Lmao if Ghost rapping ability aint matching Jay than no one is. This is where people expose themselves. Jay could eat tracks in his primes but Ghost fuckin zoned tracks b. He brings every dimension of being an MC together. Ghost probably got more different styles in one verse than Jay does in his whole career.
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drsnappple
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Jay never had a verse that nice.
buttuh_b;6177891 said:Nah Son;6177873 said:buttuh_b;6177869 said:GetoBoy;6177861 said:I would try and state a case why jay is better but seeing as how this is the IC aka the capital of jay z hate it wouldn't make a difference so I'm not even gonna try and waste my time
*Kanye shrug*
Yea bitch lay down.
Bruh you need to drop the homo slang
Dog are you slow because it seems like I always gotta explain simple shit to you.
Nah its cool.
Meta_Conscious
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Ghost last album >>> Jay last album
THIRDSUPREME
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Ghost got stand out verses on 36 chambers
liquid swordz
return of the 36
half of OB4CL
The Pillage
Wu-tang forever
And
bobby digital
Every one of his solo albums nothing but raw, creative, original, heart fealt shit from Ghost.
Just because the man didn't go commercial dont mean shit. To jot include Ghost in the top tier of all time is a travesty. And Ill take Ghost all day every day over Jay.
liquid swordz
return of the 36
half of OB4CL
The Pillage
Wu-tang forever
And
bobby digital
Every one of his solo albums nothing but raw, creative, original, heart fealt shit from Ghost.
Just because the man didn't go commercial dont mean shit. To jot include Ghost in the top tier of all time is a travesty. And Ill take Ghost all day every day over Jay.
esco soprano
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Nah Son;6177865 said:I know everybody will disagree except one poster. High five @usmarin
make it two.
NothingButTheTruth
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It's not close to me. Ghost releases quality music every time. JayZ is real hit or miss nowadays.
... I really don't see how dudes can still be a fan of JayZ, when he's digressed so much. That's like Kobe coming back averaging 12ppg and his fans still fronting like he's good. Or like instead of Jordan playing for the Wizards for a couple of years, he played on the Wizards for half of his career. JayZ fans need to let it go.
He use to be good, but he's been wack for a minute now.
... Or maybe y'all just think Ghost is wack lol.
... I really don't see how dudes can still be a fan of JayZ, when he's digressed so much. That's like Kobe coming back averaging 12ppg and his fans still fronting like he's good. Or like instead of Jordan playing for the Wizards for a couple of years, he played on the Wizards for half of his career. JayZ fans need to let it go.
He use to be good, but he's been wack for a minute now.
... Or maybe y'all just think Ghost is wack lol.
CoolJoe;6177991 said:Please tell me what rapping skill Ghostface has over Jay, I'm curious.
You really wanna go there stanley??
Ok.
Delivery - Ghostface... As many flows as Jay has come with they never packed the punch of a Ghost verse. I never seen a rapper with the same type of energy as Ghost.. sure you got your Busta Rhymes and Mystikals but it feels more like they're yelling at you while Ghost shit is smooth and controlled. Jay usually was more laid back with it, which could at times be boring.
Flow - Jay.. This has obviously always been Jay's strongest suit when he was in his prime although recently it deteriorated. When Jay was in his prime it reminded me of a point guard dribbling the rock. He had a crafty finesse flow and he was very versatile although he usually stuck with one flow per song while Ghost would be all over the place with it.. This is Jay's specialty. Neither of their rhyme schemes are too complex on the surface but Ghost has some advanced shit if you look at it in-depth.
Lyrics - Ghostface... This is easy. Jay repeated the same shit a lot of times. If we're putting lyrics under the content category like we should, which isn't to be confused with technical skills, Ghost is blowing Jay out the water. Lyrically, he touched on so many more topics than Jay. You could almost probably make a word pool for Jay off of 2 albums that he would use through out his catalog. And on the more technical side, Ghost used a lot more literary tools in his rhymes. I also think it's funny that Jay came out with a book called Decoded when his bars were mostly always understandable so I don't see why it was necessary, where people are still trying to decipher Ghost's shit.
Storytelling - Ghostface... Jay is a decent storyteller but not in the same league. Ghost's shit was so vivid and told in a completely unique manner. You can see the whole story in your head. Also he had a much wider variety of stories than Jay.
