Z one of the greats is that he has had a great career, he is a great rapper, dropped a few great albums, sold records and is an icon in the game. Based on those things Jay is >>Rae and Gza, but as far as rappers the shit IS debatable. Taking all those albums and everything out the picture.

on a greatest rappers of all time list, Jay Z is higher them all of them

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

I may feel that Souls Of Mischeif album 93 till infinity is better than every Outkast album yet that doesn't mean Souls Of Mischief have a better catalogue than Outkast, i'm talking about catalogue as an whole not the odd album.

So final answer here, Better catolgue=better?

 

[garv]

Lupe has all of that except battle skills.

He has two good albums.