Batman vs. Superman is the stupidest idea, ever.

[Broddie]

And shit honestly, with his powerset Superman should damn-near be God mode. That doesn't make for good stories

...and yet the greatest Superman stories ever were written when he was portrayed at his strongest. If anything when Superman's power set was dumbed down and marvelized by John Byrne in the 80's it lead to many of the worst stories in the character's 75 year history.

God like powers shouldn't handicap imaginative writers, they should supplement them and challenge them. Which is why Elliot S! Maggin and Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are amongst the greatest Superman writers of the past 40 years because they understood that. They always wrote about a SUPER man not a farm boy. Thankfully New 52 writers understand that too which is why in 2 years we've had the best depiction of Superman in years popping up on the regular.

 

[Broddie]

LOL @ the tears of Batman stans. Nigglet I guarantee you I own more Batman comics than you've ever read. It has nothing to do with being "anti Batman" and everything to do with being logical. A human being can't take on an alien, THE most powerful alien around at that and expect to fairly win. Lex Luthor's intellect >>>> Batman's and even he has a hard time figuring how to get rid of Superman.

Superman being a brute in his earlier days is even more evidence towards the fact that Batman wouldn't be able to touch him. More evidence that Superman just always holds back in their confrontation. That up there is him with lesser resolve than you're used to reading him with and he's destroying fucking Green Lantern constructs like it's nothing. Green Lantern constructs >>>>>>>>> batarangs.

You people can't even plausibly explain how Batman could take on Superman without any contigency's. That's kind of the threadstarter's point. It's the dumbest match up in the world only made possible because both characters are the most popular characters in their publishers deck not because it has any real semblance of logic.

@bolded- Nope, don't care.

@ Everything else- First off at the core, Batman is contingency plans. Everybody and they mama know that in a straight up one-on-one fight Batman would lose horribly to Superman due to superspeed and super strength. Thing is, like Lex Luthor, Batman doesn't always have to resort to physical tactics, which is why both have been able to get the upperhand on Supes at one point or another in time.

No one coming into this movie honestly is gonna sit there and think that human ass Batman is gonna Mayweather Superman. We all expect him to come through with some crazy ass plan or suit like he did in Dark Knight Returns. Everyone with knowledge recognizes that the ONLY way Batman is beating Superman or damn near anyone of his villains for the most part is with a contingency plan. That's a given. That's what makes him who he is. No need to get all butthurt about it pull the " I've been reading comics longer than you so I know everything" card bro. Batman is that fucking dude right now. Get over it. Niggas hate John Cena(horrible comparison, Batman actually takes a loss from time to time) and still watch wrestling. You'll be iight if Bats gets a dub over superman or saves the world one more time.

Yes because I was the one who grasped at straws and brought up some "anti Batman" agenda that doesn't even exist to try to justify people not praising Batman like he was Jesus. Follow your own advice there chief. You're in here caping for Batman like your name was Catwoman.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Dude everytime Batman's beaten superman it's been with some sort of trickery. Nobody thinks Superman is getting beat by Batman without some gimmick going on. That's Batman's thing though. There's always a plan, a trick, a gimmick, something that'll get his ass out the fire. That's why all that prep-time stuff is so prevalent because if you let Batman get the blueprint to you, it's over from now on. He'll always have something in his back pocket to incapacitate you. He's the ultimate planner basically.

Plus you gotta add in the fact that Batman is willing to take it to places Superman ain't so...*shrugs*. I do agree with the way they'd have to market the movie shit though because it will make it look more evenly matched than it should be, but in terms of comics remember why Batman is the only one Superman trusts to take him out if he ever goes rogue.

 

[ShencotheMC]

Pretty much the essence of batman

 

[jaxn]

the only way Batman beats Superman is if he has kryptonite available and even then that's not a guarantee. The only way Bruce last 5 secs with Superman is because Supes allows him to. DC goes out of their way to pub up Bats and that's how you get debates such as these. DC should go ahead and create a story saying that Bruce is actually a meta human and has been all of this time. That's the only way to make sense of his character

 

[Sour-Cream]

Bruce is smarter than Lex for the record.

 

[Broddie]

Bruce is smarter than Lex for the record.

No he isn't.

 

[jaxn]

Bruce is smarter than Lex for the record.

No he isn't.

right. I don't think he's smarter than Mr. Terrific nor the Atom either

 

[Knives Amilli]

Bruce is smarter than Lex for the record.

No he isn't.

right. I don't think he's smarter than Mr. Terrific nor the Atom either

Bruce is the Ryu/mario of the DCU. Well rounded in every possible discipline/science/skill. Good at everything, expert at nothing.

