Better Diss on 1.30.16 Meek vs Drake (WWE 2k16 Match inside)

[The_Jackal]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

you kno wats funny these niggas dont understan where not going hard for meek where goibg hard no homo hip-hop these niggaa bending over backwards for a nigga who wont defend himself from being pissed on

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

never heard this on the ic

or at all in general

 

[EmM HoLLa.]

Bro's.. When discussing the greats.. Or top 5.. Niggaz with Ghost writers are never mentioned.. Snoop, Puff, etc. etc.. Drake was creeping into that conversation.. But now he's disqualified cuz he doesn't write his own raps.. I think this is a simple concept..

We know there are rappers that don't write all their raps.. And those cars have never been considered part of raps elite.. Despite their hit records.. But the elite cats.. You have to write your raps..

Thats it.. End of story... This isn't even debatable..

 

[The_Jackal]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

never heard this on the ic

or at all in general

Not saying on the IG just dust off I think beef 3 lol and you'll see what I mean

 

[blackrain]

Dawg, you are grasping at straws at this point.

When I made that statement, it was in direct response to you talking ambiguously about there being worse shit to be exposed of, implying you were about to get into some extra shit outside of the realm of rap.

I said the craft. Full stop. I didn't pigeon hole what the craft was.

That means your fundamentals from rap ability, to your ability to be able to craft and sell the album. To your ability to battle your peers.

The whole shit with rapping ability taking precedence which Drake is being called out on. The entire craft.

You keep trying to push this to either one end of the spectrum or the other (lyrics OR commercial success). That is not what I've been doing.

Jay is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Nas is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Biggie is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Pac is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Either you genuinely misunderstood me, or your trying to pigeon hole the discussion.

Stop it, B. @ bolded is irrelevent, and your reflecting from the issue at hand. What worse shit? I'm talking about the craft. What exactly is worse then a rapper not writing his own raps in the game of rap.

Your words, no editing. No mention of commercial success, just the ability of a rapper writing all of their own raps. Then I bring up that rappers who we all acknowledge as better MC's than Drake also having had ghostwritten material then you start to mention it's not as big of an impact because Drake has more commercial success. You moved the goal post on your own. I wasn't being ambiguous I was very specific in that there's been worse shit done in rap than having mediocre songs ghostwritten for you. If you're talking about a verse like say Drake's "Aston Martin Music" or "Lord Knows" where it's clear he's trying to flex his ability as an MC that's a big deal. Repeating "10 Bands" for 3 1/2 minutes over a beat really isn't the worst of the worst when it comes to shit that's been ghostwritten in the history of rap. That's what I meant. Shit niggas til this day still accuse Jay of having ghostwriters and stealing Young Chris' whole style during an era where. That to me is a bigger accusation than somebody ghostwriting that bullshit Drake spit.

No nigga, try again. This is not me pigeon holing the discussion into simply lyrics.

The craft encompasses everything. This is simply me stating that the worst shit you can do in said craft is not write your own raps IE do your own work.

Even if that were the case, not all niggas consider Cube, Dre, or Snoop more lyrical then Drake. This goes 10 fold for Snoop and Dre. There isnt a general consensus surrounding that shit at all. Twista is a different story.

You are trying to downplay this shit by calling 10 Bands, Know Yourself ect. mediocre records.

They were the best records on that tape all around.

Runnin through the six with my woes was the tagline of the entire fuckin tape.

You have 0 evidence supporting this shit with Young Chris, and you keep repeating it. The word of mouth surrounding that was minimal at best on top of that. If there was some shred of evidence, it would be bigger then this Drake situation. There isn't though. Drake's shit isn't a damn accusation, it is fact by now.

Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.

In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.

Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.

