Black Atheists Question?

[Bodhi]

So since this nigga thinks being atheist is acting white, I wanna know what religion god told him is acting black?

Protestantism

 

[Ajackson17]

He can still weep for her passing and comfort the family. I don't know what praying has to do with anything.

It has everything to do with it, when people who believe the same thing pray together there is a unity that exist there it is a special experience especially at very emotional times. I cannot have that feeling with someone i know is an atheist.

atheist and theist don't experience death in the same way for an atheist death is the end.

So pretty much your not including them cause they don't share the same beliefs as you and you believe them to be immoral and unethical. That's discriminatory towards them and their feelings. The lack of belief towards a deity means we are not human and we failed at the human experience, that's a horrible look at it. What if they believe in hinduism or Islam or wiccan? They believe in other deities as well or what about a goddess?

 

[zombie]

@OCEANIC YOU ARE a buddhist i don't consider you are real atheist because you still believe in the mystical.

 

[Bodhi]

Atheism only deals with unbelief in god; nothin else. An atheist can believe in reincarnation, spirits, or whatever. Unbelief in God makes you an atheist... nothing else.

 

[zombie]

Religion bonds a family in community without it you've made yourself kind of an outsider. THINK ABOUT it when grandma dies will my atheist family member come to the church and pray with the rest of us? no and even if he comes we all know he won't believe anything that's said that day. so he's not really going to share that spiritual moment with us.

Religion only strengthens the bond between like-minded people. It's "preaching to the choir", pun intended. In the grand scheme of things, religion separates mankind and only adds to the list of ways someone can discriminate against their fellow man.

An atheist doesn't have to pray with you about grandma's passing to share a memory of any good time both of you may have experienced with her while she was living or to, generally speaking, grieve over her death. Just because an atheist doesn't pray to your God doesn't make them devoid of any feeling, especially pain associated with loss of a loved one.

The atheist is only the "outsider" in your imaginative scenario because he is the minority. Imagine now that you, in your beliefs, are the minority in a community of atheists. Grandma dies, and you are the only person trying to pray about it. And for what?

I am not interested with the rest of mankind at my grandma's funeral, an atheist can share my pain but not in the same way a believer can. If my whole family is in the church praying and crying but taking solace in the belief that we are going to see our grandma in heaven. What are you going to be doing ? you can't really console us because you don't believe. If i am the only believer in a family of atheist i won't be the outsider to them because they don;t believe there is anything to be outside of. Atheism is not a shared thing but prayer can be in other words my prayers will be no loss for them because prayer is not a bonding experience for them.

 

[Bodhi]

Anyway, I don't even believe in mystical shit and I don't necessarily have to to be a Buddhist. Nice try.

 

[zombie]

He can still weep for her passing and comfort the family. I don't know what praying has to do with anything.

It has everything to do with it, when people who believe the same thing pray together there is a unity that exist there it is a special experience especially at very emotional times. I cannot have that feeling with someone i know is an atheist.

atheist and theist don't experience death in the same way for an atheist death is the end.

So pretty much your not including them cause they don't share the same beliefs as you and you believe them to be immoral and unethical. That's discriminatory towards them and their feelings. The lack of belief towards a deity means we are not human and we failed at the human experience, that's a horrible look at it. What if they believe in hinduism or Islam or wiccan? They believe in other deities as well or what about a goddess?

It's not about me not including them they discluded themselves from the bonding experience. Atheist can have morals, they make their own up, but you can't guess what their morals are and that is why atheist are not trusted. I cannot pray with a hindu or a wiccan and share the same experience in fact i cannot pray with them at all. muslims and jews maybe.

i never mentioned anything about the human experience i was talking about the experience of prayer at a grandmothers funeral

 

[zombie]

It has everything to do with it, when people who believe the same thing pray together there is a unity that exist there

But does it accomplish anything? My answer is no and even if you answer yes, you cannot honestly tell me the results are 100% effective.

And if you don't pray to accomplish something, necessarily, I'd have to ask you what then is the purpose of prayer? If it's to experience "unity", then prayer is not necessary because unity can be experienced a great number of ways other than prayer.. like team sports or family reunions for example. A group of people don't even have to pray to your God to experience the same Unity they would if they did.

When you pray in the situation i set up, it accomplishes alot it bonds the family and heals the family at a time of loss in a special way. you cannot get this feeling anywhere else. playing sports and reunions don't cut it. The religious experience is unique because it is the most serious coming together of the family.

 

[zombie]

Just when I thought I'd heard enough, they come with some more off the wall shit.

