Ayo, Y'all Know Bill and Hillary Been Killing People Since the 80s?

[riddlerap]

thanks for ruining House of Cards :'(

 

[KingFreeman]

thanks for ruining House of Cards :'(

If that ruined anything you late as fuck. That's on you. Show is crack.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

thanks for ruining House of Cards :'(

It's bout to be season 4 bruh. If you've seen at least the 1st it shouldn't be a shock.

But if it is

 

[Stiff]

When you say things like "I don't really believe in conspiracy theories" you're basically saying you only give credence to something after mainstream media (corporations) tells you it's true....kind of setting yourself up to be lied to or in the dark don't you think?

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Murder at 1600 all over again

 

[janklow]

The list I saw from a few years ago had about 2 dozen people on it. I didn't believe it then. I do now that I watch Scandal

pretty sure there's a point where they basically copied 50% of the list and made in a Bush Body Count list

conspiracy theorists these days, i tell you...

 

[janklow]

Not conspiracies, but truths. Those of us who are 30+ know about these.

fun fact: i am 30+

plus, doing the whole "those of us in the know know about this" thing is basically saying "CONSPIRACY THEORY AHOY *siren noise*"

When you say things like "I don't really believe in conspiracy theories" you're basically saying you only give credence to something after mainstream media (corporations) tells you it's true....kind of setting yourself up to be lied to or in the dark don't you think?

i think it's not mainstream media cosigns i want, but factual support

 

[janklow]

FINE LET'S DO THE SNOPES THING

Ron Brown

Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary

Died: May 3, 1996

Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated publicly his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify. The very next day, Ron Brown's personal lawyer was murdered in a drive-by shooting. A few days later, the Air Traffic Controller who had been in charge during the aircraft crash was found dead and declared a suicide.

"Ron Brown and 34 others were killed in a plane crash in Croatia on 3 April 1996. The plane slammed into a mountain while on landing approach. There were no survivors.

A lot has been made of an x-ray of Brown's skull showing what looks like a round entry wound. Closer examination of Brown's skull by military officials revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound.

Simply imagining a scenario under which Ron Brown could have been shot takes one into the realm of the absurd. Was he shot in the head during the flight, in full view of thirty-four other witnesses? (If so, how did the shooters get off the plane?) Did the killers shoot him before the flight, then bundle his body into a seat (just like Weekend at Bernie's) and hope nobody noticed the gaping hole in his head? Or did Croatian commandos fortuitously appear on the scene to scale a mountain and pump a bullet into the head of an already-dead plane crash victim?

An exhaustive Air Force investigation of the crash found that pilot error was to blame:

The aircrew made errors while planning and executing the mishap flight, which, when combined, were a cause of the mishap. During mission planning, the crew's review of the Dubrovnik approach failed to determine that it required two automatic direction finders, or ADFs, and that it could not be flown with the single ADF onboard their aircraft. Additionally, the crew improperly flight planned their route which added 15 minutes to their flight time. The pilots rushed their approach and did not properly configure the aircraft for landing prior to commencing the final segment of the approach. They crossed the final approach fix flying at 80 knots above final approach speed, and without clearance from the tower.

As a result of the rushed approach, the late configuration, and a radio call from a pilot on the ground, the crew was distracted from adequately monitoring the final approach. The pilots flew a course 9 degrees left of the correct course. They also failed to identify the missed approach point and to execute a timely missed approach.

Suzanne Coleman

Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general of Arkansas.

Died: February 15, 1977

Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy allowed. Was 7 months pregnant at time of her death. She had told friends it was Bill Clinton's child. (See Danny Williams). She was 26 at the time of her death.

"At the time of Susan Coleman's suicide, Bill Clinton was her law professor. In 1992 an overzealous supporter of George Bush hired investigators to probe this girl's 1977 suicide, and they found no evidence that the two had an affair. It was an old rumor and a baseless one, and even a determined attempt at muckraking turned up nothing to substantiate it."

