Black Atheists Question?

[Gold_Certificate]

Nah, I don't associate with people who are that irrational.

 

[bambu]

Yeah....

That whole atheist shit is a European invention......

Y'all niggas is lunch meat......

 

[ohhhla]

Yeah....

That whole atheist shit is a European invention......

Y'all niggas is lunch meat......

That means you're dissing half of yourself.

Self-hater.

 

[NYETOPn]

What's described in the OP has never occurred, have been called a "backslider" and have been told, "You're lost", though.

Also, am agnostic not an atheist.

 

[ohhhla]

What's described in the OP has never occurred, have been called a "backslider" and have been told, "You're lost", though.

Also, am agnostic not an atheist.

Sorry to inform you bruh but you're an atheist.

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist.

We're not asking you what percentage you don't believe in one?

We're asking if you believe in god or not.

 

[zombie]

What's described in the OP has never occurred, have been called a "backslider" and have been told, "You're lost", though.

Also, am agnostic not an atheist.

Sorry to inform you bruh but you're an atheist.

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist.

We're not asking you what percentage you don't believe in one?

We're asking if you believe in god or not.

Atheist need to stop claiming agnostics they are not the same thing.

 

[zombie]

Anyway, I don't even believe in mystical shit and I don't necessarily have to to be a Buddhist. Nice try.

But you are a buddhist.

 

[zombie]

A grandmother funeral is a situation that millions of people go through it's a real situation not some impossibility i made up.

I know that death is universal but that particular scenario was [in your words] "set up" to your advantage.

Coping mechanism or not..

Let's just, for arguments sake, agree that it is…

it accomplishes something.

Ok, please continue..

now if we were taking about a family of non believers belief and prayer would not be an issue now would it because there would be nothing to pray about and nothing to believe in.

Right. But then, there may be another coping mechanism that replaces prayer and fills the role of providing peace for the family or community. So then what makes prayer special or more useful (at least in that way) than any other coping mechanism?

That scenario was not set up to my advantage at all it happens everyday how is it to my advantage? my grandmother dies and my sister not being able to pray with me is no advantage. You can smoke crack as a coping mechanism or buy whores, what i am trying to tell you what the coping mechanism of belief is unlike any other and for most families IN TRYING TIMES nothing else can fill it's void.

You think playing sports, sex or getting high creates the feeling that knelling toward what you believe is the creator of the universe does?? hell no. the peace you get from your god is unlike anything else. Talk to a muslim about the feeling he got while he circled the kaabaa. You cannot create that experience any other way.

Also the oldest people on earth are most likely the san people of africa and they have a theistic religion

It's set up to your advantage because you use the argument that prayer works better than anything else.. WHILE USING a praying family as an example. Sure, a prayer is going to probably be the best thing for someone who already believes in it but that doesn't mean prayer, per se, is effective generally speaking

My argument was that prayer bonds and heals a family in a way no other activity can and Generally speaking prayer/religion is the most effective because it can bond an entire family from the 8 years olds to the 80 year olds. This is a bonding experience atheist cannot have nor can atheist families have. so instantly my atheist family member is left out of that family activity if i am the only theist in an atheist family then, then my family losses nothing because they don't care to have that experience.

I also don't lose anything because my religious experience will still make me feel like i bonded with my family on that day.

 

[Bodhi]

Anyway, I don't even believe in mystical shit and I don't necessarily have to to be a Buddhist. Nice try.

But you are a buddhist.

I know.

 

[zombie]

Ok i'll give you that but pay attention to the rest of that post.

Great. Thank you for the intellectual honesty. Ok.

I mean real atheism , hard atheism not the bullshit you practice i don't accept HINDUISM and buddhism as being atheist because in both religions GOD CAN EXIST.

That doesn't change the fact that non theistic philosophical and religious positions like Buddhism don't promote (or acknowledge) belief in God, i.e. there is an absence of belief in God in their worldviews and so ultimately you don't have much of a point here. That's why I didn't address it.

