BLACK FOLKS: IF THE G'MENT OFFERED YOU 1MILL TO LEAVE AMERICA TO GO TO AFRICA AND NEVER COME BACK

[The Iconoclast]

By the way white people built america not african americans, all niggas did was farm work like animals but the actual structure of this society was created by white people and remains in their control. the culture of the united states in 89% european.

i always laugh when i hear african american brag about "building america" did the cows on the farm build the farm?? no the farmer uses them for his profit and when he's done he slaughters them.

How I miss this goddamn lie...sheesh

disprove me you geriatric coin what did I say that was untrue the USA was established for and by white men

While the first part of your sentiment is factual, the second part is inaccurate and superficially flawed.

America wasn't solely built by white men (nor was it solely built by blacks.) The US wasn't created in a vacuum, it developed over time and transmuted to what it is today.

While white men created the conceptual framework of our society (basically just transferred and modified ideas from their previous home’s society) and the economic expansion of the US was heavily influenced by slave labor. The south alone (the epicenter of the slave trade) were providing 2/3 of the world’s supply of cotton, which obviously became the leading American export. Slave-based agriculture was highly profitable and before the industrialization of America in the 1800s rendered it obsolete, at one point virtually the entire colonial American population’s livelihood (roughly 90%) revolved around agriculture. Slave-based agriculture also directly influenced and lent impetus to the development of America’s transportation infrastructure (which of course naturally evolved to what it is today.)

I assume you’re aware of the industrial (and technological) history of America? Slave’s direct and indirect impact on the industrialization and urbanization in America? Where everything historically documented galvanized the United States into the modern era of being one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world.

Europeans fled Europe to build a new nation and forced Africans against their will, to help them build it.

FWIW If you haven’t read “Capitalism and Slavery” By Eric Williams, I’d recommend it. The author was a black professor who offered a refreshing perspective on slavery’s impact, it’s devoid of a white slant but fact-filled.

if you are saying the the usa is part of a continuum of western civilization then you would be correct.

yes, america relied on farm work so it relied on slaves but it was there owners and sellers and buyers that created the economic power of slavery. if i am forcing you to build something i am the one doing the building you are just a tool like a wrench or hammer.

is that eric williams the first prime minister of trinidad and tobago??

All I’m saying is that you're dismissing the slaves’ cultivation of cash crops and their impact on the fabric of American society – economically and culturally, the former a salient reason their forced labor was highly sought after and the latter the result of an Eurocentric society becoming enamored with (and appropriating) foreign cultures.

Your hypotheticals/examples are oversimplifying a complex, emotionally-charged topic that has heavy implications. If you force someone to build something regardless of their autonomy or input during the creation of the idea, they helped built it.

One has to be careful with invoking literalism when discussing topics like these. Moreover, here’s a more apt hypothetical (but even this doesn’t give a completely nuanced perspective of the topic):

Let’s say for instance your father is a talented chef, he creates a delicious recipe and buys all the necessary ingredients but forces you to make perfectly everything from scratch and then cook it by following the directions– if you don’t do it, he’ll discipline you. So in fear of punishment, you do it against your will and successfully cook the meal. Is it not wrong for your father to take all the credit for making the meal? Do you not deserve some credit as well? Did you, not him, actually cook the meal?

Ah,I see you’re familiar with Eric Williams. Yes, that’s him. He’s definitely one of the more underrated black historical figures.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

By the way white people built america not african americans, all niggas did was farm work like animals but the actual structure of this society was created by white people and remains in their control. the culture of the united states in 89% european.

i always laugh when i hear african american brag about "building america" did the cows on the farm build the farm?? no the farmer uses them for his profit and when he's done he slaughters them.

How I miss this goddamn lie...sheesh

disprove me you geriatric coin what did I say that was untrue the USA was established for and by white men

While the first part of your sentiment is factual, the second part is inaccurate and superficially flawed.

America wasn't solely built by white men (nor was it solely built by blacks.) The US wasn't created in a vacuum, it developed over time and transmuted to what it is today.

