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Cool story bruh
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Ayo Keep It Trill: Sideline Story Is Proof Positive Of The Importance Of A Exec Prod.
thatni99ajahmal
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So you didnt get the direction the cd was going in??
There is only one song that doesnt really fit in and thats "Mr Nice Watch" which featured Jay-Z..
There is only one song that doesnt really fit in and thats "Mr Nice Watch" which featured Jay-Z..
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bless the child
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Really aint feeling the album anyway. I guess I have to give it a listen a few more times.
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thehonorable
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What is the direction?
It feels like its all over the place.
If he had some people behind...he could have made a better album.
People sleep on what Executive Producers and proper A&R can do in terms of crafting an album. Its about making an experience...not just some good songs.
It feels like its all over the place.
If he had some people behind...he could have made a better album.
People sleep on what Executive Producers and proper A&R can do in terms of crafting an album. Its about making an experience...not just some good songs.
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5th Letter
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In the mainstream it ain't about a carefully crafted album anymore. Today people holla at the hottest producers and put together a bunch of singles.
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The album is actually very cohesive. If you listen to the entire album from front to back, and you listen to Cole in his interviews...the album not only makes sense but it flows well. The point of the album is to be his personal story. It's him giving you his autobiography...from Sideline, to Starter, to Star. Every song fits and that's because he DIDN'T have a bunch of people with their hands in his project telling him what type of song he needed to make. He wanted to do it on his own and Jay gave him the space to do that. You guys overrate the "Executive Producer" and all of these people that have their hands in these records that many of you claim aren't as good as the artists mixtapes that they put out. I always see a bunch of folks saying how the album is never as good as the mixtape and that's because there are no Executive Producers and A&R reps on the mixtapes, just the true artist. Cole was able to keep this album true to himself and what he wanted to do because he didn't have to succumb to label pressures.
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thehonorable
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dawriter;3430653 said:The album is actually very cohesive. If you listen to the entire album from front to back, and you listen to Cole in his interviews...the album not only makes sense but it flows well. The point of the album is to be his personal story. It's him giving you his autobiography...from Sideline, to Starter, to Star. Every song fits and that's because he DIDN'T have a bunch of people with their hands in his project telling him what type of song he needed to make. He wanted to do it on his own and Jay gave him the space to do that. You guys overrate the "Executive Producer" and all of these people that have their hands in these records that many of you claim aren't as good as the artists mixtapes that they put out. I always see a bunch of folks saying how the album is never as good as the mixtape and that's because there are no Executive Producers and A&R reps on the mixtapes, just the true artist. Cole was able to keep this album true to himself and what he wanted to do because he didn't have to succumb to label pressures.
He picked the right songs. He didnt pick the proper placement. He also didn't cut things up the way they should be.
No one... not one great album ever didn't have a great Exec producer helming it from the other side. You need someone who is away from the product to get an idea of where the cohesion is.
He goes from tlaking about being signed, to getting chicks, to lusting after chicks, to after sex...to a million other things.
It aint a biography...it comes off like he tried in a wierd way to mimic the Miseducation of Lauren Hill and just couldnt get it 100% right.
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thehonorable;3430898 said:He picked the right songs. He didnt pick the proper placement. He also didn't cut things up the way they should be.
No one... not one great album ever didn't have a great Exec producer helming it from the other side. You need someone who is away from the product to get an idea of where the cohesion is.
He goes from tlaking about being signed, to getting chicks, to lusting after chicks, to after sex...to a million other things.
It aint a biography...it comes off like he tried in a wierd way to mimic the Miseducation of Lauren Hill and just couldnt get it 100% right.
I think you are analyzing that which doesn't need so. The album sequencing doesn't work for YOU, but you don't know that he didn't have input on the album sequencing or the songs that were chosen. I would say that he didn't make those decisions because during his listening section before the album, he had only included 13 songs, that's what he thought the album was going to be where it's actually 16 plus the 3 "bonus" tracks. Personally, I think the album is fine as it is...there is such a thing as "over thinking" and trying to make things too perfect...his album flows well and nothing seems out of place. I think thread is more about bashing Jay-Z as an E.P. as opposed to any real beef with J. Cole's album.
And if we are talking about E.P.'s, then what's going on at Cash Money because all of their albums sound schizo...
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thehonorable
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Im not bashing Jay...im making a point.
Jigga warriors always want to come out the woodwork.
Anywho... I have heard a lot of people, even in written reviews, have the feeling that it just didn't feel right. That goes to sequencing and the length and candor of songs. You sound kind of stannish right now actually.
As I stated before:
I dont mind Lights Please and In The Morning being on the album proper. They are good songs. I just think sequencing them different, maybe moving sideline story up earlier int he rotation and using that intro, cutting up the skits to intro into sections of the album (think Late Registration...just not as long as those skits were) and packaging some of those songs to resonate a feeling... I like Who dat coming out of an interlude as well.
It aint the song selection ( Maybe I would have tossed premeditated murder in there) but just sequencing and editing.
THey don't have any classic LP's so the discussion is out of it.
Puff Dame Dash Hip Hop...these are people that can do that.
Jigga warriors always want to come out the woodwork.
Anywho... I have heard a lot of people, even in written reviews, have the feeling that it just didn't feel right. That goes to sequencing and the length and candor of songs. You sound kind of stannish right now actually.
As I stated before:
I dont mind Lights Please and In The Morning being on the album proper. They are good songs. I just think sequencing them different, maybe moving sideline story up earlier int he rotation and using that intro, cutting up the skits to intro into sections of the album (think Late Registration...just not as long as those skits were) and packaging some of those songs to resonate a feeling... I like Who dat coming out of an interlude as well.
It aint the song selection ( Maybe I would have tossed premeditated murder in there) but just sequencing and editing.