Best offense is a good defense must be.

So since this nigga thinks being atheist is acting white, I wanna know what religion god told him is acting black?

Being an atheist is not acting white but atheism is a european philosophy and ideology, the first atheist were greek and today most atheist are white males.

 

[Bodhi]

I am not interested with the rest of mankind at my grandma's funeral

I didn't say you have to be concerned with mankind at your grandma's funeral. I said specifically that religion separates mankind. A perfect example is your attitude toward the atheists in this thread. We don't have a problem with you, but you do with us just because we don't believe in what you do.

an atheist can share my pain but not in the same way a believer can. If my whole family is in the church praying and crying but taking solace in the belief that we are going to see our grandma in heaven. What are you going to be doing ?

I would be doing the same thing as you (grieving) only finding solace in something else other than a non verifiable belief. That's the thing.. your beliefs are a coping mechanism. I don't have to be believe grandma is going to heaven in order to grieve or show respects.

you can't really console us because you don't believe.

I don't necessarily have to have the same theological beliefs as someone else in order to console that person. I've been to funerals and I've consoled believers. I've even given a speech at a loved one's funeral and talked about what I've learned from the life of the person who passed and how I've applied it to my life including my opinion on how the world should apply the same philosophy. Believers have told me that my speech greatly moved them. I didn't have to pray to do that.

If i am the only believer in a family of atheist i won't be the outsider to them because they don;t believe there is anything to be outside of.

You would be an outsider in the sense that as far as theistic beliefs are concerned, you are the minority.

Atheism is not a shared thing but prayer can be in other words my prayers will be no loss for them because prayer is not a bonding experience for them

Atheism can be a shared thing. Most of the posters in this thread are atheists. They and I have no belief in God; this is something we have in common. In other words, our atheism is "shared"..

It doesn't matter whether or not you think prayer is a loss for the majority. We're talking about a loss for the minority. Your claim was that not praying is a loss for the atheist (the minority) and I pointed out that it's only true in your scenario because the atheist is the minority. Even then, praying is not a loss for the atheist, per se but rather it may be in regards to sharing a bonding experience by way of prayer with the majority. When I flipped it around, you being the praying minority in a group of non praying individuals puts you at a loss. A community of atheists won't share the belief in grandma going to meet God in heaven with you. They may have a different way to find peace in her passing.. a way in which you may not be able to connect with because of your belief in God. This puts you at a disadvantage because you are the minority. I say that to say this: your argument is ineffective.

 

[Bodhi]

When you pray in the situation i set up,

Exactly. That is the problem. You've set up a situation purposely to your advantage.

it accomplishes alot it bonds the family and heals the family at a time of loss in a special way. you cannot get this feeling anywhere else.

Yeah, only for a family of believers who think it accomplishes something. As stated earlier, it's only a coping mechanism.

 

[Bodhi]

atheism is a european philosophy and ideology, the first atheist were greek and today most atheist are white males.

False. Atheism is the absence of theistic belief. The first black people in Africa were atheists before civilization and culture created the idea of any God. Atheism is as old as mankind itself. Even before there were [recorded] atheistic philosophies in Greece, they existed in ancient India, which black people inhabited. So atheism does not belong to any one group of people. Actually, Christianity is a white religion.

 

[zombie]

When you pray in the situation i set up,

Exactly. That is the problem. You've set up a situation purposely to your advantage.

it accomplishes alot it bonds the family and heals the family at a time of loss in a special way. you cannot get this feeling anywhere else.

Yeah, only for a family of believers who think it accomplishes something. As stated earlier, it's only a coping mechanism.

A grandmother funeral is a situation that millions of people go through it's a real situation not some impossibility i made up.

Coping mechanism or not it accomplishes something now if we were taking about a family of non believers belief and prayer would not be an issue now would it because there would be nothing to pray about and nothing to believe in.

 

[zombie]

atheism is a european philosophy and ideology, the first atheist were greek and today most atheist are white males.

False. Atheism is the absence of theistic belief. The first black people in Africa were atheists before civilization and culture created the idea of any God. Atheism is as old as mankind itself. Even before there were [recorded] atheistic philosophies in Greece, they existed in ancient India, which black people inhabited.

The first people to call themselves atheist were greek. how the fuck do you know what the first black people did before civilization LOL before civilization there would be no records of anything FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.

I mean real atheism , hard atheism not the bullshit you practice i don't accept HINDUISM and buddhism as being atheist because in both religions GOD CAN EXIST.

 

[Bodhi]

A grandmother funeral is a situation that millions of people go through it's a real situation not some impossibility i made up.