 

[blackrain]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

never heard this on the ic

or at all in general

Nah that's been discussed before. Some do think Luda won that battle because he got to hear TI verse then respond on the same song. Though Luda does go hard at him on a couple of his intro tracks

 

[TayGettem]

you kno wats funny these niggas dont understan where not going hard for meek where goibg hard no homo hip-hop these niggaa bending over backwards for a nigga who wont defend himself from being pissed on

No we (well I understand) y'all ain't going hard for meek....its just y'all keep repeating yaselves in every Drake thread..... Like we get it he has ghostwritters his no longer considered in the topic of elite....but what are y'all tryin to prove by repeating this shit.... The only ones still sayin Drake is elite is Stans and we all know u can't change a stans mind.....so why keep debating shit we already know.....the general notion with the majority on Drake now is ya he has ghostwritters but we still gonna bump his shit....the general notion on hip hop heads is fck Drake....the general notion with stans is we love Drake no matter what.....so why we still tlkin abt it like u really changing something we already know

 

[EmM HoLLa.]

One thing I will say for us older cats that came up in the 90's.. We just gotta let this shit go.. It's a new day.. A new generation... We can't argue with these younger cats cuz their experiences are different from ours.. Example.. If a young nigga say that KD is better than Jordan are we going to argue with the nigga?.. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.. We either need to educate and even with that the impact isn't the same.. (They won't experience shit in real time the way we did.. ) Or just let it go..

I'm feeling like we just need to let it go.. The generation after them will do them niggaz the same way lol..

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

never heard this on the ic

or at all in general

Nah that's been discussed before. Some do think Luda won that battle because he got to hear TI verse then respond on the same song. Though Luda does go hard at him on a couple of his intro tracks

luda would of destroyed him regardless tho

 

[gee757]

Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.

In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.

Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.

Fuk 2 here goes 4 reference trax 4 u...





3 strikes & ya out

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

thought there where only 3 reference tracks jesus christ

 

[sr_the_freshman]

Dawg, you are grasping at straws at this point.

When I made that statement, it was in direct response to you talking ambiguously about there being worse shit to be exposed of, implying you were about to get into some extra shit outside of the realm of rap.

I said the craft. Full stop. I didn't pigeon hole what the craft was.

That means your fundamentals from rap ability, to your ability to be able to craft and sell the album. To your ability to battle your peers.

The whole shit with rapping ability taking precedence which Drake is being called out on. The entire craft.

You keep trying to push this to either one end of the spectrum or the other (lyrics OR commercial success). That is not what I've been doing.

Jay is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Nas is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Biggie is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Pac is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Either you genuinely misunderstood me, or your trying to pigeon hole the discussion.

Stop it, B. @ bolded is irrelevent, and your reflecting from the issue at hand. What worse shit? I'm talking about the craft. What exactly is worse then a rapper not writing his own raps in the game of rap.

Your words, no editing. No mention of commercial success, just the ability of a rapper writing all of their own raps. Then I bring up that rappers who we all acknowledge as better MC's than Drake also having had ghostwritten material then you start to mention it's not as big of an impact because Drake has more commercial success. You moved the goal post on your own. I wasn't being ambiguous I was very specific in that there's been worse shit done in rap than having mediocre songs ghostwritten for you. If you're talking about a verse like say Drake's "Aston Martin Music" or "Lord Knows" where it's clear he's trying to flex his ability as an MC that's a big deal. Repeating "10 Bands" for 3 1/2 minutes over a beat really isn't the worst of the worst when it comes to shit that's been ghostwritten in the history of rap. That's what I meant. Shit niggas til this day still accuse Jay of having ghostwriters and stealing Young Chris' whole style during an era where. That to me is a bigger accusation than somebody ghostwriting that bullshit Drake spit.

No nigga, try again. This is not me pigeon holing the discussion into simply lyrics.

The craft encompasses everything. This is simply me stating that the worst shit you can do in said craft is not write your own raps IE do your own work.

Even if that were the case, not all niggas consider Cube, Dre, or Snoop more lyrical then Drake. This goes 10 fold for Snoop and Dre. There isnt a general consensus surrounding that shit at all. Twista is a different story.

You are trying to downplay this shit by calling 10 Bands, Know Yourself ect. mediocre records.

They were the best records on that tape all around.

Runnin through the six with my woes was the tagline of the entire fuckin tape.

