Bill Gates: There's no scientific explanation of how it (the universe) came about!

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Let's go back to the giraffes for a second because this is rather interesting.

Female giraffes, tend to have shorter necks than their male counterparts.

Evolution tells us that the giraffe evolved to reach higher trees for food.

Now if this was in fact the case how are giraffes not extinct?

This would mean only the male giraffes would be able to survive while the females would've died out due to their disadvantage.

We all know that you need a male and female to reproduce.

Males eat at the top, females eat at the bottom. Evolution doesn't promise that a species is guaranteed to live if they don't adapt properly or fast enough.

Why would there be a need to evolve then?

 

[LPast]

Watched the video....

Smh @ people and their dogs...

 

[damobb2deep]

Thing is, birds did come from dinosaurs but pigs have never had one species down its evolutionary line that had wings, or even hinted at it.

That's why I'm saying it's silly, it's unheard of and is illogical.

but before came no other animal had feathers... so who is 2 say it cant happen 200 million years from now according 2 evolution...

under the laws of evolution it is possible for another creature to appear with feathers

but how if the creature didnt have feathers before?

Bruh, you can't be this stupid.

how is this stupid if the statements contradict themselves....

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Let's go back to the giraffes for a second because this is rather interesting.

Female giraffes, tend to have shorter necks than their male counterparts.

Evolution tells us that the giraffe evolved to reach higher trees for food.

Now if this was in fact the case how are giraffes not extinct?

This would mean only the male giraffes would be able to survive while the females would've died out due to their disadvantage.

We all know that you need a male and female to reproduce.

While the giraffe as we know it is native to Africa, more than 50 million years ago they also roamed along Europe and Asia. It is believed that giraffes were introduced to Asia about 15 million years ago. There aren’t very many fossils of the early giraffes but enough information for scientists to come up with some theories that they believe are parallel to what occurred for them in regards to evolution. The oldest fossil that has been identified is about 1.5 million years old.

These early giraffes likely looked like deer and were much shorter than what we know of them today. What is widely debated is how they ended up with the extremely long necks of today’s giraffes. There are a couple of ideas that circulate about that which you may be interested in. Many believe it occurred slowly, over plenty of time due to the trees in the areas where they lived getting taller. This process took place to allow them a way to continue feeding from them.

This is known as the Lamarck Theory and it was introduced in 1808. It is possible that the food on the ground was scarce and that these animals were instinctively raising their necks as high up as they could in order to reach what was there. Maybe they observed other animals including elephants doing so. Over time, the size of those necks was longer and longer to allow them this adaptation and survival method.

Charles Darwin has another theory about survival of the fittest. He believes that some of the giraffes had a genetic mutation that allowed them to develop longer necks. These individuals where able to eat more and so they were stronger. That means those males were the ones breeding and that genetic pattern was passed down to others. Those that couldn’t get enough to eat weren’t strong enough to be able to mate with the females and they eventually died without passing along their own genetic materials.

Another theory is that the necks of males grew longer in order to help them be more different from the females. However, that created problems when it was time for mating to occur so eventually the necks of the females were also getting longer due to genetic factors. However, most researchers have found this idea to be one that they can’t prove and that they aren’t really willing to accept on theory alone.

In 1996 a new theory came along that offers us a new angle to look at. Instead of the necks growing dramatically for them to feed, perhaps it was their legs that were able to give them the additional height required. It could have been a combination of both of them as they evolved too which helped them to be able to carry their body weight around as they do.

The most amazing thing about the evolution of giraffes is that their internal anatomy was able to be modified as well to take care of these changes. In order to help with that long neck they had to develop strong shoulders and muscles. They had to develop a complex and fascinating heart and cardiovascular system so that the blood wouldn’t rush to their brains as they bent to drink.

Perhaps one day we will have many more answers about giraffe evolution. That way we can know with certainty what their past was and how they have come to be the amazing creatures that we known and admire today. New technology and new fossils are discovered all the time out there so we will just have to wait and see. In the meantime though it can be fun to explore the different theories and to discuss what your own thoughts about it all are.

A great read as well.

Very long but it gives credence to what I'm saying.
http://www.natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic10/giraffe.htm

Just a few of the many rebuttals

1) Since the taller, longer-necked, evolving giraffe ancestors were also larger and heavier, they would need more food than the animals they're competing with. Wouldn't this counterbalance their advantage in times of dearth? Would they really have any advantage over smaller members of the same and other species? Moreover, it is absurd to assume that only the leaves on high branches were available to the giraffe during a drought. Had this been the case, then the multitude of browsing and grazing antelope species in Africa would all have gone extinct (or never evolved in the first place). So, even without growing taller, the giraffe ancestor could have competed on even terms for those lower leaves.

2) Male giraffes today are up to one meter taller than female giraffes; newborn and young giraffes are much smaller. The moment this sexual dimorphism manifested in the evolution of the giraffe, it would have been the males that could have reached the higher branches. The females and young animals would have died and the species would have gone extinct (Pincher 1949).