I know that death is universal but that particular scenario was [in your words] "set up" to your advantage.

Coping mechanism or not..

Let's just, for arguments sake, agree that it is…

it accomplishes something.

Ok, please continue..

now if we were taking about a family of non believers belief and prayer would not be an issue now would it because there would be nothing to pray about and nothing to believe in.

Right. But then, there may be another coping mechanism that replaces prayer and fills the role of providing peace for the family or community. So then what makes prayer special or more useful (at least in that way) than any other coping mechanism?

 

[Bodhi]

The first people to call themselves atheist were greek.

Well that's because the word atheist itself comes from Greek language. That doesn't mean nobody didn't believe in God before there was a Greek word for it. That's like saying nobody was a vegetarian before the word vegetarian was created or that there were no artists before the word art was made up.

Edit: thanks for the laugh.

 

[zombie]

A grandmother funeral is a situation that millions of people go through it's a real situation not some impossibility i made up.

I know that death is universal but that particular scenario was [in your words] "set up" to your advantage.

Coping mechanism or not..

Let's just, for arguments sake, agree that it is…

it accomplishes something.

Ok, please continue..

now if we were taking about a family of non believers belief and prayer would not be an issue now would it because there would be nothing to pray about and nothing to believe in.

Right. But then, there may be another coping mechanism that replaces prayer and fills the role of providing peace for the family or community. So then what makes prayer special or more useful (at least in that way) than any other coping mechanism?

That scenario was not set up to my advantage at all it happens everyday how is it to my advantage? my grandmother dies and my sister not being able to pray with me is no advantage. You can smoke crack as a coping mechanism or buy whores, what i am trying to tell you what the coping mechanism of belief is unlike any other and for most families IN TRYING TIMES nothing else can fill it's void.

You think playing sports, sex or getting high creates the feeling that knelling toward what you believe is the creator of the universe does?? hell no. the peace you get from your god is unlike anything else. Talk to a muslim about the feeling he got while he circled the kaabaa. You cannot create that experience any other way.

Also the oldest people on earth are most likely the san people of africa and they have a theistic religion

 

[zombie]

The first people to call themselves atheist were greek.

Well that's because the word atheist itself comes from Greek language. That doesn't mean nobody didn't believe in God before there was a Greek word for it. That's like saying nobody was a vegetarian before the word vegetarian was created or that there were no artists before the word art was made up.

Edit: thanks for the laugh.

Ok i'll give you that but pay attention to the rest of that post.

 

[Bodhi]

A grandmother funeral is a situation that millions of people go through it's a real situation not some impossibility i made up.

I know that death is universal but that particular scenario was [in your words] "set up" to your advantage.

Coping mechanism or not..

Let's just, for arguments sake, agree that it is…

it accomplishes something.

Ok, please continue..

now if we were taking about a family of non believers belief and prayer would not be an issue now would it because there would be nothing to pray about and nothing to believe in.

Right. But then, there may be another coping mechanism that replaces prayer and fills the role of providing peace for the family or community. So then what makes prayer special or more useful (at least in that way) than any other coping mechanism?

That scenario was not set up to my advantage at all it happens everyday how is it to my advantage? my grandmother dies and my sister not being able to pray with me is no advantage. You can smoke crack as a coping mechanism or buy whores, what i am trying to tell you what the coping mechanism of belief is unlike any other and for most families IN TRYING TIMES nothing else can fill it's void.

You think playing sports, sex or getting high creates the feeling that knelling toward what you believe is the creator of the universe does?? hell no. the peace you get from your god is unlike anything else. Talk to a muslim about the feeling he got while he circled the kaabaa. You cannot create that experience any other way.

Also the oldest people on earth are most likely the san people of africa and they have a theistic religion

It's set up to your advantage because you use the argument that prayer works better than anything else.. WHILE USING a praying family as an example. Sure, a prayer is going to probably be the best thing for someone who already believes in it but that doesn't mean prayer, per se, is effective generally speaking

 

[Bodhi]

Ok i'll give you that but pay attention to the rest of that post.

Great. Thank you for the intellectual honesty. Ok.

I mean real atheism , hard atheism not the bullshit you practice i don't accept HINDUISM and buddhism as being atheist because in both religions GOD CAN EXIST.

That doesn't change the fact that non theistic philosophical and religious positions like Buddhism don't promote (or acknowledge) belief in God, i.e. there is an absence of belief in God in their worldviews and so ultimately you don't have much of a point here. That's why I didn't address it.