Budda was not an atheist and so what if there is no central god in buddhism it is still based on non-verifiable information is not scientific and is still focused on the supernatural.

 

[Bodhi]

My argument was that prayer bonds and heals a family in a way no other activity can

But you failed by using a praying family as an example. I will not argue that for a religious family, prayer may be the best bonding experience but that's because it relates to the family's beliefs, personalities and interests. For any other family, prayer may be useless or not as effective as some other bonding experience. Prayer is not universally special.

Generally speaking prayer/religion is the most effective because it can bond an entire family from the 8 years olds to the 80 year olds.

Simply talking to each other bonds a family together more than praying to a deity. Praying to a God is less effective than actually solving disputes and relating to others by holding conversation and spending time. You can do this regardless of what religion you are (or are not). So already, we have something better than prayer.

This is a bonding experience atheist cannot have nor can atheist families have.

..or rather atheists don't care about.

if i am the only theist in an atheist family then, then my family losses nothing because they don't care to have that experience.

You lose something. We're not talking about them; we're talking about you, the minority. You lose the ability to connect with them at that time of [your] personal need for peace and solace.

I also don't lose anything because my religious experience will still make me feel like i bonded with my family on that day.

This is a lie/contradiction.. whatever you want to call it. Previously, you said you wouldn't be able to bond with one atheist family member through prayer but now you say you would be able to bond with an entire atheist family by way of prayer. If you are willing to admit you can bond with an atheist, you negate your whole argument because the bonding experience stops the atheist from being an outsider. But if you can't bond with an atheist family, you are the outsider, as I've been demonstrating. Pick your poison.

 

[Bodhi]

Budda was not an atheist

He rejected and taught against the belief in permanent beings, e.g. God. He also taught that the world was uncreated but was instead an eternal process. Any supernatural beliefs other than belief in God don't matter because they have nothing to do with atheism.

 

[zombie]

My argument was that prayer bonds and heals a family in a way no other activity can

But you failed by using a praying family as an example. I will not argue that for a religious family, prayer may be the best bonding experience but that's because it relates to the families beliefs, personalities and interests. For any other family, prayer may be useless or not as effective as some other bonding experience. Prayer is not universally special.

Generally speaking prayer/religion is the most effective because it can bond an entire family from the 8 years olds to the 80 year olds.

Simply talking to each other bonds a family together more than praying to a deity. Praying to a God is less effective than actually solving disputes and relating to others by holding conversation and spending time. You can do this regardless of what religion you are (or are not). So already, we have something better than prayer.

This is a bonding experience atheist cannot have nor can atheist families have.

..or rather atheists don't care about.

if i am the only theist in an atheist family then, then my family losses nothing because they don't care to have that experience.

You lose something. We're not talking about them; we're talking about you, the minority. You lose the ability to connect with them at that time of [your] personal need for peace and solace.

I also don't lose anything because my religious experience will still make me feel like i bonded with my family on that day.

This is a lie/contradiction.. whatever you want to call it. Previously, you said you wouldn't be able to bond with one atheist family member through prayer but now you say you would be able to bond with an entire atheist family by way of prayer. If you are willing to admit you can bond with an atheist, you negate your whole argument because the bonding experience stops the atheist from being an outsider. But if you can't bond with an atheist family, you are the outsider, as I've been demonstrating. Pick your poison.

You misunderstand stand me. the first SITUATION was an atheist among a theist family the second was a theist among an atheist family. when i said an atheist family member would be an outsider i meant that he or she would not be able to feel that bonding with the entire family however when the situation is reversed the theist can STILL FEEL BONDED now the theist may actually be the outsider but he will not feel it, and his family will not feel he is an outsider. but the theist family will feel their atheist member to be an outsider.

You don't come to a funeral to talk about problems and sometimes talking about problems only makes shit worse like i said earlier there is no bonding experience like the religious one.

 

[zombie]

Budda was not an atheist

He rejected and taught against the belief in permanent beings, e.g. God. He also taught that the world was uncreated but was instead an eternal process. Any supernatural beliefs other than belief in God don't matter because they have nothing to do with atheism.

