Black Twitter Is Upset Over Controversial Shea Moisture Ad

[The Lonious Monk]

@"the lonious monk"

Well you go buy the shit then and put it in your hair since you wanna help their business so much.

There it is. I was waiting on it. lol

I'm bald though, so I'll send it to you after I bought. That way your hair can still be right without you actually supporting them.

 

[ghostdog56]

Is this company on the stock market? If so you black women should buy shares of it if you want some control over what they do, if not then shut the fuck up and did any of you boycott them Asian beauty supply stores after them videos came out of them beating your asses

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

and expound on this notion that blk women seem to have to always be the focus? are you speaking in a general sense? before you answer, consider first that blk women, being double minorities, have historically been ignored and disenfranchised by just about every institution of society

I could just point to this incident as reason enough. They release 1 commercial that didn't focus on black women, and some of ya'll are talking about writing them off.

Let me give a more meaningful example though. When BLM was in full swing, a common criticism from a lot of black women was that the movement wasn't focused enough on black women who were being killed too. Now to some extent, that's a valid complaint. The problem is when white people started asking why BLM wasn't concerned with whites being killed, those black women could easily point out that it was a greater problem for blacks than whites, so blacks needed to be the focus of the movement. Fair point. Explain to me why, those black women couldn't understand that same reasoning when it came to why the movement was centralized around incidents involving black males.

That's 2015 data. More whites are actually killed by cops, but there are more of them. When you account for population size blacks are a little over twice as likely to be killed by a cop. So that supports the racial argument. However, look at the breakdown between genders. If you assume for the sake of simplicity that there are roughly as many black men in the country as black women, then black men are 33 times likely to be killed as a black women. Given the arguments I referenced before, it should be a no brainer that the movement was driven by the need to get justice for black men, but that didn't sit well with a lot of black women because they felt black women needed to be the focus ignoring the fact that if rules were passed to protect black men, they'd protect black women too. You can make the same argument for the Civil Rights movement. Til this day there are still black feminists that bash the civil rights movement for being to male oriented. However, when you look at all the rights that were afforded by the Civil Rights movement, black women are benefitting from them now far more than black men. So even when black women come out on top, they still have a problem with not being the focus.

What? Lol apples and oranges

Blk women are more likely to be killed and brutalized and harrassed by the police than their white female counterparts

While blk men are more likely to be arrested or killed by the police than blk women, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't.

We are more likely to face sexual violence by law enforcement for instance. Now consider sexual misconduct is one of the most frequently logged complaints against police. My point being we are victims of the same racist systems but our plights are not the same

Preventing another Ferguson would take a different approach than making sure the incidents with Daniel Holtzclaw or a South Florida woman who recently had to videotape her parole officer sexually assaulting her so that she could finally prove to police that she was, in fact, raped and so that the officer couldn't revoke her parole never happen again
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fd1d...ds-officers-lose-licenses-over-sex-misconduct
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...e-by-parole-officer-so-cops-wi-1790859283/amp

And while blk women have been afforded certain opportunties with the success of the civil rights movement and the advent of affirmative action ...white women were the biggest winners...and there is still a such thing as male privilege...

Furthermore Mlk jr, with the civil rights movement, wanted to address poverty considering blk women and children were disproportionately poor and hit hardest by poverty...yet support has largely dwindled and very little in that regard has changed

So yes the inclusion of blk women’s experiences in social movements, media narratives, and policy demands around policing, police brutality, racism, civil rights is critical and worth fighting for

Otherwise the continued overemphasis on the problems of the blk community being problems of blk men will continue to perpetuate the structural and systemic economic discrimination and abuse of blk women which hurts us all. With so many blk men saddled with felonies or serving long prison sentences or unable to find work blk women are left to be the economic backbones of their communities. So if they struggle, we all do

 

[The Lonious Monk]

and expound on this notion that blk women seem to have to always be the focus? are you speaking in a general sense? before you answer, consider first that blk women, being double minorities, have historically been ignored and disenfranchised by just about every institution of society

I could just point to this incident as reason enough. They release 1 commercial that didn't focus on black women, and some of ya'll are talking about writing them off.

