Batman vs. Captain America

[Sour-Cream]

Bruh, daredevil is highly overrated. He got beat by gambit. Black Panther shits on DD easily. This is a no brainer for cap. Everyone walks on daredevil including Spiderman and Luke Cage.

What gives Deathstroke the edge over cap is that he uses 90% of his brain so he's much smarter. What gives bats the edge is that he's smarter. He has gadgets for all his enemies (even superman). He may not be able to fight cap hand to hand solo for a long bout but bats is gonna take him out before cap beats him. It's still a close match up, don't see it being a sweep. Didn't batman beat wolverine in a crossover? Batman vs iron man is a better match up imo. I believe batman is up there as a top 10 in the smartest dc characters, cap isn't top 10 in marvel though. I dunno, I could be wrong.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Spiderman >>

 

[DrMindbender122]

Cats are sleeping on Daredevil. Dude is a blind regular Joe whooping ass for decades.

No African herbs, no super soldier serum, no X-gene. Just straight up martial arts, that sonar ability and heightened senses and the ability to "read" most opponent's biorhythms in order to anticipate their next moves before they even make them.

In Streets of Poison, he wasn't at his best; he had just got fucked up in a different storyline. If he were at 100%, he would've had a better showing against Cap. He still would've lost (cuz Cap was high offa drugs reacting bad with the super soldier serum and was on some Fuck Boy shit), but he would've faired much better.

For those who don't know, read Frank Miller's run. His battles with the Kingpin, Elektra and Bullseye are classics.

Also, read that Shadow Land run.

 

[DrMindbender122]

Cats are sleeping on Daredevil. Dude is a blind regular Joe whooping ass for decades.

No African herbs, no super soldier serum, no X-gene. Just straight up martial arts, that sonar ability and heightened senses and the ability to "read" most opponent's biorhythms in order to anticipate their next moves before they even make them.

In Streets of Poison, he wasn't at his best; he had just got fucked up in a different storyline. If he were at 100%, he would've had a better showing against Cap. He still would've lost (cuz Cap was high offa drugs reacting bad with the super soldier serum and was on some Fuck Boy shit), but he would've faired much better.

For those who don't know, read Frank Miller's run. His battles with the Kingpin, Elektra and Bullseye are classics.

Also, read that Shadow Land run.

Examples of Cap's said Fuck Boy shit:

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.

Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.

Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does.

So, my way of looking at things which is basically to take what is stated about and established for the character is "flawed," but you're way of basing everything on a couple high level feats is right? Ok, I don't know how long you've been reading comics, but I'm sure you know that feats go up and down like roller coasters. In one comic a character can be chucking cars like ninja stars, and in another comic that same character can be struggling to lift an enemy that barely ways a ton. That's how it goes. Unless you've got Batman performing some feats and have proof that Cap couldn't do the same easier, you're not definitively proving anything.

Just look at Batman's rogue gallery. Hardly any of them have super powers. Hell, Bane is probably one of his strongest enemies. He's just a roided up human and he damn near killed Batman. Pretty much everyone Cap fights, is superhuman.

As for Deathstroke, everything you're saying in favor of him can be said for Cap. Cap has school pretty much all the Avengers at some point or the other. So again, your example of how well he does against JL members is meaningless. Hell, forget the Avengers. Cap has gone into the Cosmic arena and been revered for his prowess. When you have the respect of members of alien races that were space faring while humans were still trying to figure out fire, you're doing something right.

 

[jaxn]

LOL. Cap beat the memory outta Daredevil during "Streets of Poison".

One of my favorite arcs when I was a youngin'.

thanks!! for correcting the arc name

 

[jaxn]

Bruh, daredevil is highly overrated. He got beat by gambit. Black Panther shits on DD easily. This is a no brainer for cap. Everyone walks on daredevil including Spiderman and Luke Cage.

