Kwan Dai;6797430 said:
how does it make no sense whatsoever??
Africa didn't die when slaves came over to America.....they went on.....
the slaves that came here have a unique story that the ones who stayed DO NOT SHARE.....
it's not like black americans went back to africa...it's not like we have family reunions over there...
all ties were cut....a new people were created...i have no idea how that shit is so difficult for niggaz to understand.....
i could see if your average black family was like "yea, i gotta uncle from the motherland coming over this weekend"
naw bruh..that shit don't exist, cuz we don't have that type of relation....
StillFaggyAF
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Black Americans did leave the us tho. Look up Liberia Sierra Leone black nova Scotland back to africa movement Web Dubois Lincoln Dominican Republic plan etc.
Saying your history starts at slavery shows that u have an inferiority complex. No other ethnic group would say that
Saying your history starts at slavery shows that u have an inferiority complex. No other ethnic group would say that
BlackJerryMaguire;6797514 said:
inferiority complex???
I do not consider myself inferior to an African, nor do I consider them inferior to me.
we're just different.
those who went back, i have nothing but props for them. that's beautiful and a great part of their family history i'm sure. but let's not pretend that was a wide scale movement. the fact that your average black family in america has no ties to and african culture speaks for itself.
there's not handed down practiced african customs in the average black family. no native african languages being spoken in our homes. no relatives visiting back and forth.
i'm not ignorant to the point where this may exist in some families..but it's not something that's a norm in the black american culture here in america.....
yall want so bad for it to all be the same... bt it's not.....
honestly i'm done on the subject, cuz yall just arguing to be arguing....it's a fairly simple concept.....but yalll not getting it cuz yall don't want to get it......
yall go right ahead and celebrate african culture as part of your history,, and i'll go right on ahead and continue to celebrate the accomplishments of blacks overcoming adversity right here in america. because to me that's the story that most accurately represents my history....the history of the black man in america
Du_Du;6797471 said:
Your point that Africa didn't die makes even less sense. The story of Slavery begins in Africa not America. As this is where slaves were rounded up and shipped from. The point of origin is Africa. This isn't debatable.
While it's absolutely your choice to dismiss African History as your own. To make claims that the story of the Black Man begins in America is inaccurate and contrary to ALL history. Be it written by Blacks, Whites. or a drunkard.
I agree there are differences in African Culture and Black American culture. Which, in many cases wasn't by choice. However, there are certainly similarities. Which, leaves us as descendants to put the pieces back together however we see fit.
Du_Du;6797566 said:
If I am reading many of the posts correctly. Many of us are doing both. I don't believe I have read where someone is foregoing their Black American History for African History. I agree with your point that Black American History is a more accurate representation of our History here in America. However, colonization, genocide, miseducation, racism, and death is something that Blacks\Africans all share as History. And perhaps our African ancestors History of spirituality, innovation, Kindness and Knowledge has allowed us all throughout the diaspora to survive, and reinvent ourselves several times over. In fact I know this is the truth considering that Black Men and Women have created new cultures in every nook and cranny we were dropped off as slaves around the globe.
StillFaggyAF
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Du_Du;6797566 said:
you made several posts talking about how because of the size of Africa, your history would be "dwarfed", which sounds as if you feel inferior, even if African-American history is more widely taught, recorded, known, and accessible than African history
you then tell a story about being made fun of/made uncomfortable by Africans from the continent, which leads me to think that you again felt inferior
Black=all with substantial African ancestry so "Black History Month" should include learning the history of all black peoples
Then you say blacks in america have no ties to africa- So Black Americans are fully integrated, assimilated people? Do you feel more comfortable/have more in common with a WASP from Boston then a Jamaican or Nigerian?
Black Americans have several cultural norms/ties/traditions/other things with roots in Africa.
1)
Look at yourself. Look at your wife. You African b.
2) There are historical examples of Africans in America keeping their traditions including the Geechee of the Carolinas and Georgia
Short background:http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/world/africa/gullah-geechee-africa-slavery-america/
Famous Geechee people:
3) How you talk: Ebonics/AAVE is a decreolized version of the pidgin Africans in America spoke
Spoken Word/Oral Tradition is a tradition shared by all in the diaspora
additionally,
Kwan Dai;6797688 said:
4) African-American music. that should be self explanatory
the history of the black diaspora is linked and all aspects should be celebrated
you want to separate yourself because of your personal experiences and as a result of the successful conditioning of black people in America by white elites
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mryounggun
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Somehow this became an 'either...or' conversation. Like you can't celebrate both aspects.
rip.dilla;6797657 said:
Your current President visiting his hometown in the 80s
One of the founding fathers of the Black Panther Party and fighter of racial oppression in America who relocated to Africa ..
I've read both their biographies ..