Let me give a more meaningful example though. When BLM was in full swing, a common criticism from a lot of black women was that the movement wasn't focused enough on black women who were being killed too. Now to some extent, that's a valid complaint. The problem is when white people started asking why BLM wasn't concerned with whites being killed, those black women could easily point out that it was a greater problem for blacks than whites, so blacks needed to be the focus of the movement. Fair point. Explain to me why, those black women couldn't understand that same reasoning when it came to why the movement was centralized around incidents involving black males.

That's 2015 data. More whites are actually killed by cops, but there are more of them. When you account for population size blacks are a little over twice as likely to be killed by a cop. So that supports the racial argument. However, look at the breakdown between genders. If you assume for the sake of simplicity that there are roughly as many black men in the country as black women, then black men are 33 times likely to be killed as a black women. Given the arguments I referenced before, it should be a no brainer that the movement was driven by the need to get justice for black men, but that didn't sit well with a lot of black women because they felt black women needed to be the focus ignoring the fact that if rules were passed to protect black men, they'd protect black women too. You can make the same argument for the Civil Rights movement. Til this day there are still black feminists that bash the civil rights movement for being to male oriented. However, when you look at all the rights that were afforded by the Civil Rights movement, black women are benefitting from them now far more than black men. So even when black women come out on top, they still have a problem with not being the focus.

What? Lol apples and oranges

Blk women are more likely to be killed and brutalized and harrassed by the police than their white female counterparts

While blk men are more likely to be arrested or killed by the police than blk women, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't.

We are more likely to face sexual violence by law enforcement for instance. Now consider sexual misconduct is one of the most frequently logged complaints against police. My point being we are victims of the same racist systems but our plights are not the same

Preventing another Ferguson would take a different approach than making sure the incidents with Daniel Holtzclaw or a South Florida woman who recently had to videotape her parole officer sexually assaulting her so that she could finally prove to police that she was, in fact, raped and so that the officer couldn't revoke her parole never happen again
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fd1d...ds-officers-lose-licenses-over-sex-misconduct
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...e-by-parole-officer-so-cops-wi-1790859283/amp

And while blk women have been afforded certain opportunties with the success of the civil rights movement and the advent of affirmative action ...white women were the biggest winners...and there is still a such thing as male privilege...

Furthermore Mlk jr, with the civil rights movement, wanted to address poverty considering blk women and children were disproportionately poor and hit hardest by poverty...yet support has largely dwindled and very little in that regard has changed

So yes the inclusion of blk women’s experiences in social movements, media narratives, and policy demands around policing, police brutality, racism, civil rights is critical and worth fighting for

Otherwise the continued overemphasis on the problems of the blk community being problems of blk men will continue to perpetuate the structural and systemic economic discrimination and abuse of blk women which hurts us all. With so many blk men saddled with felonies or serving long prison sentences or unable to find work blk women are left to be the economic backbones of their communities. So if they struggle, we all do

You completely missed the point. No one is arguing that black women have it bad in comparison to their white counterparts. Ya'll obviously do. No one is saying that black women shouldn't seek to have their problems addressed. You should. None of that has anything to do with the point I was making.

Let's keep it simple. Do you agree that the "All Lives Matter" slogan was an attempt to deflect away from BLM's and other groups' message? Do you agree that it's valid to say that despite whites being killed by police too, it makes more sense focus on blacks than whites since blacks are being hurt more by police violence? If you do agree with those two points, then how can you not see that black women attacking the movement for not giving equal spotlight to offenses against black women is the exact same thing as what the ALM crew was trying to do. They introduced division, not because it would be better for the movement, but because they wanted black women to be in the spotlight.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

and expound on this notion that blk women seem to have to always be the focus? are you speaking in a general sense? before you answer, consider first that blk women, being double minorities, have historically been ignored and disenfranchised by just about every institution of society

I could just point to this incident as reason enough. They release 1 commercial that didn't focus on black women, and some of ya'll are talking about writing them off.