What gives Deathstroke the edge over cap is that he uses 90% of his brain so he's much smarter. What gives bats the edge is that he's smarter. He has gadgets for all his enemies (even superman). He may not be able to fight cap hand to hand solo for a long bout but bats is gonna take him out before cap beats him. It's still a close match up, don't see it being a sweep. Didn't batman beat wolverine in a crossover? Batman vs iron man is a better match up imo. I believe batman is up there as a top 10 in the smartest dc characters, cap isn't top 10 in marvel though. I dunno, I could be wrong.

Ironman is a bad match up for Batman and being smart doesn't give you wins. Ask Dr. Doom

 

[dalyricalbandit]

lets not forget Bane wore out Bats before fighting and breaking Batman's back

 

[DarkRaiden]

Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.

Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.

Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does.

So, my way of looking at things which is basically to take what is stated about and established for the character is "flawed," but you're way of basing everything on a couple high level feats is right? Ok, I don't know how long you've been reading comics, but I'm sure you know that feats go up and down like roller coasters. In one comic a character can be chucking cars like ninja stars, and in another comic that same character can be struggling to lift an enemy that barely ways a ton. That's how it goes. Unless you've got Batman performing some feats and have proof that Cap couldn't do the same easier, you're not definitively proving anything.

Just look at Batman's rogue gallery. Hardly any of them have super powers. Hell, Bane is probably one of his strongest enemies. He's just a roided up human and he damn near killed Batman. Pretty much everyone Cap fights, is superhuman.

As for Deathstroke, everything you're saying in favor of him can be said for Cap. Cap has school pretty much all the Avengers at some point or the other. So again, your example of how well he does against JL members is meaningless. Hell, forget the Avengers. Cap has gone into the Cosmic arena and been revered for his prowess. When you have the respect of members of alien races that were space faring while humans were still trying to figure out fire, you're doing something right.

Cap has schooled Thor? I mean I've seen him beat Hulk (complete PIS), Iron Man was also PIS, and Spidey didn't fight back, never seen him even take Luke Cage, and he's worse than Wolverine and they've made that prety clear. Difference is Deathstroke stomps most street levels period. And his JL/Teen Titan feats are consistent and happen nearly every time.

As for Bats, punching bazooka proof doors and missile proof doors are mid-high level at best. his real high levels are PIS and don't make sense. Bane is strong AND a great fighter which is why he's a good villain. Same reason Cap has problems with Red Skull and other street levelers.

But mainly, Bats has 1 ton+ strength feats (that Cap can match, but doesn't tend to exceed) and they both have similar speed feats. They're nearly identical.

 

[gns]

Wtf does PIS mean?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Come on with the Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS) arguments. That doesn't change what happened, and you can just as easily make that same argument about Deathstroke beating the JLS.

 

[Sour-Cream]

lets not forget Bane wore out Bats before fighting and breaking Batman's back

CS, batman fought multiple villains before Bane, he was already old and tired. Bane capitalized off that but batman has whooped his ass multiple times. Batman has also beat killer croc and taken out the League of Assassins.

Caps strength does not equate to him beating Bats. Bats is a trained assassin.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Daredevil has taken out the Hand and actually became the leader for a while. That's as analogous a feat as you can get in these kind of discussions and it didn't stop Cap from whooping his ass.

 

[Sour-Cream]

Black Panther is Marvel's Batman and has taken out Cap in the past. Both of them are pretty much damn near equal because of Black Panther being a master tactician and high level genius. He's also embarrassed Wolverine in the past just by out-skilling him.


So basically if Black Panther and Cap are a close match with Cap having super strength, Batman is up there too.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Black Panther is like Batman in characterization, but Black Panther has superhuman abilities just like Cap, so physically he'd be above Batman too.

 

[jaxn]

Except they do. Cap has done nothing to exceed Batman's "punching through bazooka proof glass" or "kicking a guy through a missile proof door" thing. Cap has never shown to be faster than Batman in any way either. Batman and Cap have similar stats when you look at what they've done, not the flawed way you look at them and their "character concepts". Batman is very superhuman, just like Cap.

