Ghostdenithegawd;8734824 said:thought there where only 3 reference tracks jesus christ
I can see some more reference tracks leaking in the future.
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Ghostdenithegawd;8734824 said:thought there where only 3 reference tracks jesus christ
EmM HoLLa.;8734877 said:sr_the_freshman;8734864 said:EmM HoLLa.;8734814 said:One thing I will say for us older cats that came up in the 90's.. We just gotta let this shit go.. It's a new day.. A new generation... We can't argue with these younger cats cuz their experiences are different from ours.. Example.. If a young nigga say that KD is better than Jordan are we going to argue with the nigga?.. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.. We either need to educate and even with that the impact isn't the same.. (They won't experience shit in real time the way we did.. ) Or just let it go..
I'm feeling like we just need to let it go.. The generation after them will do them niggaz the same way lol..
My nigga if KD used fuckin' steroids, damn right Im'a argue with a nigga who declares KD better then Jordan.
@bck145 I'm not even gonna entertain that bullshit. No the fuck Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 by general consensus. Snoop especially. Cube is debatable. How the fuck am I stanning? For who?
The steroid argument is a valid one.. These cats just don't know any better.. If you go on the youtube comments for 10 bands.. Some young kid is saying Drake mentioned QM in the credits so how is that a Ghost writer.. These cats just don't get it.. And when you think critically how can we expect them to get it.. It's a new day bro..
gee757;8734821 said:blackrain;8734798 said:Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.
In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.
Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.
Fuk 2 here goes 4 reference trax 4 u...
3 strikes & ya out
Sion;8735926 said:LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL shit like this is why I wish we could up the old threads that were lost during the meltdown. When Rick Ross got exposed niggas were up in arms about how he was a CO and a fake. People were really shocked to find out he didn't sell all those kilos or meet the real Noreaga LOLOLOL. Today, it's "Rick Ross beat 50 Cent because he out lasted him and is hot in the streets".
I'm not excusing that Drake had a writer write a rap record but people obviously don't give a fuck. McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod I'm sure sleep comfortably in their multi-million dollar mansions, with 30 cars and a 100 yamps to satisfy their every desire. Rap is entertainment and Drake won't be the last person we come to find out uses writers. The younger generation I assure you is not going to give a fuck as long as it sounds good.
The_Jackal;8735753 said:Ghostdenithegawd;8734816 said:blackrain;8734799 said:Ghostdenithegawd;8734774 said:The_Jackal;8734729 said:The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good
never heard this on the ic
or at all in general
Nah that's been discussed before. Some do think Luda won that battle because he got to hear TI verse then respond on the same song. Though Luda does go hard at him on a couple of his intro tracks
luda would of destroyed him regardless tho
Nah I agree with that just saying niggas been saying Luda "cheated" but all of a sudden for meek it's all good. Niggas are like sandals flip flop everyday
WorlBoss;8735818 said:How much strikes ross got
Sion;8735926 said:LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL shit like this is why I wish we could up the old threads that were lost during the meltdown. When Rick Ross got exposed niggas were up in arms about how he was a CO and a fake. People were really shocked to find out he didn't sell all those kilos or meet the real Noreaga LOLOLOL. Today, it's "Rick Ross beat 50 Cent because he out lasted him and is hot in the streets".
I'm not excusing that Drake had a writer write a rap record but people obviously don't give a fuck. McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod I'm sure sleep comfortably in their multi-million dollar mansions, with 30 cars and a 100 yamps to satisfy their every desire. Rap is entertainment and Drake won't be the last person we come to find out uses writers. The younger generation I assure you is not going to give a fuck as long as it sounds good.
Sion;8735926 said:LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL shit like this is why I wish we could up the old threads that were lost during the meltdown. When Rick Ross got exposed niggas were up in arms about how he was a CO and a fake. People were really shocked to find out he didn't sell all those kilos or meet the real Noreaga LOLOLOL. Today, it's "Rick Ross beat 50 Cent because he out lasted him and is hot in the streets".
I'm not excusing that Drake had a writer write a rap record but people obviously don't give a fuck. McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod I'm sure sleep comfortably in their multi-million dollar mansions, with 30 cars and a 100 yamps to satisfy their every desire. Rap is entertainment and Drake won't be the last person we come to find out uses writers. The younger generation I assure you is not going to give a fuck as long as it sounds good.
xxCivicxx;8736016 said:You clearly care, you're trying to derail too. This has nothing to do with Ross, he writes his own bars to my knowledge
I dont believe most of the shit I hear from most rappers
I DO believe that rappers are supposed to write their own raps, regardless of subject matter
Rap is gonna go the way of rock/blues/jazz/country but I guess niggas don't care at all smh
xxCivicxx;8735997 said:The_Jackal;8735753 said:Ghostdenithegawd;8734816 said:blackrain;8734799 said:Ghostdenithegawd;8734774 said:The_Jackal;8734729 said:The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good
never heard this on the ic
or at all in general
Nah that's been discussed before. Some do think Luda won that battle because he got to hear TI verse then respond on the same song. Though Luda does go hard at him on a couple of his intro tracks
luda would of destroyed him regardless tho
Nah I agree with that just saying niggas been saying Luda "cheated" but all of a sudden for meek it's all good. Niggas are like sandals flip flop everyday
Why are you trying to derail?