Lex is natural genius with zero scruples. In recent iterations, he is probably the greatest scientific mind in the modern day DCU (Brainiac 5 has the crown overall). Bruce is tactical, Lex is Machiavellian and treacherous to a Judas like extent.

Ted Kord was the Tony Stark of the DCU. The greatest engineer the old DCU had.

Mr. Terrific excels as a scientist/doctor/engineer hybrid. What differentiates him from Bruce imo is that he's naturally gifted at picking up skills.

An incorrect assumption people make about Bruce is that he's a genius/prodigy/athletic freak. NO.

The entire point of Batman is that one tragic incident pushed a regular joe into working harder than what most people think is humanly possible. Thats also the tragedy of Batman; that incident also created an obsession that can never be ceased. And turned all of that unlocked potential into weapons used for a neverending war.

Luthor is the tragedy of wasted genius in lieu of being an egomaniac. Bruce is the story of a human reaching the greatest potential just to fight a war he cannot win.

 

[Knives Amilli]

Dude everytime Batman's beaten superman it's been with some sort of trickery. Nobody thinks Superman is getting beat by Batman without some gimmick going on. That's Batman's thing though. There's always a plan, a trick, a gimmick, something that'll get his ass out the fire. That's why all that prep-time stuff is so prevalent because if you let Batman get the blueprint to you, it's over from now on. He'll always have something in his back pocket to incapacitate you. He's the ultimate planner basically.

Plus you gotta add in the fact that Batman is willing to take it to places Superman ain't so...*shrugs*. I do agree with the way they'd have to market the movie shit though because it will make it look more evenly matched than it should be, but in terms of comics remember why Batman is the only one Superman trusts to take him out if he ever goes rogue.

To me man, its like why even go there?

We've never seen a worlds finest movie. Shit we've never even seen a studio even try to do something of this caliber.

Im sorry but Avengers doesn't count. Half that fucking team cant carry solo books/movies and arent as big as icons as Superman/Batman. And also with Superman/Batman, you gain the ability to really contrast the themes of both characters. It might sound like i'm obsessed with this point, but understand that character/theme deconstruction is what made the Nolan trilogy so widely acclaimed. "The Dark Knight" imo was the most effective piece of work at illustrating so many themes of Batman that i've ever seen.

So to see that vision, that attention to detail in a possible Superman/Batman movie is exciting. But that fact that its "Batman vs. Superman" doesn't bode well.

And you know whats the worst part? Because the comics are always clamoring to catch that lightning, this shit is going to carry over into the comics (actually DC has a Batfamiy vs. Superfamily x-over planned for 2014). Worst case scenario is that Batman vs. Superman becomes a more popular trope than it already is.

 

[Knives Amilli]

And shit honestly, with his powerset Superman should damn-near be God mode. That doesn't make for good stories

...and yet the greatest Superman stories ever were written when he was portrayed at his strongest. If anything when Superman's power set was dumbed down and marvelized by John Byrne in the 80's it lead to many of the worst stories in the character's 75 year history.

God like powers shouldn't handicap imaginative writers, they should supplement them and challenge them. Which is why Elliot S! Maggin and Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are amongst the greatest Superman writers of the past 40 years because they understood that. They always wrote about a SUPER man not a farm boy. Thankfully New 52 writers understand that too which is why in 2 years we've had the best depiction of Superman in years popping up on the regular.

I think the Superman books are more exciting than theyve been in awhile.

But i hate nu52 Superman. With a passion. DC is so fucking focused on selling the "strange visitor from another planet" angle this time around, they've taken alotta the humanity out of Superman in the process (no pun intended).

Superman comes across as cold, distant, and overtly aggressive now (especially under Geoff Johns's pen). Doesn't feel like the guy that was rescuing cats outta trees. And the new costume looks way too militaristic now. Yeah it looks less ridiculous than the old costume, (though i think the efforts to ensure its "trukk not munky" "ARMUR NOT SPANDECKS!!! are a bit much (S-shield shaped cutouts on the sleeve? Really?) ) but still it just feels too "ready for battle" instead of warm fuzzy superhero (which Superman should be).

 

[Broddie]

And shit honestly, with his powerset Superman should damn-near be God mode. That doesn't make for good stories

...and yet the greatest Superman stories ever were written when he was portrayed at his strongest. If anything when Superman's power set was dumbed down and marvelized by John Byrne in the 80's it lead to many of the worst stories in the character's 75 year history.

God like powers shouldn't handicap imaginative writers, they should supplement them and challenge them. Which is why Elliot S! Maggin and Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are amongst the greatest Superman writers of the past 40 years because they understood that. They always wrote about a SUPER man not a farm boy. Thankfully New 52 writers understand that too which is why in 2 years we've had the best depiction of Superman in years popping up on the regular.