While white men created the conceptual framework of our society (basically just transferred and modified ideas from their previous home’s society) and the economic expansion of the US was heavily influenced by slave labor. The south alone (the epicenter of the slave trade) were providing 2/3 of the world’s supply of cotton, which obviously became the leading American export. Slave-based agriculture was highly profitable and before the industrialization of America in the 1800s rendered it obsolete, at one point virtually the entire colonial American population’s livelihood (roughly 90%) revolved around agriculture. Slave-based agriculture also directly influenced and lent impetus to the development of America’s transportation infrastructure (which of course naturally evolved to what it is today.)

I assume you’re aware of the industrial (and technological) history of America? Slave’s direct and indirect impact on the industrialization and urbanization in America? Where everything historically documented galvanized the United States into the modern era of being one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world.

Europeans fled Europe to build a new nation and forced Africans against their will, to help them build it.

FWIW If you haven’t read “Capitalism and Slavery” By Eric Williams, I’d recommend it. The author was a black professor who offered a refreshing perspective on slavery’s impact, it’s devoid of a white slant but fact-filled.

if you are saying the the usa is part of a continuum of western civilization then you would be correct.

yes, america relied on farm work so it relied on slaves but it was there owners and sellers and buyers that created the economic power of slavery. if i am forcing you to build something i am the one doing the building you are just a tool like a wrench or hammer.

is that eric williams the first prime minister of trinidad and tobago??

All I’m saying is that you're dismissing the slaves’ cultivation of cash crops and their impact on the fabric of American society – economically and culturally, the former a salient reason their forced labor was highly sought after and the latter the result of an Eurocentric society becoming enamored with (and appropriating) foreign cultures.

Your hypotheticals/examples are oversimplifying a complex, emotionally-charged topic that has heavy implications. If you force someone to build something regardless of their autonomy or input during the creation of the idea, they helped built it.

One has to be careful with invoking literalism when discussing topics like these. Moreover, here’s a more apt hypothetical (but even this doesn’t give a completely nuanced perspective of the topic):

Let’s say for instance your father is a talented chef, he creates a delicious recipe and buys all the necessary ingredients but forces you to make perfectly everything from scratch and then cook it by following the directions– if you don’t do it, he’ll discipline you. So in fear of punishment, you do it against your will and successfully cook the meal. Is it not wrong for your father to take all the credit for making the meal? Do you not deserve some credit as well? Did you, not him, actually cook the meal?

Ah,I see you’re familiar with Eric Williams. Yes, that’s him. He’s definitely one of the more underrated black historical figures.

i love this analogy.

in a white persons eyes.....if they are the chef...they are right and they taught you a trade and you should be thankful you are even in the kitchen to learn something.. if they are the sous chef, they deserve rights, better working conditions and fair pay.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Basically bruh us saying that a farmers "tools" can't take credit for the yield of his land...

the farmer is the one that used what he had wisely and "built" his farm with the resources that he had. The planning and the execution of those plans where drawn up by the farmer. This is likened to how America was established.

When are we gonna make use of our own "resources" and build something we can truly call our own?

When the "tool" is a hammer then no, it can't take credit because it doesn't have the ability to---it's an inanimate object. We're talking about PEOPLE here. Our very own ancestors. This is a crazy idea that Blacks didn't contribute to the success of this nation. I've honestly never heard anybody ever say anything like this, other than white supremacists of course.

when did i say that?? i said blacks did not build america and we cannot take credit for the superpower status of this nation either. did blacks contribute?? yeah i guess you could say so but not really because we were forced too we had no choice in the matter. you have not heard this before because you have the heard lies that keep black people unable to properly orientate ourselves in this brutal competition based society.

when did i say that??

did blacks contribute?? yeah i guess you could say so but not really because we were forced too we had no choice in the matter

You literally just said it in the same paragraph that you denied saying it...ummmm alright then

there is a question mark around black "contributing" to the building of america since for the most part we were forced. is a forced contribution a real contribution?? is what we need to ask ourselves that was the point of that post sorry you did not get it

A forced contribution that brought real results is a real contribution.

according to you

because the word contribution has always connoted a willingness on the part of the one contributing.

I don't see any part of the definition that denotes the 'willingness' of a contributor.

 

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[Jabu_Rule]

I guess you can do a lot with 1 Million over there, but I've done a lot as a broke nigga over here already and i have all the things at my disposal to make my life comfortable here. The intellectual boost may be good, but then it may also spark animosity like in Liberia. I guess its easy if your family are recent immigrants from there.

