BLACK FOLKS: IF THE G'MENT OFFERED YOU 1MILL TO LEAVE AMERICA TO GO TO AFRICA AND NEVER COME BACK

[Stiff]

african americans are rich but you are not more developed than africans because your riches come from other people you don't own shit and the money you make working for other races you quickly give right back to them. but i guess if that's your idea of development you are right

This statement makes no sense. Our money isn't good because it comes from other people? Unless you own a money printer all of your money is going to come from other people, in exchange for a good or a service. That's how business works. And you also keep ignoring the fact that United States has more Black Millionaires per capita than the entire continent of Africa. So if Black Americans don't own shit, then don't leave out the fact that Black Africans don't own shit either.

in capitalism you don't have a friend it's your group vs the others and any alliance is temporary.

And if this cynical view is the one you carry, cool. But where'd you get the idea that the entire Black race is a monolithic group moving towards the same goals in unison? If that were the case it would be great for us all, but it's not the real situation. Putting a million in the pockets of Black Americans and shipping them over there wouldn't move us toward that.

 

[Stiff]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

Actually as more Mestizo come in certain jobs are being deferred to them rather than blacks. (There was actually a thread about it not to long ago (http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...ic-opportunities-for-african-americans#latest ). Also I like to add that mestizo aren't the only ones crossing over as Hispanic/Latino whites are coming too and this all adds to the white supremacist power structure because their own white supremacist power structure. And I reference Latin American blacks because of "the casta" if you have any idea about it and the new socio-economic divides it can bring for blacks.

Got you. I checked out the article and my take from that is Blacks need to increase our education levels and entrepreneurship levels, to decrease reliance on low paying entry level jobs. Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on race relations in Latin America so I'd have to read up on what you're saying and get back to you because it does sound valid. In any case, I don't think the solution would be us emigrating from the continent en masse.

 

[Stiff]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

I think you should travel/study Latin America and their black history as a clue yo what may happen in the Us. Latinos can he of everyrace BUT in recent census es they have been increasingly identifying as white (simultaneously, in their home countries more and more people are acknowledging their African ancestry) They have a larger population than blacks and are increasing in wealth and power. And while certain latino ethnicities are / can be allied with blacks, many are not and they seek white American acceptance. Personally, I think ligh skin hispanics will be come socially white like italians and irish did in the 20th century and continue white supremacy in the us.

I could definitely see that happening. But it's a little more complicated than with the Italians and Irish. With them I think it was really only a matter of time since they were all essentially western Europeans. The majority of people coming here from Latin America are self-identified mestizo though, and they are Brown. The only difference between White hispanics and the Whites that live in America are that instead of having most of their ancestry come from Germany and England as they do here, it comes from Spain (or in the case of Brazil Portugal). So they're going to be White and identify as White regardless. Valid point nonetheless.

Historically though, there have always been surges into this country from specific area and then they died down. It all depends on where they're coming from. If the economies of Latin American nations begin to develop at a higher rate then immigration from those areas will likely start to decrease. The immigration rate from Mexico as already declined from the levels they were at in the 90s. Time will tell though

 

[Masterfultech]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

Actually as more Mestizo come in certain jobs are being deferred to them rather than blacks. (There was actually a thread about it not to long ago (http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...ic-opportunities-for-african-americans#latest ). Also I like to add that mestizo aren't the only ones crossing over as Hispanic/Latino whites are coming too and this all adds to the white supremacist power structure because their own white supremacist power structure. And I reference Latin American blacks because of "the casta" if you have any idea about it and the new socio-economic divides it can bring for blacks.

Got you. I checked out the article and my take from that is Blacks need to increase our education levels and entrepreneurship levels, to decrease reliance on low paying entry level jobs. Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on race relations in Latin America so I'd have to read up on what you're saying and get back to you because it does sound valid. In any case, I don't think the solution would be us emigrating from the continent en masse.

If you want a starting point Prof. Henry Louis Gates ran a special called black in Latin America that touched upon it a little. But I somewhat agree that blacks have to practice better group economics/self reliance as it is truly our path to freedom.

 

[Stiff]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

Actually as more Mestizo come in certain jobs are being deferred to them rather than blacks. (There was actually a thread about it not to long ago (http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...ic-opportunities-for-african-americans#latest ). Also I like to add that mestizo aren't the only ones crossing over as Hispanic/Latino whites are coming too and this all adds to the white supremacist power structure because their own white supremacist power structure. And I reference Latin American blacks because of "the casta" if you have any idea about it and the new socio-economic divides it can bring for blacks.

Got you. I checked out the article and my take from that is Blacks need to increase our education levels and entrepreneurship levels, to decrease reliance on low paying entry level jobs. Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on race relations in Latin America so I'd have to read up on what you're saying and get back to you because it does sound valid. In any case, I don't think the solution would be us emigrating from the continent en masse.

If you want a starting point Prof. Henry Louis Gates ran a special called black in Latin America that touched upon it a little. But I somewhat agree that blacks have to practice better group economics/self reliance as it is truly our path to freedom.

Bet, thanks for that. Are Blacks over there in general facing systematic discrimination? Or is it more of a lack of opportunities to move up the ladder?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

Actually as more Mestizo come in certain jobs are being deferred to them rather than blacks. (There was actually a thread about it not to long ago (http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...ic-opportunities-for-african-americans#latest ). Also I like to add that mestizo aren't the only ones crossing over as Hispanic/Latino whites are coming too and this all adds to the white supremacist power structure because their own white supremacist power structure. And I reference Latin American blacks because of "the casta" if you have any idea about it and the new socio-economic divides it can bring for blacks.