I think the Superman books are more exciting than theyve been in awhile.

But i hate nu52 Superman. With a passion. DC is so fucking focused on selling the "strange visitor from another planet" angle this time around, they've taken alotta the humanity out of Superman in the process (no pun intended).

In the past 2 years Superman has experienced jealousy over Lois' boyfriend, quit his job because it was going against his personal ethics, mourned his parents, accepted and tried to guide his long lost cousin despite their differences, questioned his duality, felt like an outsider, and more recently shown concern that Lois now knows his real ID etc. his humanity is STILL very much intact. So he no longer goes to whine to his parents when shit gets thick? tough luck, that comes with being a grown man. He now has to take personal accountability and responsibility on his own without guiding hands just like in the silver and bronze age. That level of independence is as human as it gets.

Superman comes across as cold, distant, and overtly aggressive now (especially under Geoff Johns's pen).

How so? the only time Johns himself painted him as more aggressive was when his book was taking place 5 years ago during the first arc. It's been established since Morrison's arc that in his early days this Superman was a bit more arrogant and unapologetic guy who stands against any injustices whether corrupt politicians or wife beaters and not just master criminals and always takes initiative.

Sure that's more of a "hot head" than what he evolved into but it's nothing alien to the character of Superman at all. It's JUST like the original character by Siegel and Schuster. This is actually the closest to the Golden Age Superman DC has ever gotten in decades which means it's much truer to the core of the concept than any previous depiction.

Even then not being a pushover does not equate to being "overtly aggressive". There's nothing cold or distant about a guy who constantly goes out of his way to look after the well being of those he cares about and stands up for his belief. If anything that's being warm and emotive. Which is what has been presented in both Superman and Action Comics (I don't read that Snyder/Lee book) during the last 2 years.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Batman the GOAT

 

[jaxn]

Bruce is smarter than Lex for the record.

No he isn't.

right. I don't think he's smarter than Mr. Terrific nor the Atom either

Bruce is the Ryu/mario of the DCU. Well rounded in every possible discipline/science/skill. Good at everything, expert at nothing.

Lex is natural genius with zero scruples. In recent iterations, he is probably the greatest scientific mind in the modern day DCU (Brainiac 5 has the crown overall). Bruce is tactical, Lex is Machiavellian and treacherous to a Judas like extent.

Ted Kord was the Tony Stark of the DCU. The greatest engineer the old DCU had.

Mr. Terrific excels as a scientist/doctor/engineer hybrid. What differentiates him from Bruce imo is that he's naturally gifted at picking up skills.

An incorrect assumption people make about Bruce is that he's a genius/prodigy/athletic freak. NO.

The entire point of Batman is that one tragic incident pushed a regular joe into working harder than what most people think is humanly possible. Thats also the tragedy of Batman; that incident also created an obsession that can never be ceased. And turned all of that unlocked potential into weapons used for a neverending war.

Luthor is the tragedy of wasted genius in lieu of being an egomaniac. Bruce is the story of a human reaching the greatest potential just to fight a war he cannot win.

I have pretty good knowledge about Batman and his origins, but thanks for the write up

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

im not a big comic fan but just from knowing the powers of superman, i dont see how batman wins. Like superman should be able to move faster than batmans brain sends the signal the his muscles to move

 

[earth two superman]

i dont mind the Vs theme. They're setting up like a championship fight. Ali Vs Frazier, Tyson vs Holyfield, etc. I would prefer Worlds FInest too, but only comic book fans know that term. if Vs gets more people talking about it, all the better.

 

[soul rattler]

Let's hope it's a bait and switch and the moment film promotion begins, it will be called "World's Finest".

I don't think anyone will have a problem with that.

 

[akomax]

basically ts is caping for superman ?!

 

[willhustle]

Yeah I'm not crazy about the title myself knowing that somewhere during the movie they are going to team up to go against said villains from Superman & Batman's rogue's gallery. I wish this was a prequel to a Justice League movie more than Man of Steel sequel but M.O.S. in essence planted the seeds for the plot of this movie imo.

 

[iron man1]

Yeah I'm not crazy about the title myself knowing that somewhere during the movie they are going to team up to go against said villains from Superman & Batman's rogue's gallery. I wish this was a prequel to a Justice League movie more than Man of Steel sequel but M.O.S. in essence planted the seeds for the plot of this movie imo.

Honestly this is looking less like a man of steel movie and more of a justice league prequel with Batman, wonder woman, and nightwing maybe getting a mention as well. Not to mention I've been hearing that DC is thinking about putting arrow from the show into the movie universe but who knows until we get some real information.