Better Diss on 1.30.16 Meek vs Drake (WWE 2k16 Match inside)

[StoneColdMikey]

This discussion really brings out a crazy thought

At 26 and having been through the Big/Pac, Jay/Nas beefs even the 50/Game beef....

It's strange seeing how

This is this generation's "great" hip-hop feud.

Lmfao no it's not

 

[JonnyRoccIT]

Wayyy too much 'selectiveness' going on here...(yeah it aint a word, but y'all know wtf i mean)

 

[DOPEdweebz]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNQ85hTNXO/

Charlemagne gonna give Drake donkey of the day lol

50 Cent, Kanye West, Fat Joe, Jarule, Puff Daddy, Cam'Ron, all could have used that advice.....

I guess from CTG's perspective he really didn't have to make a new diss track. Tellin yall in 6 months these idiots will say Drake lost to Meek Mill SMMFH.

You realize how many idiots have said that before this weekend happened though? If you really want someone to lose then they'll look for every type of moral victory til they got one.

First it was but he got ghostwriters.

Then it was white corporate America helped him

Then it was Drake disses weren't effective, it was white girl support and MEMEs that helped Drake.

It's only til half a year later hateful ass niggas can finally say Meek got the better, and even that's debatable.

It's like niggas who hate the Patriots, so instead of giving credit where credit is due, you constantly gotta look for a cheating angle.

Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners. Both Drake and Meek could learn from that but they both feeding into this negative energy out of pride.

All of the bolded is true, none of which has been used to give Meek any sort of win as much as it's been used to discredit Drake from a Hip-Hop ethics standpoint. The issue has always been, the shit that's been going on the past 6 months isn't healthy for the game in general.

Fuck Meek vs. Drake for a second.

1. Excusing ghostwriting for the amount of content Drake has been exposed dilutes authenticity. Then niggas want to double down on it by saying legend X does it, so it must OK makes it worse. THEN niggas simultaneously want to complain about how shit / fake the music and game is. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

2. Corporate entities ganging up on any young MC / black brother / Hip-Hop contributor for the sake of lulz, wave riding, dick hopping or anything otherwise indirectly exposes all of us from a cultural standpoint, and sets a dangerous precedent. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

3. Niggas paying more attention to dickhead memes than the actual musical content that stems from said beef is clearly unhealthy for Hip-Hop. Example?

-Niggas constantly reciting "Is that a world tour or your girl's tour" is valid because it's music related.

-Niggas regurgitating the same L memes, and then other niggas basing a win or lose off of said memes is not.

Niggas do not care as much about the victor of this dispute. What they care about is seeing Drake held accountable for his fouls.

I'm not even trying to be an asshole but thats a purist's perspective. It's entertainment plain and simple. The memes is apart of that. It's not the 90s anymore, where its just music, social media plays a huge role in entertainment now. That wasn't around in the 90s. We all know that rap is not real but this is like watching a wrestling fan find out it isn't real and surprised to learn Rick Flair doesn't really have 50 jets or that Rock and Austin are best friends in real life.

And Drake did hone up to the ghostwriter comments and said he'd have no issue being at the forefront of the argument to have the conversation and no one said anything after. It's not even about Drake, niggas just don't like him and would rather he be erased from rap. What do YALL want him to be accountable for ? Being himself ?? It is what it is....

Nah Sion, fuck outta here with the bolded.

I addressed why this is an issue for everyone. Everyone complains about how fake the game is, that includes posters in the IC.

So if you in this thread right now, contributing to the discussion, and your in anyway complaining about the hate Drake is getting you are either A. Content with the how things are (IE Fake, unauthentic, pure entertainment) or B. a Drake stan.

You can't tell me all you care about is the music when the music will be negatively effected as a result of this shit. Fun fact. Ya'll niggas wouldnt have even gotten a Back to Back if Hip-Hop purists would have stayed silent on how wack that shit was while his groupies were out wearing battery pack t-shirts.

Sitting there and saying 'rap is not real' is as defeatist as it is false because there are plenty of niggas who are laying down some authentic, inspiring, real shit as of 2016. The fake shit is allowed to prosper because you niggas let it and go with the wave.

You know what though? Drake did hone up to the ghostwriter shit, albiet in a half ass round about way. And you know why we still have yet to have that conversation? Because:

1. A whole bunch of "I dont care niggas" niggas, Drake's chatty patty female fan base, and white people have out voiced niggas like me who would otherwise be deemed "fossils" or purists.