Clearly, both Darwin's and Lamarck's conceptions of giraffe evolution were highly speculative. The idea that giraffes developed longer legs and necks to reach higher food seems plausible, even compelling, as long as we do not (1) think the idea through in all its implications and (2) take into account essential observations of giraffe behavior and ecology. In the end, the idea is neither logically compelling nor based on fact.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Let's go back to the giraffes for a second because this is rather interesting.

Female giraffes, tend to have shorter necks than their male counterparts.

Evolution tells us that the giraffe evolved to reach higher trees for food.

Now if this was in fact the case how are giraffes not extinct?

This would mean only the male giraffes would be able to survive while the females would've died out due to their disadvantage.

We all know that you need a male and female to reproduce.

Males eat at the top, females eat at the bottom. Evolution doesn't promise that a species is guaranteed to live if they don't adapt properly or fast enough.

Why would there be a need to evolve then?

Shit happens. Terrains change, Animal habits change and animals that have multiple survival mechanisms do better and pass down those traits. Look how humans adapt to different terrain. Some people may have better breath control naturally so they move higher in the mountains while others stay by the valleys. They select people like them that have the same traits and then there is an entire nation living in high altitude like Chile. It takes thousands to millions of years to see dramatic change. There is still research being done so i don't have the absolute answer to why this happens. We can trace our own migration and the changes to us out of Africa. It wasn't a long enough time to create natural boundaries to procreation even though there are cultural boundaries which create ethnic groups. Even still, some humans don't have compatible blood donors because their group was so isolated for so long. Check this out, they found the isolated Jarawa Tribe on the Adaman islands between India and Mayanmar which share the same genetics as Asians. They predate Asians though. They are being wiped out just like Native Americans because they didn't adapt through generations to foreign disease.

 

[bambu]

@vibe.......

Proof, fossil record?.?.?.?.?.?

Fossils Indicate Common Ancestor for Old World Monkeys and Apes

Find suggests Old World monkeys and apes diverged 25 million years ago.

Chris Palmer

15 May 2013
http://www.nature.com/news/fossils-indicate-common-ancestor-for-two-primate-groups-1.12997

Two new Oligocene primates found in Tanzania, Rukwapithecus fleaglei (foreground left) and Nsungwepithecus gunnelli (background right), are shown here in an artist's reconstruction.

However......

Many fossils from the late Oligocene are teeth, so it is common to use them for species identification. However, basing the identification of a new primate on a single tooth fossil has lead to the occasional case of mistaken identity in the fossil record.

LOL @ the nerve of these anti-creationists...........

 

[bambu]

Let's go back to the giraffes for a second because this is rather interesting.

Female giraffes, tend to have shorter necks than their male counterparts.

Evolution tells us that the giraffe evolved to reach higher trees for food.

Now if this was in fact the case how are giraffes not extinct?

This would mean only the male giraffes would be able to survive while the females would've died out due to their disadvantage.

We all know that you need a male and female to reproduce.

Males eat at the top, females eat at the bottom. Evolution doesn't promise that a species is guaranteed to live if they don't adapt properly or fast enough.

Why would there be a need to evolve then?

Shit happens.

Priceless.........

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I should've specified, I was speaking in regards to the giraffes.

If in fact the females could eat from lower food sources couldn't the males just do the same thing thus having no reason to evolve?

Evolution supposedly happens based on an environmental change but the terms presented for giraffes there was no need for such a change if what you say is true.

If they could just eat from other sources why evolve?

 

[jono]

I should've specified, I was speaking in regards to the giraffes.

If in fact the females could eat from lower food sources couldn't the males just do the same thing thus having no reason to evolve?

Evolution supposedly happens based on an environmental change but the terms presented for giraffes there was no need for such a change if what you say is true.

If they could just eat from other sources why evolve?

To not compete with females for food could be one answer, but it could be the general difference between males and females giraffes, Also change due to environment is only one tenet of evolution.

It's silly to assume that because male giraffes have longer necks than females that the females would die. "Long" and "short" are relative.

Why are human males taller than human females on average? Human males are bigger, faster and stronger than human females we should have eaten all the food and they should have died out....right?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I see atheist still avoiding j beezy nuclear bomb like the plague!

Question: (simplified version)

HOW DOES NON-LIFE PRODUCE LIFE?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Dang j beezy you just DPG'd all atheists hopes and dreams! Complete annihilation!

 

[zombie]

I see atheist still avoiding j beezy nuclear bomb like the plague!

Question: (simplified version)

HOW DOES NON-LIFE PRODUCE LIFE?

an atheist would say a process called abiogenesis but really they don't have a clue, because when you look into it abiogenesis is pure bullshit. If you have a problem with evolution trust me you don't want to get into abiogenesis.