Let me give a more meaningful example though. When BLM was in full swing, a common criticism from a lot of black women was that the movement wasn't focused enough on black women who were being killed too. Now to some extent, that's a valid complaint. The problem is when white people started asking why BLM wasn't concerned with whites being killed, those black women could easily point out that it was a greater problem for blacks than whites, so blacks needed to be the focus of the movement. Fair point. Explain to me why, those black women couldn't understand that same reasoning when it came to why the movement was centralized around incidents involving black males.

That's 2015 data. More whites are actually killed by cops, but there are more of them. When you account for population size blacks are a little over twice as likely to be killed by a cop. So that supports the racial argument. However, look at the breakdown between genders. If you assume for the sake of simplicity that there are roughly as many black men in the country as black women, then black men are 33 times likely to be killed as a black women. Given the arguments I referenced before, it should be a no brainer that the movement was driven by the need to get justice for black men, but that didn't sit well with a lot of black women because they felt black women needed to be the focus ignoring the fact that if rules were passed to protect black men, they'd protect black women too. You can make the same argument for the Civil Rights movement. Til this day there are still black feminists that bash the civil rights movement for being to male oriented. However, when you look at all the rights that were afforded by the Civil Rights movement, black women are benefitting from them now far more than black men. So even when black women come out on top, they still have a problem with not being the focus.

What? Lol apples and oranges

Blk women are more likely to be killed and brutalized and harrassed by the police than their white female counterparts

While blk men are more likely to be arrested or killed by the police than blk women, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't.

We are more likely to face sexual violence by law enforcement for instance. Now consider sexual misconduct is one of the most frequently logged complaints against police. My point being we are victims of the same racist systems but our plights are not the same

Preventing another Ferguson would take a different approach than making sure the incidents with Daniel Holtzclaw or a South Florida woman who recently had to videotape her parole officer sexually assaulting her so that she could finally prove to police that she was, in fact, raped and so that the officer couldn't revoke her parole never happen again
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fd1d...ds-officers-lose-licenses-over-sex-misconduct
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...e-by-parole-officer-so-cops-wi-1790859283/amp

And while blk women have been afforded certain opportunties with the success of the civil rights movement and the advent of affirmative action ...white women were the biggest winners...and there is still a such thing as male privilege...

Furthermore Mlk jr, with the civil rights movement, wanted to address poverty considering blk women and children were disproportionately poor and hit hardest by poverty...yet support has largely dwindled and very little in that regard has changed

So yes the inclusion of blk women’s experiences in social movements, media narratives, and policy demands around policing, police brutality, racism, civil rights is critical and worth fighting for

Otherwise the continued overemphasis on the problems of the blk community being problems of blk men will continue to perpetuate the structural and systemic economic discrimination and abuse of blk women which hurts us all. With so many blk men saddled with felonies or serving long prison sentences or unable to find work blk women are left to be the economic backbones of their communities. So if they struggle, we all do

You completely missed the point. No one is arguing that black women have it bad in comparison to their white counterparts. Ya'll obviously do. No one is saying that black women shouldn't seek to have their problems addressed. You should. None of that has anything to do with the point I was making.

Let's keep it simple. Do you agree that the "All Lives Matter" slogan was an attempt to deflect away from BLM's and other groups' message? Do you agree that it's valid to say that despite whites being killed by police too, it makes more sense focus on blacks than whites since blacks are being hurt more by police violence? If you do agree with those two points, then how can you not see that black women attacking the movement for not giving equal spotlight to offenses against black women is the exact same thing as what the ALM crew was trying to do. They introduced division, not because it would be better for the movement, but because they wanted black women to be in the spotlight.