You have 0 evidence supporting this shit with Young Chris, and you keep repeating it. The word of mouth surrounding that was minimal at best on top of that. If there was some shred of evidence, it would be bigger then this Drake situation. There isn't though. Drake's shit isn't a damn accusation, it is fact by now.

Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.

In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.

Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.

Your talking around in circles and grasping at straws fam. The shit that your trying to introduce into the argument is 1000% irrelevent to the point.

1. Nobody considered that Young Chris shit stickable. It has never been taken seriously.

2. Songs he just "threw out"? That is a bullshit cop out if I ever saw one. If we have several reference records, we don't need the records to be specific to the ones in which he's flexin' over wax. Even if that were the case, Know Yourself is one of those records. He says something to the effect of "I'm the best" in everyone of these damn records.

You know how that should go

Don't fuck with them niggas, they too irrational, whoa

This is that nasty flow

Top boy in this shit, I'm so international



These aren't just bullshit records that are thrown together. Know Yourself was considered a hit single.

3. Your implication that Snoop and Cube's influence on the game outweighs Drake still does not take into consideration that they are not considered top 10. They are not considered lyricists. They are terrible examples. Drake is considered to be more lyrical then Snoop and Cube. That is a general consensus. From a cultural standpoint? Yeah NWA did that. But Cube STILL isnt considered top 10.

Twista? No, niggas don't quite consider Drake a better spitter then Twista. But their is a recognition that Twista also lacks the mainstream appeal needed by a large margin for him to be considered GOAT. Drake, with the lyrical ability niggas assumed he had was able to just get by to be considered top 10 until he was found to have ghostwriters.

If your going to try to debate me with this shit, then your gonna need to bring better overall rappers into the discussion because Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 generally. They don't possess that lyrical prowess to be considered as such.

 

[bck145]

Dawg, you are grasping at straws at this point.

When I made that statement, it was in direct response to you talking ambiguously about there being worse shit to be exposed of, implying you were about to get into some extra shit outside of the realm of rap.

I said the craft. Full stop. I didn't pigeon hole what the craft was.

That means your fundamentals from rap ability, to your ability to be able to craft and sell the album. To your ability to battle your peers.

The whole shit with rapping ability taking precedence which Drake is being called out on. The entire craft.

You keep trying to push this to either one end of the spectrum or the other (lyrics OR commercial success). That is not what I've been doing.

Jay is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Nas is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Biggie is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Pac is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Either you genuinely misunderstood me, or your trying to pigeon hole the discussion.

Stop it, B. @ bolded is irrelevent, and your reflecting from the issue at hand. What worse shit? I'm talking about the craft. What exactly is worse then a rapper not writing his own raps in the game of rap.

Your words, no editing. No mention of commercial success, just the ability of a rapper writing all of their own raps. Then I bring up that rappers who we all acknowledge as better MC's than Drake also having had ghostwritten material then you start to mention it's not as big of an impact because Drake has more commercial success. You moved the goal post on your own. I wasn't being ambiguous I was very specific in that there's been worse shit done in rap than having mediocre songs ghostwritten for you. If you're talking about a verse like say Drake's "Aston Martin Music" or "Lord Knows" where it's clear he's trying to flex his ability as an MC that's a big deal. Repeating "10 Bands" for 3 1/2 minutes over a beat really isn't the worst of the worst when it comes to shit that's been ghostwritten in the history of rap. That's what I meant. Shit niggas til this day still accuse Jay of having ghostwriters and stealing Young Chris' whole style during an era where. That to me is a bigger accusation than somebody ghostwriting that bullshit Drake spit.

No nigga, try again. This is not me pigeon holing the discussion into simply lyrics.

The craft encompasses everything. This is simply me stating that the worst shit you can do in said craft is not write your own raps IE do your own work.

Even if that were the case, not all niggas consider Cube, Dre, or Snoop more lyrical then Drake. This goes 10 fold for Snoop and Dre. There isnt a general consensus surrounding that shit at all. Twista is a different story.