2. Meek hasn't given us a decent record to rally behind in Hip-Hop spirit literally until this weekend. He is also responsible for his inability to act.

On that note? I rather die a Hip-Hop "fossil" then a fuck nigga.

When they start exposin' niggas in sports for using steroids ya'll gonna be like "-everybody use'm though, so its cool." Come on fam.

It sounds really nice and all but what have you done for the culture lately. If you really are a Hio Hop advocate, be 100 with it. Don't download a record, pay for it. Support your favorite artist by buying their music and paying for their concerts, and discuss whoever you feel appeals to you or you think is real.

At the end of the day it's easy for someone like you who we don't know what they're doing themselves and call other people fakes, vultures, stans or whatever, while calling yourself real. Finger pointing and name calling is the easiest part of being online, but it doesn't really help any resolve or contribute to any cause but to back and forth banter.

 

[sr_the_freshman]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNQ85hTNXO/

Charlemagne gonna give Drake donkey of the day lol

50 Cent, Kanye West, Fat Joe, Jarule, Puff Daddy, Cam'Ron, all could have used that advice.....

I guess from CTG's perspective he really didn't have to make a new diss track. Tellin yall in 6 months these idiots will say Drake lost to Meek Mill SMMFH.

You realize how many idiots have said that before this weekend happened though? If you really want someone to lose then they'll look for every type of moral victory til they got one.

First it was but he got ghostwriters.

Then it was white corporate America helped him

Then it was Drake disses weren't effective, it was white girl support and MEMEs that helped Drake.

It's only til half a year later hateful ass niggas can finally say Meek got the better, and even that's debatable.

It's like niggas who hate the Patriots, so instead of giving credit where credit is due, you constantly gotta look for a cheating angle.

Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners. Both Drake and Meek could learn from that but they both feeding into this negative energy out of pride.

All of the bolded is true, none of which has been used to give Meek any sort of win as much as it's been used to discredit Drake from a Hip-Hop ethics standpoint. The issue has always been, the shit that's been going on the past 6 months isn't healthy for the game in general.

Fuck Meek vs. Drake for a second.

1. Excusing ghostwriting for the amount of content Drake has been exposed dilutes authenticity. Then niggas want to double down on it by saying legend X does it, so it must be OK makes it worse. THEN niggas simultaneously want to complain about how shit / fake the music and game is. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

2. Corporate entities ganging up on any young MC / black brother / Hip-Hop contributor for the sake of lulz, wave riding, dick hopping or anything otherwise indirectly exposes all of us from a cultural standpoint, and sets a dangerous precedent. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

3. Niggas paying more attention to dickhead memes than the actual musical content that stems from said beef is clearly unhealthy for Hip-Hop. Example?

-Niggas constantly reciting "Is that a world tour or your girl's tour" is valid because it's music related.

-Niggas regurgitating the same L memes, and then other niggas basing a win or lose off of said memes is not.

Niggas do not care as much about the victor of this dispute. What they care about is seeing Drake held accountable for his fouls.

Edit: Miss me with that winners, losers lingo BS. Donald Trump is a winner. He is also a terrible human being.

1. Well written, but you're acting as if Drake isnt considered black himself? Isn't black on black? Or are you gonna go with selective colorism?

2. Drake and Donald Trump are both equally bad people? How Sway?

3. Say what you want but the niggas agreeing with you have actually typed Meek is winning, Drake is losing. If it wasn't about winning or choosing brothers wouldn't even have voted or cared to state their opinions on both.

You can make it just being about 'hip hop ethics', or just about corporations, or whatever else BUT this battle or beef encompasses EVERYTHING we're discussing and not just one narrow minded angle you choose to point out. People will make about what is important to them either way. It's all selective, but everyone including you and me got some bias or motive all due to human nature, and there's mothing wrong with that.

We can pick apart each others' stances all day.

My nigga,

1. That is not what I'm saying, or implying at all. If Drake and Meek's roles were reversed, I'd be saying the same shit. I'm not even OK with the way the outsiders like to jump on Kanye or B.O.B's dumbass, although in both instances those niggas did it to themselves. I'm not ok with any of that shit.

2. That's a reach fam. That isnt what I said, and you know it.

3. I don't disagree with this, but said niggas are only acting retroactively based on all the extra shit that has transpired around the dispute.

And as for your closer, I dont agree at all. I can go on record as saying that I prefer Drake's music to Meek's shit by a comfortable margin. But I can acknowledge a serious issue in the sport when I see it, and I can acknowledge that something needs to be done about. Everyone has bias. Allowing your bias to cloud your judgement on something that could be damaging to a culture you claim to love is dangerous. I won't allow my bias or musical taste to do that shit.