Originality - Ghostface... This is a no brainer. It's all about approach and that's something that no one could replicate Ghost in. My son will be rapping all types of onomatopoeias in his verses, basically doing anything he can to capture the listener. It can be argued that Jay was original with his verses too despite the redundant content but think of an Andre 3000. That's the type of original Ghost gives you with his verses. No way anyone else would have thought of it like that. Shit will blow you away.
Wordplay - Ghostface... Y'all might be surprised I'm going with Ghost because I think Jay is also top 5 in this category but I think people become too focused on his double meaning bars (entendres). While no doubt Jay is extremely witty, I would have to say that half the time those entendres are kinda pointless because the second meaning will be some stupid unrelated shit if not both meanings. Not trying to take away from him because that's a skill in itself but it's a lot more to wordplay than just that. Ghostface puts words together in crazy ways and actually plays off them.
Voice - Ghostface... Jay got that Parkinsons disease flow with the Steve Urkel voice right now that can get to be intolerable. Honestly, Jay never had a good rapping voice. Shit just sounds bland with no flavor. Ghost on the other hand, got a voice that is perfect for melodic portions of the track. It's easy on the ears.
Emotion - Ghostface... I'm sorry but anyone who has a soul in their body isn't gon tell you they can feel Jay's shit more than Ghost. Ghost got verses that'll make you break down. I would even venture to say that any individual that can't feel a Ghost verse over a Jay verse is an untrustworthy individual who would never be welcome in my home.
Hits - Jay... Jay makes more commercially successful music by a long shot. It isn't an easy to maintain the level of skill that Jay did while still being able to crossover. Gotta applaud him for finding that balance.
Production - Jay... Ghost's production was always on point but Jay got the perfect ear for beats and his sounds are probably more balanced.
Songwriting Ghostface... This includes not just hook making but also the overall versatility of Ghost. Listen to his girl joints b. Like I don't even need to elaborate on this.
Catalog - Ghostface... Being 100% truthful, Ghost's worst album is better than half of Jay's albums period. and I believe Jay has a top 15 catalog with a couple classics and some great bodies of work. Ghost shit is just too thorough. He has a top 3 catalog easily. Iron Man >>> Reasonable Doubt. Supreme Clientele > Blueprint. Fishscale >> American Gangster. This shows that Ghost was a better rapper for pretty much every phase of his career.
I'm not trying to tear down one artist to big up another but this is just a case of one GOAT being a better RAPPER than another GOAT. You can like one more than the other easily and even say one is greater legacy wise but never ever ever in your life try to dismiss Starks as a goat.
NothingButTheTruth
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usmarin3;6178062 said:I like Ghost music but Jay along with Nas, Pac, Rakim, etc are a handful of the mc's who are definite top 10 material. Ghost ain't nowhere near no top ten rapper, he ain't even the best mc in Wu, that goes to GZA.
Unless you're taking it back to the 80s, I don't see how you can name 10 emcees nicer than Ghost. Especially since Ghost has the longevity, the impact, and the quality music.
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buttuh_b;6177893 said:Telling someone to lay down because they don't want to take part in an argument is gay??? Lmao I'm convinced y'all never engaged in conversation outside the Internet in real life. Like y'all socially awkward.
Right because telling other grown men to "lay down bitch" in the real world is seen as a straight thing to say to each other....smh
GetoBoy;6178204 said:buttuh_b;6177893 said:Telling someone to lay down because they don't want to take part in an argument is gay??? Lmao I'm convinced y'all never engaged in conversation outside the Internet in real life. Like y'all socially awkward.
Right because telling other grown men to "lay down bitch" in the real world is seen as a straight thing to say to each other....smh
If taken in the proper context and you aren't thinking about faggot ass shit yes. I'm calling you a bitch and I'm saying "Hey you can't back up your arguments so lay down". And your first thoughts are about laying down on a bed of flowers huh weirdo?
Tommy bilfiger
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Niggas gotta be objective Ghostface is the better rappa
Jigga don't tell stories like Ghost do.'All I got is you' is one of the most heartfelt songs Ever.Ghost blazes tracks and tells dope stories and his vocab is sick.
Jigga don't tell stories like Ghost do.'All I got is you' is one of the most heartfelt songs Ever.Ghost blazes tracks and tells dope stories and his vocab is sick.
Tommy bilfiger
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Lol butta puttin ot in this thread
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