Got you. I checked out the article and my take from that is Blacks need to increase our education levels and entrepreneurship levels, to decrease reliance on low paying entry level jobs. Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on race relations in Latin America so I'd have to read up on what you're saying and get back to you because it does sound valid. In any case, I don't think the solution would be us emigrating from the continent en masse.

If you want a starting point Prof. Henry Louis Gates ran a special called black in Latin America that touched upon it a little. But I somewhat agree that blacks have to practice better group economics/self reliance as it is truly our path to freedom.

Bet, thanks for that. Are Blacks over there in general facing systematic discrimination? Or is it more of a lack of opportunities to move up the ladder?

kind of both. depends on the country. that particular series is on youtube btw

 

[Masterfultech]

People always relocate to other countries and become citizens of their new country every day b.. .

The US is a prime example of mass migration from different nationalities around the world. (it was originally a land stripped of its original inhabitants)

Why should learning a new language and culture be a problem?

None at all. If people wish to learn a new language and culture of our African brothers that's not a bad thing at all. My main issue is with this notion that the culture of Black Ameicans is somehow inferior to the cultures of the people of native-born Africans. All of our cultures and histories should be respected equally.

We got people in here arguing that Blacks in America haven't progressed, that Blacks in America didn't contribute to the prosperity of America and that Blacks in America have no future. Somebody even questioned the very existence of a Black American culture. That's what I'm taking exception to. That's White supremacist rhetoric no matter where it comes from and it's just not true. Acting as if Blacks haven't built ANYTHING in America is crazy to me.

@Stiff I agree with what you said but personally what do you think when you see the census and the future of us in America. People often talk of the fate of Latin American blacks soon coming for us.

I don't think more Brown people in the country is automatically bad for Black people, because all that does is weaken the power of white supremacy. I just don't see Brown people coming in and realistically replacing Whites as oppressors. I'd have to see the situation of specific countries in Latin America as examples to speak directly to that. Most hispanics in America have the same political and economic interests as most Blacks and tend to lean liberal like Blacks(except Cubans if I'm not mistaken).

Also if we look at how much power Jewish people have in this country you can see how the number of people don't necessarily have to be indicative to the amount of power a group has. Time will tell ultimately but I don't think Blacks should be as alarmed as Whites about the influx of of Brown people because it's not OUR power structure that's being threatened.

Actually as more Mestizo come in certain jobs are being deferred to them rather than blacks. (There was actually a thread about it not to long ago (http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...ic-opportunities-for-african-americans#latest ). Also I like to add that mestizo aren't the only ones crossing over as Hispanic/Latino whites are coming too and this all adds to the white supremacist power structure because their own white supremacist power structure. And I reference Latin American blacks because of "the casta" if you have any idea about it and the new socio-economic divides it can bring for blacks.

Got you. I checked out the article and my take from that is Blacks need to increase our education levels and entrepreneurship levels, to decrease reliance on low paying entry level jobs. Admittedly, I'm not too knowledgeable on race relations in Latin America so I'd have to read up on what you're saying and get back to you because it does sound valid. In any case, I don't think the solution would be us emigrating from the continent en masse.

If you want a starting point Prof. Henry Louis Gates ran a special called black in Latin America that touched upon it a little. But I somewhat agree that blacks have to practice better group economics/self reliance as it is truly our path to freedom.

Bet, thanks for that. Are Blacks over there in general facing systematic discrimination? Or is it more of a lack of opportunities to move up the ladder?

They face all that we face and in some opinions more as they have almost no opportunity for the same education and just recently things like programs targeting them positively and ideas of black empowerment are getting to them. Some things even resemble a Faux Jim Crow. (I'll use Brazil as an example to state that being black is equal to being an inconvenience/pest and there is no one drop rule (something commonly found in Latin America) as everyone else kinda embraces white supremacy but as i stated earlier group economics is starting (http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/518559/booming-black-businesses-fuel-brazil-s-new-middle-class).

 

[onthafly]

'Hey, this country was built on your backs and your hard work. Now that we no longer need you or want you, here is a very tiny, minuscule portion of what you and your ancestors earned. Please leave everything you have every known, the freedoms that this country affords you and the relative safety of this country and never return'.

I'll pass.

I'm just gonna get rich off of this American money and then take it to Africa. Damn these American businesses.

 

[zombie]

african americans are rich but you are not more developed than africans because your riches come from other people you don't own shit and the money you make working for other races you quickly give right back to them. but i guess if that's your idea of development you are right

This statement makes no sense. Our money isn't good because it comes from other people? Unless you own a money printer all of your money is going to come from other people, in exchange for a good or a service. That's how business works. And you also keep ignoring the fact that United States has more Black Millionaires per capita than the entire continent of Africa. So if Black Americans don't own shit, then don't leave out the fact that Black Africans don't own shit either.

in capitalism you don't have a friend it's your group vs the others and any alliance is temporary.

And if this cynical view is the one you carry, cool. But where'd you get the idea that the entire Black race is a monolithic group moving towards the same goals in unison? If that were the case it would be great for us all, but it's not the real situation. Putting a million in the pockets of Black Americans and shipping them over there wouldn't move us toward that.

You do not understand simply having money is useless for attaining freedom, it's not enough, you need wealth african americans don't actually produce wealth. but as a group you make alot of money. Also why do you take things to the extreme @the bolded i never said or implied the bolded that's your mind telling you that. You have more black millionaires but how do they make their money and what economic effect does it have on the community?? black people in america are consumers not producers. you need to actually run and control the economics of your own community.

black africans own more than african americans when it comes to things that are actually important they have more wealth you have more money there is an actually distinction. african nations currently lack the ability to easily turn that wealth into profit this will eventually change.

the black race is not a monolith but our interest run together and yes we all do have the same goal, freedom.