No....just no

ALM is an attempt to disparage BLM and other movements who protest to highlight the fact that black lives matter less than white lives to the criminal justice system and america as a whole

However the creators of Say Her Name and others who share the sentiment the voices and stories of blk women are missing from the narrative are very aware of the disparities that exist and have acknowledged that blk men are being disproportionately killed by law enforcement...they only ask that the movement hightlight the ways in which blk lives other than blk men are impacted by police brutality

Again while we may not be killed at the same rate as blk men, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't....and in ways a lot of ppl are unaware of which is obviously problematic

So how is it a deflection or even divisive when the ultimate goal of both blk men and women is to curb, address these disparities and the lack of police accountability

What is divisive is asking blk women to wait or quiet down or form their own movement...especially when blk women are some of the most vocal when a Mike Brown is gunned down

And this whole idea that this is just some attempt to steal the spotlight is ridiculous to say the least

 

[D. Morgan]

@obnoxiouslyfresh give it a listen are you still mad and boycotting?

So he apologized, showed accountability, and explained that they would like to expand their markets. Okay, fine. But I could care less about the other talking out the side of his mouth about how they've given us a platform consistently for this long. By his own admission, black women supported that company for years. It wouldn't have thrived without us. How are BW "not loyal" when it was our consistent and damn near exclusive buying power that made SM a lasting brand. Just don't forget who put you there.

So they forgot about y'all by putting out one commercial that had people of another race in it? How exactly were they supposed to reach those other markets without attempting to appeal to them.

I'm sure the company will survive but I also expect it'll suffer in the interim while it rebuilds trust. Tough titty. From what I've seen of the marketing team, they're too far removed from black hair to really understand how what they put out was so tone deaf. I'm not sure how they're gonna pull it back, but I hope they do.

It's my understanding that they had like 30 commercials and 8 of them including the one that caused all the problems weren't centered around black women. Is that really being tone deaf, or is it just underestimating the need black women seem to have to always be the focus. I mean I get that nobody wants to be abandoned by something they've supported, but did the company really abandon ya'll by releasing one commercial that wasn't meant for ya'll. I could be missing something, and if so I'm sorry, but this just seems like a huge overreaction right up there with threatening to boycott K. Dot because he doesn't like photoshopped women.

What you mean "the need black women seem to hav to be the focus?" That's exactly what the product has been since its inception. There's no reason to market directly to other women. Why? Because white hair care does not, yet they still get tons of women of color to use their product. Can't have shit to ourselves. He did all that mumbling and stumbling in that interview just to in a round about way say that white investors are changing his purpose. The commercial was fuckin stupid and that's really what it boils down to. He better figure out how to not alienate the people who fattened his pockets for years or good luck to him!

You really don't see a problem with the bold?

 

[SolemnSauce]

6 pages deep of pure arguments..if pico was still here she woulda found a reason to post a pic of Shea Butter on her legs

IC fell off

 

[The Lonious Monk]

No....just no

ALM is an attempt to disparage BLM and other movements who protest to highlight the fact that black lives matter less than white lives to the criminal justice system and america as a whole

However the creators of Say Her Name and others who share the sentiment the voices and stories of blk women are missing from the narrative are very aware of the disparities that exist and have acknowledged that blk men are being disproportionately killed by law enforcement...they only ask that the movement hightlight the ways in which blk lives other than blk men are impacted by police brutality

Again while we may not be killed at the same rate as blk men, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't....and in ways a lot of ppl are unaware of which is obviously problematic

So how is it a deflection or even divisive when the ultimate goal of both blk men and women is to curb, address these disparities and the lack of police accountability

What is divisive is asking blk women to wait or quiet down or form their own movement...especially when blk women are some of the most vocal when a Mike Brown is gunned down

And this whole idea that this is just some attempt to steal the spotlight is ridiculous to say the least

I've never heard the bold at all. That doesn't mean they and others like them don't exist, but they sure as hell aren't the loudest when it comes to this matter.

