Black Atheists Question?

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Oceanic ;6190162 said:
zombie;6188391 said:
if you affirm nothing then you are an agnostic.

The agnostic makes no choice

Here's the thing: Atheism is not an affirmation of anything. It is the rejection or the lack of an affirmation.

Agnosticism, in a way, is an affirmation when one affirms that he/she doesn't know.

zombie;6188391 said:
I REJECT ALL OTHER FORMS OF ATHEISM

I'm a Buddhist.. and let's agree that I'm an agnostic instead of an atheist. If you want, you can call me a theist or a panentheist or a pantheist or a deist. If you don't like calling me a Buddhist, you can call me a Christian or a Hindu or a Muslim. Either way, I don't believe in God(s) and the label you decide to place on me does not automatically or magically change my argument against the existence of God.

Now what?

There is no NOW WHAT. If you believe in anything that is unprovable and unscientific then that ultimately makes your positions no different than the thesist. you still base your argument against the existence of god on subjective beliefs that have no proof, THEIST base our beliefs on subjective understandings of religious texts or our subjective understandings of reality.

A REAL atheist does not believe in god because to them the existence of any kind of god would not be logical it is a complete and total statement that god cannot exist.
 
zombie;6208225 said:
If you believe in anything that is unprovable and unscientific

I don't.

zombie;6208225 said:
you still base your argument against the existence of god on subjective beliefs that have no proof

Yeah, basically you have no proof of God and I'm basing my argument on your lack of that proof. Am I right?

zombie;6208225 said:
A REAL atheist does not believe in god because to them the existence of any kind of god would not be logical it is a complete and total statement that god cannot exist.

I don't believe in God and God cannot possibly exist. It is completely illogical.

LOL @zombie telling me what a real atheist is. You're not even a real Christian. You're a hypocrite. Your Bible warns real Christians about people like you.
 
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Oceanic ;6209781 said:
zombie;6208225 said:
If you believe in anything that is unprovable and unscientific

I don't.

zombie;6208225 said:
you still base your argument against the existence of god on subjective beliefs that have no proof

Yeah, basically you have no proof of God and I'm basing my argument on your lack of that proof. Am I right?

zombie;6208225 said:
A REAL atheist does not believe in god because to them the existence of any kind of god would not be logical it is a complete and total statement that god cannot exist.

I don't believe in God and God cannot possibly exist. It is completely illogical.

LOL @zombie telling me what a real atheist is. You're not even a real Christian. You're a hypocrite. Your Bible warns real Christians about people like you.

The teachings of budda are unscientific and unprovable he was an agnostic not an atheist if you follow his teachings you cannot be an atheist. How am i a hypocrite? i am a "real christian" all it takes to be a christian is a belief in the teachings of christ. Theist don't claim to have exhaustive proof that god exist only that it is illogical to not believe in a god.

You are a buddhist, the nerve of you to act like you are some kind of rational person whose beliefs are more enlightened than any one else. the shit you believe in is no more provable than anything i believe in.

you can't base your atheism on what theist believe because what we believe is subjective.

real atheism has to be based on objective logic, in other words without your own personal opinion on the subject, god cannot exist because logic dictates that a god cannot exist. As you think now you are basing your whole thought process on the lack of understanding and subjective proof others have on the existence of god.
 
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zombie;6209980 said:
Oceanic ;6209781 said:
zombie;6208225 said:
If you believe in anything that is unprovable and unscientific

I don't.

zombie;6208225 said:
you still base your argument against the existence of god on subjective beliefs that have no proof

Yeah, basically you have no proof of God and I'm basing my argument on your lack of that proof. Am I right?

zombie;6208225 said:
A REAL atheist does not believe in god because to them the existence of any kind of god would not be logical it is a complete and total statement that god cannot exist.

I don't believe in God and God cannot possibly exist. It is completely illogical.

LOL @zombie telling me what a real atheist is. You're not even a real Christian. You're a hypocrite. Your Bible warns real Christians about people like you.

The teachings of budda are unscientific and unprovable he was an agnostic not an atheist if you follow his teachings you cannot be an atheist. How am i a hypocrite? i am a "real christian" all it takes to be a christian is a belief in the teachings of christ. Theist don't claim to have exhaustive proof that god exist only that it is illogical to not believe in a god.

You are a buddhist, the nerve of you to act like you are some kind of rational person whose beliefs are more enlightened than any one else. the shit you believe in is no more provable than anything i believe in.

you can't base your atheism on what theist believe because what we believe is subjective real atheism has to be based on objective logic. You are basing your whole way of think on the lack of understanding of others and that is weak.

Jesus told his followers to love and pray for their enemies. All you do is spew hatred and condescension while attempting to preach Jesus's shit. You wish you were holier than us but you aren't. You haven't gained any spiritual growth or maturity and I can tell by the way you present yourself. You are a hypocrite. You are not a real Christian because you don't even have the respect for Yeshua' s teachings to follow them.
 
Oceanic ;6210040 said:
zombie;6209980 said:
Oceanic ;6209781 said:
zombie;6208225 said:
If you believe in anything that is unprovable and unscientific

I don't.

zombie;6208225 said:
you still base your argument against the existence of god on subjective beliefs that have no proof

Yeah, basically you have no proof of God and I'm basing my argument on your lack of that proof. Am I right?

zombie;6208225 said:
A REAL atheist does not believe in god because to them the existence of any kind of god would not be logical it is a complete and total statement that god cannot exist.

I don't believe in God and God cannot possibly exist. It is completely illogical.