Kathy Ferguson

Witness

Died: May 10, 1994

Kathy Ferguson supposedly committed "suicide" May 10,1994 when she shot herself in her living room. Kathy's ex husband was Danny Ferguson, who was the Arkansas trooper who said he escorted Paula Jones to Bill Clinton's hotel room. Kathy often told friends and co-workers about how Bill had gotten Danny to bring women to him and stand watch while they had sex. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones's sexual harassment suit. Kathy Ferguson was a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.

Oddly, next to Kathy's body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere.

"Kathy Ferguson killed herself with a gunshot to the right temple on 11 May 1994 at the home of her boyfriend, Bill Shelton. Their relationship had fallen on hard times, with each accusing the other of having been unfaithful. Ferguson left behind a suicide note that read: "I can't stay here any longer. Things will never be the same for us. I can't take that." Close by was another note from Shelton questioning her relationship with another man, which Ferguson's daughter said her mother had been upset over.

We found no mention of packed suitcases in any of the reports about Ferguson's death, but even if there were, it wouldn't be the least bit surprising. Is it so unusual that a woman might be thinking of moving out of the house of a boyfriend who had quarreled with her and challenged her fidelity?"

 

[janklow]

Vincent Foster

Deputy White House Counsel

Died: July 21, 1993

Found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Washington, DC, of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The "suicide" note, (leaked despite official efforts to keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.

The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. For one thing, neither Foster's fingerprints or blood were on the gun he supposedly inserted into his mouth and fired. There was no blood on Foster's hands.

Foster was also from Hope, Ark., like Clinton, and also worked for the Rose Law firm. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death. Foster had been called to testify to Congress about the records Hillary refused to turn over. Another possible motive for the murder relates to the Clinton Presidential Blind Trust, being prepared by Foster, but six months late. Testimony during the Whitewater hearings suggestsd the trust was fraudulent, with the Clintons retaining control over much of their finances, in order to profits from inside information.

Recently, the signed report of M.E. Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives, proving that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck.

Finally, an FBI memo surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informed the FBI that there was NO exit wound.

"This laundry list of deaths always refers to someone taking his life as "ruled a suicide," thus implying another conclusion of equal likelihood was capriciously dismissed by someone who had the power to do so. From here on, read "ruled a suicide" as "an investigation was carried out, arriving at this as the only reasonable conclusion."

White House deputy counsel Vince Foster committed suicide on the night of 20 July 1993 by shooting himself once in the head, a day after he contacted his doctor about his depression. A note in the form of a draft resignation letter was found in the bottom of his briefcase a week after his death. (Note that this letter was not, as is often claimed, a "suicide note"; it was Foster's outline for a letter of resignation.) Foster cited negative Wall Street Journal editorials about him, as well as the much-criticized role of the counsel's office in the controversial firing of seven White House travel office workers.

On 10 October 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr released his report on the investigation into Foster's death, the third such investigation (after ones conducted by the coroner and Starr's predecessor, Robert B. Fiske) of the matter. The 114-page summary of a three-year investigation concluded that Foster shot himself with the pistol discovered in his right hand. There was no sign of a struggle, nor any evidence he'd been drugged or intoxicated or that his body had been moved.

If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the investigation prematurely. Or are we to believe Kenneth Starr is part of the cover-up, too? And if we buy into this conspiracy theory, what are we expected to believe? That a group of professional killers capable of furtively carrying out dozens of murders all over the world shot Vince Foster, then clumsily dumped him in a park (after he had bled out), planted a gun he didn't own in his hand (without bothering to press his fingerprints onto it), amateurishly forged a suicide note (in several different handwritings), then expected the nation would believe his death was a suicide?"