Again, no one is saying black women shouldn't be acknowledged. But when groups black women come out and try to shame people in the community for not doing as much in response to incidents involving black women as they do in incidents involving black men, how is that not divisive? If the goal is what you say it is, and both sides will benefit from the ideas being pushed, what is gained by turning the discussion from police vs blacks to black men vs black women? And let's be clear, nothing BLM or any other group pushed was specific to black men and the criminal justice system is one of the areas where being a woman helps, so if BLM was successful in all of its goals, black women would have benefited more than black men even with black men being the focus.

Now, I can admit that maybe I only look at what feminists and women like them do from the negative side, but you most certainly only take the good examples and try to push that as the standard. So maybe there is a middle ground we always ignore. Still, it's not ridiculous to say there was an attempt to steal a spotlight. If there wasn't, this should would have been discussed internally, not in a manner that portrays weakness and lack of unity in the movement.

 

[5th Letter]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

Well the first side seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding of how business works. These people are trying to make money. Why should they care that white owned companies don't care about black business?

 

[D. Morgan]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Mister B.]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

Cosign this shit. That's why its called capitalism. I understand that black women are this company's base, but youse a fool if you think that's the only demographic they're supposed to service.

 

[AP21]

but who's to say white women are even gonna buy the shit in the first place tho? lol

 

[5th Letter]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

It depends, are you trying understand where the opposing side is coming from and eventually get to a middle ground of understanding or do you want to win a debate?

 

[D. Morgan]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

It depends, are you trying understand where the opposing side is coming from and eventually get to a middle ground of understanding or do you want to win a debate?

I ain't in a debate so that is also some more shit I don't get.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

It depends, are you trying understand where the opposing side is coming from and eventually get to a middle ground of understanding or do you want to win a debate?

Interesting point, but if one side is all the way wrong, you shouldn't be seeking to get to a middle ground.

 

[Shuffington]

OK.... I'm late to the party.

but I Just watched the vid and got damn! .... those women were super white in that ad ... except for the light skin one.

since when do you have to alienate your core consumer base to appeal to another set consumers.

I mean the kids at Dead Prez concerts back in the day use to be majority white.

 

[5th Letter]

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

I don't that side of the argument cause it makes absolutely no sense.

It depends, are you trying understand where the opposing side is coming from and eventually get to a middle ground of understanding or do you want to win a debate?

Interesting point, but if one side is all the way wrong, you shouldn't be seeking to get to a middle ground.

Here's a hint you're not going to change people's minds on the internet. The next best thing is finding a middle ground.

 

[obnoxiouslyfresh]

@obnoxiouslyfresh give it a listen are you still mad and boycotting?

So he apologized, showed accountability, and explained that they would like to expand their markets. Okay, fine. But I could care less about the other talking out the side of his mouth about how they've given us a platform consistently for this long. By his own admission, black women supported that company for years. It wouldn't have thrived without us. How are BW "not loyal" when it was our consistent and damn near exclusive buying power that made SM a lasting brand. Just don't forget who put you there.

So they forgot about y'all by putting out one commercial that had people of another race in it? How exactly were they supposed to reach those other markets without attempting to appeal to them.

I'm sure the company will survive but I also expect it'll suffer in the interim while it rebuilds trust. Tough titty. From what I've seen of the marketing team, they're too far removed from black hair to really understand how what they put out was so tone deaf. I'm not sure how they're gonna pull it back, but I hope they do.

It's my understanding that they had like 30 commercials and 8 of them including the one that caused all the problems weren't centered around black women. Is that really being tone deaf, or is it just underestimating the need black women seem to have to always be the focus. I mean I get that nobody wants to be abandoned by something they've supported, but did the company really abandon ya'll by releasing one commercial that wasn't meant for ya'll. I could be missing something, and if so I'm sorry, but this just seems like a huge overreaction right up there with threatening to boycott K. Dot because he doesn't like photoshopped women.

What you mean "the need black women seem to hav to be the focus?" That's exactly what the product has been since its inception. There's no reason to market directly to other women. Why? Because white hair care does not, yet they still get tons of women of color to use their product. Can't have shit to ourselves. He did all that mumbling and stumbling in that interview just to in a round about way say that white investors are changing his purpose. The commercial was fuckin stupid and that's really what it boils down to. He better figure out how to not alienate the people who fattened his pockets for years or good luck to him!