There are many buddhist who believe in gods if budda did not come out and say directly that there is no gods then he is not an atheist.

 

[Bodhi]

when i said an atheist family member would be an outsider i meant that he or she would not be able to feel that bonding with the entire family. However when the situation is reversed the theist can STILL FEEL BONDED.

Then it's not really bonding. Bonding with someone denotes a mutual feeling of connection or unity.

now the theist may actually be the outsider but he will not feel it, and his family will not feel he is an outsider. but the theist family will feel their atheist member to be an outsider.

If the theist feels included in a non religious or secular activity with atheist family and is able to bond, whatever that activity is is obviously greater than prayer because, as you admit, the theist family is disconnected with the atheist. This means that prayer is unable to unite people regardless of personal beliefs so it is not useful in human relation.

You don't come to a funeral to talk about problems

You might not but that doesn't mean other people don't. Grieving is a problem; it means pain over loss.

 

[Bodhi]

If budda did not come out and say directly that there is no gods then he is not an atheist.

He taught principles that reckons a creator God impossible and explicitly stated that our universe is uncreated. The main definition of God is that which describes him/her as the creator of the universe. When Buddha described the universe as uncreated, that meant God being the creator doesn't exist. Buddha's Teaching of Anatta cancels out the possibility of a God as traditionally depicted.

There are many buddhist who believe in gods.

So what? Buddhism doesn't say you have to or don't have to believe in gods. ..although many monks teach against belief in gods because supposedly it hinders your progress. But I digress.

Anyway, this is beside the point. I will not be addressing anything further on this topic. Whether you consider me an atheist or a not does not have anything to do with our conversation.

 

[bambu]

Yeah....

That whole atheist shit is a European invention......

Y'all niggas is lunch meat......

That means you're dissing half of yourself.

Self-hater.

Who said anything about hate????

I'm just stating a fact........

No hating...

You wack.....

 

[bambu]

If budda did not come out and say directly that there is no gods then he is not an atheist.

He taught principles that reckons a creator God impossible and explicitly stated that our universe is uncreated. The main definition of God is that which describes him/her as the creator of the universe. When Buddha described the universe as uncreated, that meant God being the creator doesn't exist. Buddha's Teaching of Anatta cancels out the possibility of a God as traditionally depicted.

There are many buddhist who believe in gods.

So what? Buddhism doesn't say you have to or don't have to believe in gods. ..although many monks teach against belief in gods because supposedly it hinders your progress. But I digress.

Anyway, this is beside the point. I will not be addressing anything further on this topic. Whether you consider me an atheist or a not does not have anything to do with our conversation.

This is the biggest pile of shit I have read in a long time......

 

[ohhhla]

What's described in the OP has never occurred, have been called a "backslider" and have been told, "You're lost", though.

Also, am agnostic not an atheist.

Sorry to inform you bruh but you're an atheist.

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist.

We're not asking you what percentage you don't believe in one?

We're asking if you believe in god or not.

Atheist need to stop claiming agnostics they are not the same thing.

If you don't believe in a god you're an atheist.

It doesn't matter how unsure you are.

If you don't believe in god and you're like 50% you're still an atheist.

I'm 100% sure that there isn't a god just like I'm sure of one-eyed newts, Leprechaun, Meremaids, ghosts, Aliens and those fucking other gods.

If I can't use the scientific method to explain those phenomenon THEY DON'T EXIST.

 

[ohhhla]

Yeah....

That whole atheist shit is a European invention......

Y'all niggas is lunch meat......

That means you're dissing half of yourself.

Self-hater.

Who said anything about hate????

I'm just stating a fact........

No hating...

You wack.....

Like Fiat said in the thread where they said Feminism is for white women.

Just because it's predominately white doesn't mean it's for white women.

Just like how Science and Engineering is predominately white but it isn't white folks exclusive.

Stop using fallacies because it means you don't have any leg for your argument to stand on.