This actually helps to prove his point that it's 1. not wide spread and 2. not done often by folks who don't have direct (as in 1 or 2 generations removed) links to specific countries, tribes etc. in Africa
blackrain;6797904 said:rip.dilla;6797657 said:
Your current President visiting his hometown in the 80s
One of the founding fathers of the Black Panther Party and fighter of racial oppression in America who relocated to Africa ..
I've read both their biographies ..
This actually helps to prove his point that it's 1. not wide spread and 2. not done often by folks who don't have direct (as in 1 or 2 generations removed) links to specific countries, tribes etc. in Africa
I disagree. This was just an example. Going back to Africa or identifying doesn't mean a person has to literally pack their bags and move. One can go back to Africa by simply adopting various forms of African culture and injecting the culture into their lives here in America.
There have been many African oriented organizations here America urging us to reconnect or stay connected. This isn't a new concept. Marcus Garvey being one of the most recognized people to spread this idea.
I try not to blame some of you black Americans for still thinking that America is your country.
I mean, you guys are brainwashed into pledging your allegiance to the Stars and Stripes from a young age in school.
Like to be called African American but don't want to acknowledge the "African" part ass niggas..
Your ancestors struggle didn't begin when the first banana boat landed.
I've always got the impression that black people outside of America tend to have this view that black Americans think they are better than other blacks. Some of the logic in this thread is the reason why.
I mean, you guys are brainwashed into pledging your allegiance to the Stars and Stripes from a young age in school.
Like to be called African American but don't want to acknowledge the "African" part ass niggas..
Your ancestors struggle didn't begin when the first banana boat landed.
I've always got the impression that black people outside of America tend to have this view that black Americans think they are better than other blacks. Some of the logic in this thread is the reason why.
Yo I just remembered something.
Earlier I said I never had a problem with an African, WRONG.
Man 1 day I was playing football(soccer)
I was about to score a goal and the defender on the other team bad-tackled the shit out of me from behind, straight swept my feet from under me.....I was about to kill that nigga. All for a goal, smh
We ain't fight though.
Ish got defused, nigga apologized profusely.
And everything was cool.......u know, cause we all brothers at the, end of the day.
Earlier I said I never had a problem with an African, WRONG.
Man 1 day I was playing football(soccer)
I was about to score a goal and the defender on the other team bad-tackled the shit out of me from behind, straight swept my feet from under me.....I was about to kill that nigga. All for a goal, smh
We ain't fight though.
Ish got defused, nigga apologized profusely.
And everything was cool.......u know, cause we all brothers at the, end of the day.
Kwan Dai;6797928 said:blackrain;6797904 said:rip.dilla;6797657 said:
Your current President visiting his hometown in the 80s
One of the founding fathers of the Black Panther Party and fighter of racial oppression in America who relocated to Africa ..
I've read both their biographies ..
This actually helps to prove his point that it's 1. not wide spread and 2. not done often by folks who don't have direct (as in 1 or 2 generations removed) links to specific countries, tribes etc. in Africa
I disagree. This was just an example. Going back to Africa or identifying doesn't mean a person has to literally pack their bags and move. One can go back to Africa by simply adopting various forms of African culture and injecting the culture into their lives here in America.
There have been many African oriented organizations here America urging us to reconnect or stay connected. This isn't a new concept. Marcus Garvey being one of the most recognized people to spread this idea.
Thing is though in this instance an example doesn't really dispute what's been said from Du's pov. I also agree that Black History, especially as it's taught in America, shouldn't begin with slavery but I also don't think that the accomplishments and strides made by Black Americans should be overlooked either. It seems like there's such a want to constantly identify with the struggle that people would much rather hear and be constantly told about the negative state of blacks in America instead of just taking a moment to stop and say there's been some serious shit done by black folks in this country. As if appreciating that somehow means you're not aware of the struggles that still need to be overcome.
Also, even though Marcus Garvey was at the forefront of a movement to get black Americans back to Africa let's not pretend as if all Black Americans welcome the different African cultures with open arms. Many speak of Africa like it's one large country instead of a continent with thousands of different languages/dialects and different cultures among the different countries and tribes there. Like it's been quoted in here one of the most well known movie lines in black cinema history for a whole generation is "I ain't from Africa I'm from Crenshaw Mafia"..
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DNB1;6798054 said:
because we have a unique struggle that identifies us as a people.....
i'm very proud of being black, and I'm constantly bigging up the accomplishments and strides that blacks have made in this country......
I'm not trying to knock african's or any other people of color, i'm just saying we're not one in the same.......
that's my whole argument bruh......
the black american is it's own people...we have our own mind set, our own story, our own history that's not shared with anyone else....
we're our own people...and i don't see the need to group us in with anyone else
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