What are you even talking about??
Sion;8736261 said:xxCivicxx;8736016 said:Sion;8735926 said:LOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL shit like this is why I wish we could up the old threads that were lost during the meltdown. When Rick Ross got exposed niggas were up in arms about how he was a CO and a fake. People were really shocked to find out he didn't sell all those kilos or meet the real Noreaga LOLOLOL. Today, it's "Rick Ross beat 50 Cent because he out lasted him and is hot in the streets".
I'm not excusing that Drake had a writer write a rap record but people obviously don't give a fuck. McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod I'm sure sleep comfortably in their multi-million dollar mansions, with 30 cars and a 100 yamps to satisfy their every desire. Rap is entertainment and Drake won't be the last person we come to find out uses writers. The younger generation I assure you is not going to give a fuck as long as it sounds good.
You clearly care, you're trying to derail too. This has nothing to do with Ross, he writes his own bars to my knowledge
I dont believe most of the shit I hear from most rappers
I DO believe that rappers are supposed to write their own raps, regardless of subject matter
Rap is gonna go the way of rock/blues/jazz/country but I guess niggas don't care at all smh
If Drake should be accountable and take responsibility for faking the funk and passing off that record as if it were his own when it was co-written by Quentin Miller, then Rick Ross should be too for stealing Freeway Ricky Ross' entire persona and passing it off as his own.
It prolly will because it's no longer exclusive to us anymore. They made a thread in the GNS about white chicks dancing to black music perpetuating black culture. In 10 years, the concept of rap isn't going to be exclusive to Hip-Hop, fuckin Taylor Swift is doing it in songs, Rita Ora & Kim K could pass for Puerto Rican, white kids are rocking jays and sagging their pants. It is what it is....
Sion;8736320 said:Exactly, that's the point I'm getting to. Where do we draw then line between entertainment and reality ? At what point do we stop caring and why should it matter if it's for the sake of entertainment ? It prolly shouldn't but yet it does. It's like the guy who refuses to believe wrestling is fake.
People do it with actors too, most ppl fall in love with the characters they portray and mistake the identity of the character for the actors'. That's partly why typecasting exists or why we respect certain actors more than we should (see Bill Cosby/Cliff Huxtable).
People live vicariously through the image that's portrayed because they relate to it. Shit like that can be disastrous to say... the kid with no positive influences or good parents to teach them better. It's interesting.
Sion;8736440 said:Well that's where the confusion is.... Rap isn't going to be exclusive to Hip-Hop in 10 years, because like you said it's Hip-Pop now. The elements of pop are going to seep into rap because our music is the dominant art form right now. In pop music it's very common for artists to have songs written (look at the Backstreet Boys or Michael Jackson). Drake started out in rap so by default, the youth are going to say he's a rapper. The purists will never give him that label but history will remember it very differently complete with bias and comparisons especially when he featured and rapped with other rappers. In 10 years will we even be talking about ghostwriters or will it be common place ? By then I suspect we'll say "Hip-Hop is dead" like we did in 08 and the cycle continues. But I'm certain this were the 90s Drake would be extradited with the quickness.
But like I said, where do we draw the line entertainment and reality ? That's the confusion. To Drake, Rick Ross, 50 Cent, whoever, it's a business - it's the business of music. They don't care as long as they make money off it because having a hit record and feeling good about it is the high they're frequently chasing and they'll get it by any means necessary.
gee757;8737130 said:Sion;8736440 said:Well that's where the confusion is.... Rap isn't going to be exclusive to Hip-Hop in 10 years, because like you said it's Hip-Pop now. The elements of pop are going to seep into rap because our music is the dominant art form right now. In pop music it's very common for artists to have songs written (look at the Backstreet Boys or Michael Jackson). Drake started out in rap so by default, the youth are going to say he's a rapper. The purists will never give him that label but history will remember it very differently complete with bias and comparisons especially when he featured and rapped with other rappers. In 10 years will we even be talking about ghostwriters or will it be common place ? By then I suspect we'll say "Hip-Hop is dead" like we did in 08 and the cycle continues. But I'm certain this were the 90s Drake would be extradited with the quickness.
But like I said, where do we draw the line entertainment and reality ? That's the confusion. To Drake, Rick Ross, 50 Cent, whoever, it's a business - it's the business of music. They don't care as long as they make money off it because having a hit record and feeling good about it is the high they're frequently chasing and they'll get it by any means necessary.
There is no confusion rap is entertainment if u believe everything outta a rappers mouf u r a fool cuz all rappers lie.......now if u call ya self a rapper but u need kats camped out n the studio n tents 2 write ya raps u better not fix ya mouf & say u r n the same league as 1 of the greats.....its real simple this is not science