You are trying to downplay this shit by calling 10 Bands, Know Yourself ect. mediocre records.

They were the best records on that tape all around.

Runnin through the six with my woes was the tagline of the entire fuckin tape.

You have 0 evidence supporting this shit with Young Chris, and you keep repeating it. The word of mouth surrounding that was minimal at best on top of that. If there was some shred of evidence, it would be bigger then this Drake situation. There isn't though. Drake's shit isn't a damn accusation, it is fact by now.

Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.

In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.

Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.

Your talking around in circles and grasping at straws fam. The shit that your trying to introduce into the argument is 1000% irrelevent to the point.

1. Nobody considered that Young Chris shit stickable. It has never been taken seriously.

2. Songs he just "threw out"? That is a bullshit cop out if I ever saw one. If we have several reference records, we don't need the records to be specific to the ones in which he's flexin' over wax. Even if that were the case, Know Yourself is one of those records. He says something to the effect of "I'm the best" in everyone of these damn records.

You know how that should go

Don't fuck with them niggas, they too irrational, whoa

This is that nasty flow

Top boy in this shit, I'm so international



These aren't just bullshit records that are thrown together. Know Yourself was considered a hit single.

3. Your implication that Snoop and Cube's influence on the game outweighs Drake still does not take into consideration that they are not considered top 10. They are not considered lyricists. They are terrible examples. Drake is considered to be more lyrical then Snoop and Cube. That is a general consensus. From a cultural standpoint? Yeah NWA did that. But Cube STILL isnt considered top 10.

Twista? No, niggas don't quite consider Drake a better spitter then Twista. But their is a recognition that Twista also lacks the mainstream appeal needed by a large margin for him to be considered GOAT. Drake, with the lyrical ability niggas assumed he had was able to just get by to be considered top 10 until he was found to have ghostwriters.

If your going to try to debate me with this shit, then your gonna need to bring better overall rappers into the discussion because Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 generally. They don't possess that lyrical prowess to be considered as such.

are your retarded or something, cube's considered top 10 and even top 5 by a majority of hip hop fans, snoop has a top 10 hip hop album ever....both are considered better lyricists than drake....stop stanning, you look stupid

go back and listen to nwa and cube's first three albums, doesn't seem your knowledgeable enough to have a legit conversation with statements like that

 

[sr_the_freshman]

One thing I will say for us older cats that came up in the 90's.. We just gotta let this shit go.. It's a new day.. A new generation... We can't argue with these younger cats cuz their experiences are different from ours.. Example.. If a young nigga say that KD is better than Jordan are we going to argue with the nigga?.. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.. We either need to educate and even with that the impact isn't the same.. (They won't experience shit in real time the way we did.. ) Or just let it go..

I'm feeling like we just need to let it go.. The generation after them will do them niggaz the same way lol..

My nigga if KD used fuckin' steroids, damn right Im'a argue with a nigga who declares KD better then Jordan.

@bck145 I'm not even gonna entertain that bullshit. No the fuck Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 by general consensus. Snoop especially. Cube is debatable. How the fuck am I stanning? For who?

 

[bck145]

One thing I will say for us older cats that came up in the 90's.. We just gotta let this shit go.. It's a new day.. A new generation... We can't argue with these younger cats cuz their experiences are different from ours.. Example.. If a young nigga say that KD is better than Jordan are we going to argue with the nigga?.. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.. We either need to educate and even with that the impact isn't the same.. (They won't experience shit in real time the way we did.. ) Or just let it go..

I'm feeling like we just need to let it go.. The generation after them will do them niggaz the same way lol..

My nigga if KD used fuckin' steroids, damn right Im'a argue with a nigga who declares KD better then Jordan.

@bck145 I'm not even gonna entertain that bullshit. No the fuck Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 by general consensus. Snoop especially. Cube is debatable. How the fuck am I stanning? For who?

you've been stanning for meek the whole time.....making stupid points...and cube not top 10 that takes the cake, you could stop responding to me because after a comment like that it's a wrap for you bud

3 straight classic albums...90% of rappers don't even have 3 classic albums period #caseclosed

 

[EmM HoLLa.]