Deathstroke hitting Flash, dodging Starfire's blasts, easily beating people who are physically superior to him and giving it to high tiers has A LOT to do with how he'll handle Cap. It shows how fast he is, how good he is at what he does, the arsenal he has at his disposal. Also you're forgetting that his healing factor and durability are leagues above Caps.

Deathstroke has 5-10 ton feats, Cap stays closer to 2 like Batman does.

So, my way of looking at things which is basically to take what is stated about and established for the character is "flawed," but you're way of basing everything on a couple high level feats is right? Ok, I don't know how long you've been reading comics, but I'm sure you know that feats go up and down like roller coasters. In one comic a character can be chucking cars like ninja stars, and in another comic that same character can be struggling to lift an enemy that barely ways a ton. That's how it goes. Unless you've got Batman performing some feats and have proof that Cap couldn't do the same easier, you're not definitively proving anything.

Just look at Batman's rogue gallery. Hardly any of them have super powers. Hell, Bane is probably one of his strongest enemies. He's just a roided up human and he damn near killed Batman. Pretty much everyone Cap fights, is superhuman.

As for Deathstroke, everything you're saying in favor of him can be said for Cap. Cap has school pretty much all the Avengers at some point or the other. So again, your example of how well he does against JL members is meaningless. Hell, forget the Avengers. Cap has gone into the Cosmic arena and been revered for his prowess. When you have the respect of members of alien races that were space faring while humans were still trying to figure out fire, you're doing something right.

Cap has schooled Thor? I mean I've seen him beat Hulk (complete PIS), Iron Man was also PIS, and Spidey didn't fight back, never seen him even take Luke Cage, and he's worse than Wolverine and they've made that prety clear. Difference is Deathstroke stomps most street levels period. And his JL/Teen Titan feats are consistent and happen nearly every time.

As for Bats, punching bazooka proof doors and missile proof doors are mid-high level at best. his real high levels are PIS and don't make sense. Bane is strong AND a great fighter which is why he's a good villain. Same reason Cap has problems with Red Skull and other street levelers.

But mainly, Bats has 1 ton+ strength feats (that Cap can match, but doesn't tend to exceed) and they both have similar speed feats. They're nearly identical.

What street level characters does Cap have problems with? Red Skull is also superhuman. Batman doesn't have any feats that suggest he can lift 1 ton nor has he shown anything to suggest he's on par with Cap physically.

 

[jaxn]

lets not forget Bane wore out Bats before fighting and breaking Batman's back

CS, batman fought multiple villains before Bane, he was already old and tired. Bane capitalized off that but batman has whooped his ass multiple times. Batman has also beat killer croc and taken out the League of Assassins.

Caps strength does not equate to him beating Bats. Bats is a trained assassin.

And Cap isn't? It's not just about his strength and speed and physical stats that trumps Batman..he's also a better fighter than Batman. Cap's rogue's gallery consists of mostly superhuman villians..He would beat the brakes off of Killer Croc or Bane.

 

[jaxn]

Black Panther is Marvel's Batman and has taken out Cap in the past. Both of them are pretty much damn near equal because of Black Panther being a master tactician and high level genius. He's also embarrassed Wolverine in the past just by out-skilling him.


So basically if Black Panther and Cap are a close match with Cap having super strength, Batman is up there too.

Actually Black Panther is also >>> Batman. BP and Cap are both superhuman characters. I don't see why this is hard to accept. Cap has the super soldier serum coarsing through his veins while, BP (the former BP, since BP is even more powerful now), ate the heart shape herb to gain his physical stats. They aren't just regular human beings like Batman.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Lol @ deathstroke constantly beating flash...Nigga please!

 

[evoljeanyes]

Panther, Logan, Deathstroke, Cap are all above Batman...they all have strength reflex over Batman, they fight just as well, give or take. Cap has much much much better feats than Batman. If Batman met cap in an alley he would not leave that alley.