THey don't have any classic LP's so the discussion is out of it.
Puff Dame Dash Hip Hop...these are people that can do that.
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thehonorable;3431113 said:Im not bashing Jay...im making a point.
Jigga warriors always want to come out the woodwork.
Anywho... I have heard a lot of people, even in written reviews, have the feeling that it just didn't feel right. That goes to sequencing and the length and candor of songs. You sound kind of stannish right now actually.
As I stated before:
I dont mind Lights Please and In The Morning being on the album proper. They are good songs. I just think sequencing them different, maybe moving sideline story up earlier int he rotation and using that intro, cutting up the skits to intro into sections of the album (think Late Registration...just not as long as those skits were) and packaging some of those songs to resonate a feeling... I like Who dat coming out of an interlude as well.
It aint the song selection ( Maybe I would have tossed premeditated murder in there) but just sequencing and editing.
THey don't have any classic LP's so the discussion is out of it.
Puff Dame Dash Hip Hop...these are people that can do that.
I sound "stanish" because I don't agree with you? I just think you're wrong. And what reviews have you read that said the "sequencing" of the album seems off? I haven't read any reviews that have said that. Neither of the Allhiphop reviews say that so I'm trying to understand what you're basing this whole "sequencing" theory on. And I disagree that Dame is one of the best Executive Producers ever. What are you basing that off of, The College Dropout? One album? And Dame was never an Executive Producer on his own, it was always him, Biggs and Jay so you can't give him credit for being an E.P. without including the other two. This album isn't all over the place, it's a solid album and his sound stays consistent throughout. Just don't agree with you. I think if there was a different E.P. they would have made Cole use different producers and make more radio friendly songs rather than let him remain true to himself.
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thehonorable
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I stated that you sounded stannish because you are saying that the album doesn't need any changes. That would mean you think that its close to a perfect album.
AHH Reviews aint been credible since 09.
I am basing that off of all the classic ROC releases ( CD,Late Registration,Blueprint,Reasonable Doubt, B.Coming)
Jay has said multiple times that he stayed out of that stuff. Does his tenure @ Def Jam and Roc Nation releases not prove this?
This album reaks of amateur placement.
I think they would have agreed the song placement was fine, but making some small changes to create an album experience.He just made a CD full of decent to good songs.
AHH Reviews aint been credible since 09.
I am basing that off of all the classic ROC releases ( CD,Late Registration,Blueprint,Reasonable Doubt, B.Coming)
Jay has said multiple times that he stayed out of that stuff. Does his tenure @ Def Jam and Roc Nation releases not prove this?
This album reaks of amateur placement.
I think they would have agreed the song placement was fine, but making some small changes to create an album experience.He just made a CD full of decent to good songs.
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soul rattler
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Who executive produced it?
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EuropeanAndWhite
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well I kinda agree that mr nice watch doesnt fit the album. but overall i think sideline story is MUCH better sequenced and put together than C4. now THAT album is all over the place. wtt wasnt that good either at this category.
as far as judging the body of work from an album point of view: sideline story > c4, wtt, red album.
as far as judging the body of work from an album point of view: sideline story > c4, wtt, red album.
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thehonorable;3436040 said:I stated that you sounded stannish because you are saying that the album doesn't need any changes. That would mean you think that its close to a perfect album.
AHH Reviews aint been credible since 09.
I am basing that off of all the classic ROC releases ( CD,Late Registration,Blueprint,Reasonable Doubt, B.Coming)
Jay has said multiple times that he stayed out of that stuff. Does his tenure @ Def Jam and Roc Nation releases not prove this?
This album reaks of amateur placement.
I think they would have agreed the song placement was fine, but making some small changes to create an album experience.He just made a CD full of decent to good songs.
I hear what you sayin but J. Cole just released his first album that had 19 tracks on it and he had 1 feature (Jay-Z) that rapped a verse on the whole album. He just held this album down by himself and it was his debut album. As much as people wanna clown hip hop today and clown all this trash ass music on the mainstream you got a guy like J. Cole who just released a very very good debut album but peoples excuse for not liking it is because that think it was boring, had no direction, seriously? These new rap fans make me laugh. One minute it's man all this lil wayne, minaj, soulja boy, gucci,etc... is getting tired,corny,annoying...I want some real hip hop back. Then J. Cole drops a gem and now it's oh it's aight but it's missing something or it's boring. Hip Hop fans = most dickriding brain washed fans in music.
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EuropeanAndWhite
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haha yeah. theres a shitload of hypocrites in hiphop, especially online.... poor never satisfied people...
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soul rattler
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Cole World: The Sideline Story
Released September 27, 2011
Recorded 2007–2011
Genre Hip hop
Length 60:00
Label Roc Nation, Columbia
Producer J. Cole (also exec.) Jay-Z (co-exec.) No I.D., Brian Kidd, The University, L&X Music, Canei Finch, Ron Gilmore
Released September 27, 2011
Recorded 2007–2011
Genre Hip hop
Length 60:00
Label Roc Nation, Columbia
Producer J. Cole (also exec.) Jay-Z (co-exec.) No I.D., Brian Kidd, The University, L&X Music, Canei Finch, Ron Gilmore
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thehonorable
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Why are people bringing up LiL Wayne in this thread?
Peoples first movement for any argument is Tha Carter IV...and I think thats even worse than Sideline Story. I swear some of you got to be on J Coles Street team. J Cole didn't even drop the best album on that day....
Anywho, The RED Album is way better sequenced than Sideline Story.
Peoples first movement for any argument is Tha Carter IV...and I think thats even worse than Sideline Story. I swear some of you got to be on J Coles Street team. J Cole didn't even drop the best album on that day....
Anywho, The RED Album is way better sequenced than Sideline Story.
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