 

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[Jabu_Rule]

The Kingdoms in West Africa were knee deep profiting from the slave trade btw.
http://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi3/slave_2.htm

Precolonial empires such as Dahomey and Ashanti (located in what is now Benin and Ghana), where slave ports at Ouidah and Elmina flourished, accumulated enormous wealth and power as a result of the trade of their fellow Africans.

In fact, Europeans often acted as junior partners to African rulers

At least they said sorry for whatever that's worth.

Africans Have Apologized for Slavery, So Why Won’t the US?
http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...t_the_united_states_apologize_for_slavery.htm

In 1999 the president of Benin, a neighbor of Nigeria, apologized for his nation’s role in slavery. In 2006 Ghana apologized to American descendants of slaves. A few months ago a Cameroonian chieftain apologized to an African American who’d traced his lineage to a couple of local clans. Other West African tribal leaders have done the same.

 

[CapitalB]

lmao at the results being dead even i honestly didn't expect that

nah.. jus checked..

them African Booty Scratchers are up by one..

Nigga hope a craccer egg your Merc @BOSSExcellence‌

no matter..

i get free washes at any dealership.. and complimentary coffee at the S Class Cafe..

i dont drink coffee tho..

 

[kzzl]

I thought there would at least be more optimistic views on this.

Even if they allowed you to come visit your "white daddy chef" whenever you wanted, I think the majority of people that would stay, say so out of complacency. Comfortable in this illusion of equality that's as fragile as an inflated balloon. All these "what if" problems of Africa, slave labor pride, and how blacks can't handle money sound like excuses to keep suffering the real problems we face in America now.

I say suffer because all this stuff that people say we built, we don't fight for it like we built it. Not as we should.

And they seem to knock it without considering the possibilities of what we can accomplish with million dollar backed emigration to Africa. All we need is a plan, our plan, of what to do there. But it seems too me that folks seriously underestimate people of our own color more than they should.

I'm reminded of how illegal immigrants die or risk imprisonment just for the chance to leave and prosper elsewhere with nothing but faith. Y'all turning down a million dollars and the country of your choice on a continent that just might hire you regardless of how "ethnic" your name is.

This is sadly humorous. Everybody wants to be a nigga, but niggas don't wanna be African.

 

[Shizlansky]

@zombie‌

You came to American instead of Africa. Why?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

So there isn't a third option? Feeling no affinity for Africa and not loving the white man? My people been here for a few hundred years now and survived all sorts of conditions to be the most copied, yet most hated group of people in the world. I don't identify with anybody but my people.

 

[THIRDSUPREME]

The Kingdoms in West Africa were knee deep profiting from the slave trade btw.
http://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi3/slave_2.htm

Precolonial empires such as Dahomey and Ashanti (located in what is now Benin and Ghana), where slave ports at Ouidah and Elmina flourished, accumulated enormous wealth and power as a result of the trade of their fellow Africans.

In fact, Europeans often acted as junior partners to African rulers

At least they said sorry for what that's worth.

Africans Have Apologized for Slavery, So Why Won’t the US?
http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...t_the_united_states_apologize_for_slavery.htm

In 1999 the president of Benin, a neighbor of Nigeria, apologized for his nation’s role in slavery. In 2006 Ghana apologized to American descendants of slaves. A few months ago a Cameroonian chieftain apologized to an African American who’d traced his lineage to a couple of local clans. Other West African tribal leaders have done the same.

I thought there would at least be more optimistic views on this.

Even if they allowed you to come visit your "white daddy chef" whenever you wanted, I think the majority of people that would stay, say so out of complacency. Comfortable in this illusion of equality that's as fragile as an inflated balloon. All these "what if" problems of Africa, slave labor pride, and how blacks can't handle money sound like excuses to keep suffering the real problems we face in America now.

I say suffer because all this stuff that people say we built, we don't fight for it like we built it. Not as we should.

And they seem to knock it without considering the possibilities of what we can accomplish with million dollar backed emigration to Africa. All we need is a plan, our plan, of what to do there. But it seems too me that folks seriously underestimate people of our own color more than they should.

I'm reminded of how illegal immigrants die or risk imprisonment just for the chance to leave and prosper elsewhere with nothing but faith. Y'all turning down a million dollars and the country of your choice on a continent that just might hire you regardless of how "ethnic" your name is.