LOL @zombie telling me what a real atheist is. You're not even a real Christian. You're a hypocrite. Your Bible warns real Christians about people like you.

The teachings of budda are unscientific and unprovable he was an agnostic not an atheist if you follow his teachings you cannot be an atheist. How am i a hypocrite? i am a "real christian" all it takes to be a christian is a belief in the teachings of christ. Theist don't claim to have exhaustive proof that god exist only that it is illogical to not believe in a god.

You are a buddhist, the nerve of you to act like you are some kind of rational person whose beliefs are more enlightened than any one else. the shit you believe in is no more provable than anything i believe in.

you can't base your atheism on what theist believe because what we believe is subjective real atheism has to be based on objective logic. You are basing your whole way of think on the lack of understanding of others and that is weak.

Jesus told his followers to love and pray for their enemies. All you do is spew hatred and condescension while attempting to preach Jesus's shit. You wish you were holier than us but you aren't. You haven't gained any spiritual growth or maturity and I can tell by the way you present yourself. You are a hypocrite. You are not a real Christian because you don't even have the respect for Yeshua' s teachings to follow them.

never have i preached here. Who do you think i am doyouwant2gotoheaven? People think being a christian means you are mr. super clean but that if far from the reality. No i don't think i am holier than anyone else where have i ever said that i will go to heaven and you won't? where have i every said that god loves me more than you? god will love you and still let you suffer and i feel the same way about some of the people here. I don't hate you or anyone else on the i.c, some of you disgust me and make me angry sometimes but i don't hate you.

PEOPLE FORGET that the christian god is also a god of war and that's the chamber i am in WHEN i debate here.

The O.T GOD IS THE same god of the N.T.
 
zombie;6210081 said:
PEOPLE FORGET that the christian god is also a god of war and that's the chamber i am in WHEN i debate here.

The O.T GOD IS THE same god of the N.T.

Jesus commanded you to love your enemies, not go to war with them. You are trying to be God. You are a hypocrite and therefore not a real Christian. I can't respect that.
 
Oceanic ;6210187 said:
zombie;6210081 said:
PEOPLE FORGET that the christian god is also a god of war and that's the chamber i am in WHEN i debate here.

The O.T GOD IS THE same god of the N.T.

Jesus commanded you to love your enemies, not go to war with them. You are trying to be God. You are a hypocrite and therefore not a real Christian. I can't respect that.

I think you are forgetting that jesus is coming back to destroy his enemies and those of his people
 
zombie;6210911 said:
Oceanic ;6210187 said:
zombie;6210081 said:
PEOPLE FORGET that the christian god is also a god of war and that's the chamber i am in WHEN i debate here.

The O.T GOD IS THE same god of the N.T.

Jesus commanded you to love your enemies, not go to war with them. You are trying to be God. You are a hypocrite and therefore not a real Christian. I can't respect that.

I think you are forgetting that jesus is coming back to destroy his enemies and those of his people

Then be prepared for him to come and slice and dice your throat for being the hypocrite that you are and not doing what he commanded you to do.
 
Oceanic ;6210197 said:
Doyou is a real Christian. He never speaks ill of his enemies

I respect him doyouwant2gotoheaven but jesus spoke ill of the Pharisees you people get the wrong impression about Jesus. He did not stand for nonsense.
 
Oceanic ;6210933 said:
zombie;6210911 said:
Oceanic ;6210187 said:
zombie;6210081 said:
PEOPLE FORGET that the christian god is also a god of war and that's the chamber i am in WHEN i debate here.

The O.T GOD IS THE same god of the N.T.

Jesus commanded you to love your enemies, not go to war with them. You are trying to be God. You are a hypocrite and therefore not a real Christian. I can't respect that.

I think you are forgetting that jesus is coming back to destroy his enemies and those of his people

Then be prepared for him to come and slice and dice your throat for being the hypocrite that you are and not doing what he commanded you to do.

as it relates to you and our discussions on religion I am doing exactly what he wants me to do which is to try and dispell wrong headed views on his teaching. If you think jesus has a problem destroying his enemies you are wrong
 
Either way, you are not a real Christian because you do not respect his teachings. You only use them as an excuse to hate other people. He did not reach you to destroy or speak ill towards other people. You only want to be God. You are more similar to Satan.
 
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Oceanic ;6212033 said:
Either way, you are not a real Christian because you do not respect his teachings. You only use them as an excuse to hate other people. He did not reach you to destroy or speak ill towards other people. You only want to be God. You are more similar to Satan.

I respect the teachings and I don't hate anyone stop being so sensative it is your ideology that is my enemy not you personally.
 
This is a debate and you expect me not to attack your position, stop crying what do you think a real Christian is someone who just lets anybody walk over him and talk all kinds nonsense. Iam not the perfect christian but i am a christian
 
Oceanic ;6213355 said:
zombie;6212914 said:
Iam not the perfect christian but i am a christian

You are not a real Christian.

Oceanic ;6213355 said:
zombie;6212914 said:
Iam not the perfect christian but i am a christian

You are not a real Christian.

Oceanic ;6213355 said:
zombie;6212914 said:
Iam not the perfect christian but i am a christian

You are not a real Christian.

what do you think a real christian is?

I believe in God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and in the teachings of christ that is all that is needed

Now stop crying,
 
zombie;6213396 said:
what do you think a real christian is?

I believe in God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and in the teachings of christ that is all that is needed

Now stop crying,

A real Christian is one who lives by the teaching of Yeshua; not simply claiming it. You claim it, but you don't live it.
 

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