 

[zombie]

The thing with atheist who stand on science for their non belief is that they believe that all things happened by chance they believe that the universe popped into existence by chance in physics this popping is called quantum fluctuations in a vaccum.

In biology it's abiogenesis, The universe is just a result of good luck to them despite all the signs of order to existence they ultimately think it is all just random.

That way of thinking is fucking stupid to me because the only objective reality is that we choose what we want to believe.

 

[damobb2deep]

Thing is, birds did come from dinosaurs but pigs have never had one species down its evolutionary line that had wings, or even hinted at it.

That's why I'm saying it's silly, it's unheard of and is illogical.

but before came no other animal had feathers... so who is 2 say it cant happen 200 million years from now according 2 evolution...

under the laws of evolution it is possible for another creature to appear with feathers

but how if the creature didnt have feathers before?

Bruh, you can't be this stupid.

Yes he can

lol tell me how..

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I should've specified, I was speaking in regards to the giraffes.

If in fact the females could eat from lower food sources couldn't the males just do the same thing thus having no reason to evolve?

Evolution supposedly happens based on an environmental change but the terms presented for giraffes there was no need for such a change if what you say is true.

If they could just eat from other sources why evolve?

To not compete with females for food could be one answer, but it could be the general difference between males and females giraffes, Also change due to environment is only one tenet of evolution.

It's silly to assume that because male giraffes have longer necks than females that the females would die. "Long" and "short" are relative.

Why are human males taller than human females on average? Human males are bigger, faster and stronger than human females we should have eaten all the food and they should have died out....right?

stop it, that's a horrible comparison and i'm sure you know that.

Darwin and Lamarck both have said that would be a reason for supposed evolution.

They said food sources were limited because of droughts in Africa and the only way for giraffes were able to survive were to evolve to have longer necks for higher food sources.

It would be even more "silly" to believe the only food source for giraffes would be tall trees which evolutionists believe was the case. but alas that was not the case.

as you can see from the image giraffes are more than capable of feeding from sources on the ground

Now if that was the case other animals would've died out simply because they were all fighting for the same food source. no?

 

[jono]

I should've specified, I was speaking in regards to the giraffes.

If in fact the females could eat from lower food sources couldn't the males just do the same thing thus having no reason to evolve?

Evolution supposedly happens based on an environmental change but the terms presented for giraffes there was no need for such a change if what you say is true.

If they could just eat from other sources why evolve?

To not compete with females for food could be one answer, but it could be the general difference between males and females giraffes, Also change due to environment is only one tenet of evolution.

It's silly to assume that because male giraffes have longer necks than females that the females would die. "Long" and "short" are relative.

Why are human males taller than human females on average? Human males are bigger, faster and stronger than human females we should have eaten all the food and they should have died out....right?

stop it, that's a horrible comparison and i'm sure you know that.

Darwin and Lamarck both have said that would be a reason for supposed evolution.

They said food sources were limited because of droughts in Africa and the only way for giraffes were able to survive were to evolve to have longer necks for higher food sources.

It would be even more "silly" to believe the only food source for giraffes would be tall trees which evolutionists believe was the case. but alas that was not the case.

as you can see from the image giraffes are more than capable of feeding from sources on the ground

Now if that was the case other animals would've died out simply because they were all fighting for the same food source. no?

Who exactly said the bolded? Link it.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I should've specified, I was speaking in regards to the giraffes.

If in fact the females could eat from lower food sources couldn't the males just do the same thing thus having no reason to evolve?

Evolution supposedly happens based on an environmental change but the terms presented for giraffes there was no need for such a change if what you say is true.

If they could just eat from other sources why evolve?

I was speaking more in general about how animals adapt. It's not always about food source. Part of it could be sexual selection. It could be that better food was found higher up. It can be many factors undetermined. Like i said, studies are still being done. I know males use their long necks for engagement so i could be a dominance thing like having pretty feathers or a fat ass as opposed to big titties.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Science is about studying these things and not jumping to conclusions. Not to say some don't but, that doesn't mean it will not be challenged, corrected, or elaborated upon.

newscientist.com/article/dn19135-zoologger-how-did-the-giraffe-get-its-long-neck.html#.UzESbNcqUcg

Most people assume that giraffes' long necks evolved to help them feed. If you have a long neck, runs the argument, you can eat leaves on tall trees that your rivals can't reach. But there is another possibility. The prodigious necks may have little to do with food, and everything to do with sex.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Question. Why is it that this discussion became one about evolution? Why is the topic of evolution proof or non proof that God exist? Where is the evidence for that and why isn't that challenged? We were speaking on the discovery of the expansion of the universe and evolution comes up. Is this the go to argument? Even people who believe in God don't discount evolution. Even if it was completely fabricated, what does that have to do with the question of God or the question of the origin of the universe and how do you know what God did to create everything (besides scripture)?

 

[Ajackson17]

You guys still debating?