 

[kingblaze84]

I wasn't that impressed with Meek's song for some reason, Drake's was more entertaining but I admit Meek had some nice lines there

 

[JonnyRoccIT]

I wasn't that impressed with Meek's song for some reason, Drake's was more entertaining but I admit Meek had some nice lines there

Like which ones...? lol

 

[DOPEdweebz]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNQ85hTNXO/

Charlemagne gonna give Drake donkey of the day lol

50 Cent, Kanye West, Fat Joe, Jarule, Puff Daddy, Cam'Ron, all could have used that advice.....

I guess from CTG's perspective he really didn't have to make a new diss track. Tellin yall in 6 months these idiots will say Drake lost to Meek Mill SMMFH.

You realize how many idiots have said that before this weekend happened though? If you really want someone to lose then they'll look for every type of moral victory til they got one.

First it was but he got ghostwriters.

Then it was white corporate America helped him

Then it was Drake disses weren't effective, it was white girl support and MEMEs that helped Drake.

It's only til half a year later hateful ass niggas can finally say Meek got the better, and even that's debatable.

It's like niggas who hate the Patriots, so instead of giving credit where credit is due, you constantly gotta look for a cheating angle.

Winners focus on winning, losers focus on winners. Both Drake and Meek could learn from that but they both feeding into this negative energy out of pride.

All of the bolded is true, none of which has been used to give Meek any sort of win as much as it's been used to discredit Drake from a Hip-Hop ethics standpoint. The issue has always been, the shit that's been going on the past 6 months isn't healthy for the game in general.

Fuck Meek vs. Drake for a second.

1. Excusing ghostwriting for the amount of content Drake has been exposed dilutes authenticity. Then niggas want to double down on it by saying legend X does it, so it must be OK makes it worse. THEN niggas simultaneously want to complain about how shit / fake the music and game is. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

2. Corporate entities ganging up on any young MC / black brother / Hip-Hop contributor for the sake of lulz, wave riding, dick hopping or anything otherwise indirectly exposes all of us from a cultural standpoint, and sets a dangerous precedent. It is unhealthy for Hip-Hop.

3. Niggas paying more attention to dickhead memes than the actual musical content that stems from said beef is clearly unhealthy for Hip-Hop. Example?

-Niggas constantly reciting "Is that a world tour or your girl's tour" is valid because it's music related.

-Niggas regurgitating the same L memes, and then other niggas basing a win or lose off of said memes is not.

Niggas do not care as much about the victor of this dispute. What they care about is seeing Drake held accountable for his fouls.

Edit: Miss me with that winners, losers lingo BS. Donald Trump is a winner. He is also a terrible human being.

1. Well written, but you're acting as if Drake isnt considered black himself? Isn't black on black? Or are you gonna go with selective colorism?

2. Drake and Donald Trump are both equally bad people? How Sway?

3. Say what you want but the niggas agreeing with you have actually typed Meek is winning, Drake is losing. If it wasn't about winning or choosing brothers wouldn't even have voted or cared to state their opinions on both.

You can make it just being about 'hip hop ethics', or just about corporations, or whatever else BUT this battle or beef encompasses EVERYTHING we're discussing and not just one narrow minded angle you choose to point out. People will make about what is important to them either way. It's all selective, but everyone including you and me got some bias or motive all due to human nature, and there's mothing wrong with that.

We can pick apart each others' stances all day.

My nigga,

1. That is not what I'm saying, or implying at all. If Drake and Meek's roles were reversed, I'd be saying the same shit. I'm not even OK with the way the outsiders like to jump on Kanye or B.O.B's dumbass, although in both instances those niggas did it to themselves. I'm not ok with any of that shit.

2. That's a reach fam. That isnt what I said, and you know it.

3. I don't disagree with this, but said niggas are only acting retroactively based on all the extra shit that has transpired around the dispute.

And as for your closer, I dont agree at all. I can go on record as saying that I prefer Drake's music to Meek's shit by a comfortable margin. But I can acknowledge a serious issue in the sport when I see it, and I can acknowledge that something needs to be done about. Everyone has bias. Allowing your bias to cloud your judgement on something that could be damaging to a culture you claim to love is dangerous. I won't allow my bias or musical taste to do that shit.