You really don't see a problem with the bold?

I get both sides of the argument. Black women feel like they don't have to market their products to other races because other brands that are tailored for/to white people dont try to appeal to blacks, while others feel like it's nothing wrong with trying to expand their brand.

Well the first side seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding of how business works. These people are trying to make money. Why should they care that white owned companies don't care about black business?

Are we not talking now about the possible consequences from the fallout of this shit? Cause, guess what? If black women tell Shea Moisture to kiss our butts, they'll be receiving a lesson in "how business works" when they alienate their base. How about that!

Most of the white corporations like L'oreal earn most of their revenue from its global brand division and receive the majority of those sales from Latin America, Indian, and African markets. That's the reason we are seeing more hair product companies securing a bid to act as multi-national corporations. So if they want to expand, don't give me this shit about needing to put 2 white bitches in our commercials. It's really only economically viable to produce in the U.S when Americans are the primary consumer for those products. We saw that in Chris Rock's movie a long time ago. The goal is for them to keep their production low in an effort to sell at competitive prices in global markets. The primary consumer is no longer the American market. Most white companies are already doing this. If they want to tap into white consumers, they better do so without putting two white girls in the commercial and no black women.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

No....just no

ALM is an attempt to disparage BLM and other movements who protest to highlight the fact that black lives matter less than white lives to the criminal justice system and america as a whole

However the creators of Say Her Name and others who share the sentiment the voices and stories of blk women are missing from the narrative are very aware of the disparities that exist and have acknowledged that blk men are being disproportionately killed by law enforcement...they only ask that the movement hightlight the ways in which blk lives other than blk men are impacted by police brutality

Again while we may not be killed at the same rate as blk men, blk women and girls are additionally brutalized and discriminated against in ways that blk men often aren't....and in ways a lot of ppl are unaware of which is obviously problematic

So how is it a deflection or even divisive when the ultimate goal of both blk men and women is to curb, address these disparities and the lack of police accountability

What is divisive is asking blk women to wait or quiet down or form their own movement...especially when blk women are some of the most vocal when a Mike Brown is gunned down

And this whole idea that this is just some attempt to steal the spotlight is ridiculous to say the least

I've never heard the bold at all. That doesn't mean they and others like them don't exist, but they sure as hell aren't the loudest when it comes to this matter.

lol

I think you're being disingenuous

but ok

not even sure what you are implying, to be honest

are you saying that they is a large contingency of blk women who do not acknowledge the racial, gender disparities?

Again, no one is saying black women shouldn't be acknowledged. But when groups black women come out and try to shame people in the community for not doing as much in response to incidents involving black women as they do in incidents involving black men, how is that not divisive?

advancing or asking for inclusion is not inherently divisive...especially when the request has merit

yea some ppl's tactics to push their agenda can be divisive

can't say I've seen a lot of that or at least on the same scale as I see with ALM or blue lives matter

from what I observed most blk women still support blm and other anti police brutality movements without any conditions

if BLM was successful in all of its goals, black women would have benefited more than black men even with black men being the focus.

not necessarily so

our general goals may be the same ...but the concern is the ways in which certain groups are more vulnerable than others aren't addressed that still leaves that one group vulnerable.....e.g. the civil rights movement

reason why sayhername and the like want policies be developed using an intersectional gender and racial lens

and again the lack of narratives from, concerning blk women has led to the idea that women and girls of color are not doing as bad, or that we’re not at risk at all

Now, I can admit that maybe I only look at what feminists and women like them do from the negative side, but you most certainly only take the good examples and try to push that as the standard. So maybe there is a middle ground we always ignore. Still, it's not ridiculous to say there was an attempt to steal a spotlight. If there wasn't, this should would have been discussed internally, not in a manner that portrays weakness and lack of unity in the movement

yea um...no

its ridiculous