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damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
zzombie;8086937 said:we all know that this society is against us so why should we makes excuses for the people that willingly pay into the hands of the enemy????? that's fucking stupid. A portion of the black community must just be fucking stupid.
and fucking meeting in the middle with idiots
Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
damobb2deep;8086950 said:zzombie;8086937 said:we all know that this society is against us so why should we makes excuses for the people that willingly pay into the hands of the enemy????? that's fucking stupid. A portion of the black community must just be fucking stupid.
and fucking meeting in the middle with idiots
shyts not going to change then... so you just wasting your time... energy and bytchin for no reason...
zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
damobb2deep;8086965 said:zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
lol do you know the real murder inc. was jews right..
Stiff;8083060 said:And I fully expect somebody to come in and retort with their life story about how they grew up on the West side of Whogivesashitville and how everybody they ever loved was killed in a drive-by or is doing 30 life sentences and they had to duck bullets on their way to school every day but still managed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make something of themselves.That's good for you, congratulations but ain't nobody tryna hear that shit b. The fact of the matter is that if you're born in certain areas you have to work 30 times as hard to get half as far as the people from the other side of town. Odds to succeed aren't in people's favor so there's alot of failures.
manofmorehouse;8086955 said:There seems to be this thought that because people brought drugs into our communities, because we don't manufacture guns, etc.that we're supposed to just take them. Again, I uprew u in south central la. IT'S nothing cool about 76th and crenshaw. The high school I went to was littered with teachers that didn't give a fuck, gangs, etc. But even at that age, life is about choices. I had friends that used to ditch every day to go smoke, or do run outs at liquor stores, etc. I wasn't on that. I had family members lose their lives over bullshit. So I chose differently. Got good grades, went to college. None of the shit was easy, and maybe that's what yall are getting caught up on. Regardeless, if you know nothing else, u should understand that all the decisions u make have consequences. Niggas just always want to blame any and everything on their own failures. "i didn't know stealing this car was wrong, u mean to tell me u can go to jail for selling drugs?? The white man stay with his foot on my neck, if I was in the illuminati my life would be better". Whatever u have to tell yourself to feel better about the decisions u make go ahead. Then, once u make it back to the real world, tell me how that works out for u. I honestly blame single parent households that coddle young black men. Niggas work ethic is pathetic now. I don't know about yall but my parents and grandparents and every other black person when I was growing up to old me I'd have to work harder than whites to get ahead. So why the fuck are yall acting so surprised now?? Buy I'm the ignorant one?? Lmao ok buddy
Stiff;8086966 said:zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
You're better than this. We're going to act like the circumstances surrounding the creation of Jewish Ghettoes were similar to those surrounding the creation of the Black Ghetto? Nah b…context is crucial.
zzombie;8086986 said:Stiff;8086966 said:zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
You're better than this. We're going to act like the circumstances surrounding the creation of Jewish Ghettoes were similar to those surrounding the creation of the Black Ghetto? Nah b…context is crucial.
they are very similar both groups were shitted on for hundreds of years and made outcasts from mainstream society the jews responded differently from us we have allowed this society to dishonor us and grind us into the dust.
except it so we can move pass it, as long as other black people make excuses for the failures our community produces we will never rise out of that dust. yes we know the system is against us but that's the whole point, it's the enemy it's our job to find a way to beat the enemy not cry about him winning.
zzombie;8086963 said:damobb2deep;8086950 said:zzombie;8086937 said:we all know that this society is against us so why should we makes excuses for the people that willingly pay into the hands of the enemy????? that's fucking stupid. A portion of the black community must just be fucking stupid.
and fucking meeting in the middle with idiots
shyts not going to change then... so you just wasting your time... energy and bytchin for no reason...
NO things can change but first people like you have to stop making excuses for these losers not rising to the occasion.
Stiff;8086997 said:zzombie;8086986 said:Stiff;8086966 said:zzombie;8086957 said:Stiff;8086945 said:damobb2deep;8086909 said:blacktux;8086447 said:@manofmorehouse brother thank you for speaking on behalf of us that still have pride despite the conditions we face.
Some of yall should be ashamed of yourself to really believe a white hand has to move for change or reform to happen within our communities.
threads like this never seem to amaze me... both sides have valid points but niggas on the "blacks gotta do better" side will not admit that the system is set up to go against us... yet the people on the other side will not take responsibility for their actions... both sides are too stubborn to meet in the middle... and that's the real reason our community is the way it is...
It's kind of this snobbery that exists amongst some Black people that's being shown here..they have this mindset "well I made it so everybody should make it" without realizing that for a Black person from a poor Black neighborhood to succeed the odds are against them..it's very possible..but the odds are against them..and intentionally so. So now I don't have pride because I'm interesting in improving those odds?
I happen to believe that Black children are just as capable of success as any other group of children..they just need a shot. It ain't about "hand outs from the white man" , or "victim mentality" and all these other laughable strawmans they keep coming up with.. it's about acknowledging that society created the mess..so society has a role in cleaning it up. Black people absolutely have work to do on ourselves…but do you think that if the world had told jews "yeah the holocaust was kind of bad but it's time to get over that and pull yourselves up"..and then systemically launched campaigns to stymie their progression..and they had unemployment rates that dwarfed Great Depression numbers...that Jews wouldn't be out here in their own ghettos right now shooting each other up the same way?
The "solution" that y'all are coming up with for crime in our communities is basically "hey, cut that shit out". Some of us like to believe that there are deeper root issues that need to be acknowledged and addressed on a large scale in order to progress as a people.
the thing about it is that those jews used to be in those ghettos before ww2 and they did not act the way we act today.
You're better than this. We're going to act like the circumstances surrounding the creation of Jewish Ghettoes were similar to those surrounding the creation of the Black Ghetto? Nah b…context is crucial.
they are very similar both groups were shitted on for hundreds of years and made outcasts from mainstream society the jews responded differently from us we have allowed this society to dishonor us and grind us into the dust.
except it so we can move pass it, as long as other black people make excuses for the failures our community produces we will never rise out of that dust. yes we know the system is against us but that's the whole point, it's the enemy it's our job to find a way to beat the enemy not cry about him winning.
The difference is one group had its wrongs righted…the other group had its wrongs compounded. To say that Blacks are to blame for the failures of our community is to say that Blacks are inferior because other groups got wronged similarly but they were able to overcome because they were stronger. Ain't with it. Jews didn't prosper because they were stronger..they prospered because their battle wasn't nearly as uphill.