Kevin Ives & Don Henry

Witnesses

Died: August 23, 1987

Initial cause of death was claimed to be the result of passing out on a railroad track in Arkansas after smoking twenty marijuana cigarettes. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak, and supported by Sheriff Jim Steed, whose "thorough" investigation of the crime scene left one of the boy's foot sitting in the open for two days! In April 1988, Kevin's body was exhumed, and another autopsy was performed, this one by Atlanta medical examiner Dr. Joseph Burton who discovered that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don Henry's body was exhumed and discovered to have been stabbed in the back prior to being placed on the tracks. Governor Bill Clinton excused Fahmy Malek's "errors" saying that Malek was "tired and stressed out." Reports indicate that Ives & Henry might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug operation, specifically a drop site in the area of Bauxite and Alexander, Arkansas. The police chief of Alexander, John Brown, acknowledged he obtained a taped confession from one of the murderers of the two boys, which was suppressed at the request of the FBI!

Jean Duffey headed up Arkansas' 7th District drug task force in 1990. She was never allowed to conduct a thorough investigation of drug running in Mena or any possible connection to the train deaths. Her task force and a federal grand jury were shut down after they started examining corruption involving public officials.

Dan Harmon was a local government official, the prosecuting attorney for Saline, Grant, and Hot Springs counties in 1979 and 1980 and then again from 1991 through 1996. He was convicted in June of 1997 on drug, racketeering, and extortion charges and has started serving eight years in prison. In January 1991, long before his drug offenses became public knowledge, Harmon convinced a judge to subpoena evidence obtained by Jean Duffey's task force -- evidence gathered against him and other public officials. Ms. Duffey refused to honor the subpoena, fearing for the lives of witnesses (many of whom did turn up dead) and fled the state when a warrant was issued for her arrest.

"Henry and Ives were run over by a train on 23 Aug 1987. Dr. Fahmy Malak, Arkansas' former state medical examiner, ruled the deaths accidental, saying the teens fell asleep on the tracks after smoking marijuana. A 1988 Saline County grand jury determined the boys were murdered and their bodies afterwards laid on the tracks, but no other conclusions were reached and no indictments were returned.

A number of Malak's determinations had been challenged and overturned during his career. He certainly wasn't always a conscientious medical examiner, and his Ives and Henry rulings were only two of many such he botched.

Getting back to the real meat of who killed the boys, we find nothing that ties Ives and Henry to Clinton. Though various of these lists will claim the boys accidentally stumbled onto a "protected" drug drop and were killed for it, there's no reason to believe even that. In a 25 May 1990 hearing before U.S. Magistrate Henry Jones Jr., Katherine Brightop said her ex-boyfriend Paul William Criswell told her he and three other men were involved in the teenagers' deaths. Brightop said Criswell told her the boys tried to steal cocaine from Callaway's home and they were caught and beaten to death before their bodies were placed on the tracks."

 

[janklow]

Mary 'Caity' Mahoney

White House Intern

Died: July 1997

An attractive 25-year-old woman, Mary was a former White House Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown.

"Former White House intern Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, manager of a Georgetown Starbucks, was killed along with two co-workers (Emory Allen Evans, 25, and Aaron David Goodrich, 18) on 6 July 1997 during a robbery of the shop. In March 1999, Carl Derek Havord Cooper (29) of Washington was arrested and charged with these murders.

Yes, it is unusual that three employees were killed in the course of a robbery during which nothing was taken. According to Cooper's 26 April 2000 guilty plea (he received life with no hope of parole), he went to the Starbucks to rob the place, figuring the receipts from the July 4 weekend would make for a fat take. He came in after closing, waved a .38, and ordered all three Starbucks employees into the back room. Once there, Mahoney made a run for it after Cooper fired a warning shot into the ceiling. She was ordered back to the room, but then went for the gun. Cooper shot her, then afterwards shot the other two employees. He left empty-handed, afraid the shots had attracted police attention. As regrettable as these three deaths were, this was nothing but a case of a robbery gone wrong.