Good discussion my brother. Btw I felt whats really lost and why I merged my two threads is that Meek 4/4 pt 2 EP was actually fire. 3 of the 4 tracks are on heavy rotation for me right now.

But all that wants to get discussed are the disses, so even myself is at fault to catering to the masses or the trend. Fuck it.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

This discussion really brings out a crazy thought

At 26 and having been through the Big/Pac, Jay/Nas beefs even the 50/Game beef....

It's strange seeing how

This is this generation's "great" hip-hop feud.

Lmfao no it's not

You do realize that I put great in quotations right?

Not to mention the emphasis on this generation. Which, is actually your generation. By definition, "great" as in it's the most talked about feud in a long awhile

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Seriously it's time for some violence

 

[IceBergTaylor]

Seriously it's time for some violence

Bruh

 

[RickyRich]

Seriously it's time for some violence

Wtf u gonna do

 

[Candleguy]

Where are the Drake quotables?

and by that, I mean actually hot bars not the usual "facebook status" lines he stay droppin

I let the diss record drop, you was staying right below me, nigga

We must have played it a hundred times, you was going to bed

Why would I put on a vest I expect you to aim for the head?

I coulda killed you the first time

You don’t have to try to say it louder nigga

 

[kingblaze84]

LOL at flagrantly ignoring corporations inviting themselves into this beef by constantly poking fun at Meek, a young african american male at that. But that somehow is passable by Drake fans

Hip-hop is pop culture tho, look at social media and the way even the white kids are talking or referencing. If you go to a white club they're playing Hip-hop not rock and roll. Rap music is no longer confined to us anymore, its literally the dominate form of music across the world.

The ppl running the social media for corporations are young ppl like us, the CEO of Burger King is in his 60s I doubt he has time to tweet let alone know how LOLOL. Corporations don't give a fuck, hip-hop is a business now, has been for over a decade now (see 50 Cent/G-Unit). Don't defend that nigga Meek, corporations used the Kanye/Wiz beef to promote themselves.

Excellent post, hip-hop is huge business now and it's part of pop culture in general, so of course big business and memes will be involved. When rappers use social media themselves, they shouldn't complain when corporations do what they do to make money. And plus Drake has been a star for awhile now, Meek beefing with him for no good reason was never a smart move image wise. Even Will Smith is cracking on Meek now smh

 

[The Recipe]

Dayummmnnn Meek came hard as fuck. Now we got a battle...

6 months later.........

how long did it take for nas to drop ether?

You tell me that was almost 20 years ago... But how many failed disses did nas have between Takeover and Ether?

 

[DOPEdweebz]

Dayummmnnn Meek came hard as fuck. Now we got a battle...

6 months later.........

how long did it take for nas to drop ether?

You tell me that was almost 20 years ago... But how many failed disses did nas have between Takeover and Ether?

Different time period also. Everything comes instantly and we want instant gratification.

 

[The Recipe]

Drake fans in here really reppin, going Emo for they 6 God lol.

 

[RickyRich]

Drake fans in here really reppin, going Emo for they 6 God lol.

Same wit em meeka fans

 

[kingblaze84]

This discussion really brings out a crazy thought

At 26 and having been through the Big/Pac, Jay/Nas beefs even the 50/Game beef....

It's strange seeing how

This is this generation's "great" hip-hop feud.

It's not even a great feud to be honest, none of these disses are anything close to the rappers you mentioned. The memes and online forums are the best things about the Meek and Drake beef.

 

[R.D.]

Drake fans in here really reppin, going Emo for they 6 God lol.

This corny

Niggas in here having discussions and giving both sides of the coin and niggas always turn it into some cornball shit calling niggas stans for opposite stances(both ways)

The reason actually been far better than in recent years

 

[Candleguy]

Drake fans in here really reppin, going Emo for they 6 God lol.

Nah man

It's about content. The most you can say about Meek is his beat was harder and since there are rumors going around that he knew about this song beforehand we can reasonably think that he had the time and opportunity and this is the best he could have done.

Drake in a lazy track compared to back 2 back legitimately made me laugh with the "louder" line. Meek still talking about money in a battle with Drake, he's still talking about Niki in his bed someone Drake likely fucked already and someone Drake already passed of the impression is the star/boss of their relationship.

Meek did come with the truth with the ghost writing but let's be honest the industry doesn't give a shit about that. Ideally fans should, but they don't.

Everyone has called Drake soft, Meek didn't even come up with some funny shit to express that. He was just like "you soft we gonna take yo chains"

We already know Meek is more aggressive than Drake so...