One thing I will say for us older cats that came up in the 90's.. We just gotta let this shit go.. It's a new day.. A new generation... We can't argue with these younger cats cuz their experiences are different from ours.. Example.. If a young nigga say that KD is better than Jordan are we going to argue with the nigga?.. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.. We either need to educate and even with that the impact isn't the same.. (They won't experience shit in real time the way we did.. ) Or just let it go..

I'm feeling like we just need to let it go.. The generation after them will do them niggaz the same way lol..

My nigga if KD used fuckin' steroids, damn right Im'a argue with a nigga who declares KD better then Jordan.

@bck145 I'm not even gonna entertain that bullshit. No the fuck Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 by general consensus. Snoop especially. Cube is debatable. How the fuck am I stanning? For who?

The steroid argument is a valid one.. These cats just don't know any better.. If you go on the youtube comments for 10 bands.. Some young kid is saying Drake mentioned QM in the credits so how is that a Ghost writer.. These cats just don't get it.. And when you think critically how can we expect them to get it.. It's a new day bro..

 

[blackrain]

Dawg, you are grasping at straws at this point.

When I made that statement, it was in direct response to you talking ambiguously about there being worse shit to be exposed of, implying you were about to get into some extra shit outside of the realm of rap.

I said the craft. Full stop. I didn't pigeon hole what the craft was.

That means your fundamentals from rap ability, to your ability to be able to craft and sell the album. To your ability to battle your peers.

The whole shit with rapping ability taking precedence which Drake is being called out on. The entire craft.

You keep trying to push this to either one end of the spectrum or the other (lyrics OR commercial success). That is not what I've been doing.

Jay is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Nas is top 5 because he can rap, and has had commercial success.

Biggie is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Pac is top 5 because he can rap and has had commercial success.

Either you genuinely misunderstood me, or your trying to pigeon hole the discussion.

Stop it, B. @ bolded is irrelevent, and your reflecting from the issue at hand. What worse shit? I'm talking about the craft. What exactly is worse then a rapper not writing his own raps in the game of rap.

Your words, no editing. No mention of commercial success, just the ability of a rapper writing all of their own raps. Then I bring up that rappers who we all acknowledge as better MC's than Drake also having had ghostwritten material then you start to mention it's not as big of an impact because Drake has more commercial success. You moved the goal post on your own. I wasn't being ambiguous I was very specific in that there's been worse shit done in rap than having mediocre songs ghostwritten for you. If you're talking about a verse like say Drake's "Aston Martin Music" or "Lord Knows" where it's clear he's trying to flex his ability as an MC that's a big deal. Repeating "10 Bands" for 3 1/2 minutes over a beat really isn't the worst of the worst when it comes to shit that's been ghostwritten in the history of rap. That's what I meant. Shit niggas til this day still accuse Jay of having ghostwriters and stealing Young Chris' whole style during an era where. That to me is a bigger accusation than somebody ghostwriting that bullshit Drake spit.

No nigga, try again. This is not me pigeon holing the discussion into simply lyrics.

The craft encompasses everything. This is simply me stating that the worst shit you can do in said craft is not write your own raps IE do your own work.

Even if that were the case, not all niggas consider Cube, Dre, or Snoop more lyrical then Drake. This goes 10 fold for Snoop and Dre. There isnt a general consensus surrounding that shit at all. Twista is a different story.

You are trying to downplay this shit by calling 10 Bands, Know Yourself ect. mediocre records.

They were the best records on that tape all around.

Runnin through the six with my woes was the tagline of the entire fuckin tape.

You have 0 evidence supporting this shit with Young Chris, and you keep repeating it. The word of mouth surrounding that was minimal at best on top of that. If there was some shred of evidence, it would be bigger then this Drake situation. There isn't though. Drake's shit isn't a damn accusation, it is fact by now.