This is sadly humorous. Everybody wants to be a nigga, but niggas don't wanna be African.

Like I said before...this thread is a coon exposure thread.

 

[zombie]

@zombie‌

You came to American instead of Africa. Why?

i am planning to go to africa i already have a brother living in ghana but i came here for the money like i said i feel no affinity for any nation-state so it was all about going to where i could build myself the fastest and biggest. you niggas born here and still starving that's on you

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

So there isn't a third option? Feeling no affinity for Africa and not loving the white man? My people been here for a few hundred years now and survived all sorts of conditions to be the most copied, yet most hated group of people in the world. I don't identify with anybody but my people.

there is but the Murica folks in here are ignoring it. thee way eye see it is there are three options for blacks: assimiliation, seperation, or repatriation

Seperation is what you're hinting at i think. if blacks could consolidate power and ownership over the AA homeland

i think this would be the best case scenario to ensure the future of blacks actually

 

[zombie]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

So there isn't a third option? Feeling no affinity for Africa and not loving the white man? My people been here for a few hundred years now and survived all sorts of conditions to be the most copied, yet most hated group of people in the world. I don't identify with anybody but my people.

when i first came to america i had no affinity for african amerians but i loved you regardless because i was rasied to recognize that in doing so i was loving myself and taking care of my own interest. germans don't like the french but you better believe they lock arms when needed.

 

[Stiff]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

Nah the actual bottom line is that "African-Americans" are a distinct ethnic group that was created as a result of 400+ years of Diaspora that has it's own culture, history, identity, and issues. We're both members of this ethnic group. You've made it clear that for a million dollars, you would abandon this ethnic group and never come back to go build with a group that you most likely have no actual ancestral ties to. And then you got the nerve to be righteous about it. Hilarious.

 

[zombie]

i think the best option black people have would be the modernization of garvism in which we attempt to set up a nation/empire/ confederation on which the sun never sets like he wanted us to and also like he said there can be no freedom for the black race until there is a free and redeemed africa.

 

[zombie]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

So there isn't a third option? Feeling no affinity for Africa and not loving the white man? My people been here for a few hundred years now and survived all sorts of conditions to be the most copied, yet most hated group of people in the world. I don't identify with anybody but my people.

there is but the Murica folks in here are ignoring it. thee way eye see it is there are three options for blacks: assimiliation, seperation, or repatriation

Seperation is what you're hinting at i think. if blacks could consolidate power and ownership over the AA homeland

i think this would be the best case scenario to ensure the future of blacks actually

this would be great i don't think 2015 black folks are capable of it the last 60 years have really twisted the black mind

 

[zombie]

I think the point he is making is cool, blacks did all this. What do we have to show for it?

Not a damn thing but what does that have to do with going to Africa?

It offers a possible solution. kf you arent being properly compensated at one place you would move on yes?

You could or you could fight for proper compensation in your home. Like it or not America is your home now. Not Africa. We who are descendants of the victims of the Diaspora have a culture that is distinct from the cultures of Africa. If you're from New Jersey then you have more of a cultural connection to a Black man from California than a Black man from Angola. That's just reality. I'm not saying we don't have a connection to our African brothers and sisters because they're fighting the same war against white supremacy,oppression, and exploitatoin we are just on a different front. Us abandoning our front won't turn the tides of that.

And for those that think there won't be any animosity between an influx of a new millionaire class of foreign Blacks and native Blacks of these African nations that you'd be emigrating to, I suggest you do some research on how the last U.S Government sponsored back to Africa project worked out (Liberia).

I think the bottom line is that you guys just dont like Africa/Africans. You guys feel a stronger connection to your slavers than your cousins. If the goal is to fight on this front then we are doing a poor job

Nah the actual bottom line is that "African-Americans" are a distinct ethnic group that was created as a result of 400+ years of Diaspora that has it's own culture, history, identity, and issues. We're both members of this ethnic group. You've made it clear that for a million dollars, you would abandon this ethnic group and never come back to go build with a group that you most likely have no actual ancestral ties to. And then you got the nerve to be righteous about it. Hilarious.

yeah you have a 400 year history in america but it's been 400 years of tragedy do you want another 400 years of tragedy?? or do you want to help form the creation of a new world power