And, right away, we have come to the first big lie of the "Clinton Body Count" list: Any unexplained death can automatically be attributed to President Clinton by inventing a connection between him and the victim. Mary Mahoney did once work as an intern at the White House, but so have hundreds of other people who are all still alive. There is no credible reason why, of all the interns who have served in the Clinton White House, Mahoney alone would be the target of a Clinton-directed killing. (Contrary to public perception, very few interns work in the West Wing of the White House or have any contact with the President. The closest most interns get to the chief executive is a single brief handshake or group photo.)

The putative reason offered for Mahoney's slaying, that she was about to testify about sexual harrassment in the White House, was a lie. This absurd justification apparently sprang from a hint dropped by Mike Isikoff of Newsweek just before the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke that a "former White House staffer" with the initial "M" was about to talk about her affair with Clinton. We all know now, of course, that the "staffer" referred to was Monica Lewinsky, not Mary Mahoney. The conspiracy buffs maintained that White House hit men rushed out, willy-nilly, and gunned down the first female ex-intern they could find whose name began with "M.""

John Augustus Wilson

Former Washington DC Council member

Died: May 18, 1993

Wilson claimed to have info on Whitewater, a political controversy that began with the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s, and was willing to talk. Found hanged. Declared a suicide.

"John Wilson was the chairman of the District of Columbia Council, and his suicide was far from "very suspicious": Wilson had a long history of depression, was wrestling with marital problems, and had tried to kill himself on at least four other occasions. He finally succeeded on 19 May 1993. Upon his death, Wilson's wife said, "[His] depression was an inherited problem; that he was able to contribute so much over the years in the face of his disability was a miracle." Police said that he did not leave a note and that there were no signs of foul play.

Wilson had absolutely nothing in common with Clinton other than that they worked in the same city (i.e., Washington, D.C.). The claim that Wilson had anything to do with the Whitewater real estate controversy is laughable."

 

[ThaNubianGod]

Not conspiracies, but truths. Those of us who are 30+ know about these.

fun fact: i am 30+

plus, doing the whole "those of us in the know know about this" thing is basically saying "CONSPIRACY THEORY AHOY *siren noise*"

All you're telling me is that you were paying attention to the World in your younger days. I worked campaign staffs in college. I saw and heard many things.

If you really don't realize the Clintons are corrupted, then you're blind. I see you trying to refute their crimes in this thread, and you're doing nothing but looking foolish

 

[layup23]

as long as it doesn't effect me i don't care

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Bruh this some fascinating stuff. Ill mess around and read stuff like this all day. Good looks man

i thought he made this song

 

[BlevlandBoyBool]

you niggas is coons cooning for the clintons bunch of edomites

 

[janklow]

If you really don't realize the Clintons are corrupted, then you're blind.

...when did i say the Clintons aren't corrupt? let me refer you back to my original post in this thread:

"as much as i despise the Clintons..."

the fact that i don't believe all this noise doesn't mean i don't think both Clintons are massively corrupt members of the establishment.

I see you trying to refute their crimes in this thread, and you're doing nothing but looking foolish

not sure that's actually the case since all i'm really trying to do is point out the... questionable nature of tying every last thing to a vast Bill Clinton Conspiracy

 

[Swiffness!]

Meanwhile............................

 

[mc317]

James "Dewey" Milam

Witness to Mena drug operation and Henry/Ives murders

Died: 1989

Milam was decapitated. Clinton's notorious state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to an ulcer, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.

Lmfao, the dog ate his head? Thats the best they could come up with

 

[mc317]

as much as i despise the Clintons, let's not go down the conspiracy rabbit hole like this

Ron brown and foster shit is true though.

 

[BlevlandBoyBool]

you niggas is coons cooning for the clintons bunch of edomites

 

[janklow]

Ron brown and foster shit is true though.

i doubt the Ron Brown shit is true for reasons given in this thread. Foster... well, i understand why people find it suspicious, but i don't concur.

but if the list was just Foster? wouldn't be nearly as easy to argue it was full of nonsense.