Why do keep mentioning Dre as a rapper? I clearly said I wasn't mentioning him as a rapper just what the album credits showed for other rappers on his album. I mentioned the Young Chris shit once and I brought it up to show how simply an accusation without any tangible proof can stick with any rapper once it's put out there which was my initial point when I said I'd like to see evidence that the songs where Drake is actually trying to flex his lyrical ability were ghostwritten and not just bullshit he threw out...I'm starting to think you're not even reading just responding.

In terms of impacts on hip hop culture and the art of being an MC Cube and Snoops influence far surpasses what Drake has done since 2009. Twista til this day still got people arguing over just how he's able to put together those bars he spit on Adrenaline Rush. So even using an all encompassing definition of a rapper beyond ability to write lyrics the only thing Drake has for sure over them is mere popularity at the moment. Everything else is up for debate.

Also who cares If those were the most popular songs from the tape? That don't make them shits better just means the best songs on a mediocre project were 2 or 3 mediocre songs. I'm not downplaying having a ghostwriter being a major offense I'm saying I need more than 2 reference records to show ALL his shit has been ghostwritten not just bullshit that really don't take much effort to put together.

Your talking around in circles and grasping at straws fam. The shit that your trying to introduce into the argument is 1000% irrelevent to the point.

1. Nobody considered that Young Chris shit stickable. It has never been taken seriously.

2. Songs he just "threw out"? That is a bullshit cop out if I ever saw one. If we have several reference records, we don't need the records to be specific to the ones in which he's flexin' over wax. Even if that were the case, Know Yourself is one of those records. He says something to the effect of "I'm the best" in everyone of these damn records.

You know how that should go

Don't fuck with them niggas, they too irrational, whoa

This is that nasty flow

Top boy in this shit, I'm so international



These aren't just bullshit records that are thrown together. Know Yourself was considered a hit single.

3. Your implication that Snoop and Cube's influence on the game outweighs Drake still does not take into consideration that they are not considered top 10. They are not considered lyricists. They are terrible examples. Drake is considered to be more lyrical then Snoop and Cube. That is a general consensus. From a cultural standpoint? Yeah NWA did that. But Cube STILL isnt considered top 10.

Twista? No, niggas don't quite consider Drake a better spitter then Twista. But their is a recognition that Twista also lacks the mainstream appeal needed by a large margin for him to be considered GOAT. Drake, with the lyrical ability niggas assumed he had was able to just get by to be considered top 10 until he was found to have ghostwriters.

If your going to try to debate me with this shit, then your gonna need to bring better overall rappers into the discussion because Cube and Snoop are not considered top 10 generally. They don't possess that lyrical prowess to be considered as such.

Drake more lyrical than Cube? Ok...If you really think that you're entitled to it. Majority would disagree though....and Drake was not a top 10 all time MC before the ghostwriting shit. Was he considered good and possibly one day a great? Yeah but already putting him in that category was premature as fuck.

At the end all I said was in order to call his entire catalogue into question then show full proof he had writers for the songs that, according to you, put him already in a top 10 discussion. Especially since multiple people, including people with no reason to cape for Drake like Just Blaze said about watching Drake write Lord Knows, have all said they've seen him write those same verses that some now question. If asking for more proof than the songs that mainly show a dumbed down version of lyrics weren't ghostwritten is too much then I don't know what else to say.

 

[achewon87]

Wonder how it all works then...

Anthony Palman, also known as “Hush” and “Young Tony” is a songwriter who received a lot of credit on Drake’s second and third studio albums.
http://genius.com/artists/Anthony-palman

 

[The_Jackal]

The funny thing is majority of niggas say Ludacris cheated by having that promoter let him hear TI verse on Stomp but now shit is all good

never heard this on the ic

or at all in general

Nah that's been discussed before. Some do think Luda won that battle because he got to hear TI verse then respond on the same song. Though Luda does go hard at him on a couple of his intro tracks

luda would of destroyed him regardless tho

Nah I agree with that just saying niggas been saying Luda "cheated" but all of a sudden for meek it's all good. Niggas are like sandals flip flop everyday