Article from a black woman saying "Black Men Are Terrorists" SMH

[The Lonious Monk]

In this click-bait age,in which "hits" = advertisement= which= $$$$$

The more outrageous, provocative and controversial the article/blog/youtube vid......the more people generate

toward them. The easily target is the black community.....men & women

Tommy Sotomayor pretty much perfected this.

These are not just professional trolls...but parasites

Feeding off of animosity ,resentment and frustration within our community, because there IS an audience out there that actually believes the disingenuous crap they spew

Agree to a certain extent

I dont want to just dismiss her as being disingenuous... Because i agree with her assessment that many men including blk men are not receptive or dismissive of causes that women care about

But more then anything else it aeems like she seen an opportunity to further stir the pot for hits and ran with it

The story of the back and forth with the vendor person was petty

The title..

These types of antics aren't doing us any favors

Maybe with the exception of sparking discussion

When the United States labeled middle eastern men as terrorists were they interested in "discussion" or aggressively pursuing a violent course of action?

Exactly.

There is no discussion. Not between black men and women. A terrorist is not someone you want to engage in discourse. A terrorist is an enemy.

So unless i see pushback from black women regarding this article I'm going to assume that they at least silently agree. That will leave no doubt about the conclusion that black females are enemies which you vociferously deny despite evidence to the contrary.

Cosign this, at least in the case of feminists. I wouldn't say the average black woman thinks like this or even knows something like this dumb ass article exists. But if you are a feminist and think shit like this is cool, then you should already know why black men view you as an enemy. And if that's the case, stop playing dumb and acting like you don't understand why black men don't listen to your concerns without antagonism.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

In this click-bait age,in which "hits" = advertisement= which= $$$$$

The more outrageous, provocative and controversial the article/blog/youtube vid......the more people generate

toward them. The easily target is the black community.....men & women

Tommy Sotomayor pretty much perfected this.

These are not just professional trolls...but parasites

Feeding off of animosity ,resentment and frustration within our community, because there IS an audience out there that actually believes the disingenuous crap they spew

Agree to a certain extent

I dont want to just dismiss her as being disingenuous... Because i agree with her assessment that many men including blk men are not receptive or dismissive of causes that women care about

But more then anything else it aeems like she seen an opportunity to further stir the pot for hits and ran with it

The story of the back and forth with the vendor person was petty

The title..

These types of antics aren't doing us any favors

Maybe with the exception of sparking discussion

You don't think views like this and the reticence of women to condemn shit like this is part of the reason for the bold? That's what dudes in here have been trying to trek you.

yes

i have stated as much multiple times

all i can do personally is call ppl out when appropriate

but regardless of the extremest and opportunist do or say, the fact remains our society is a patriarchy ....white male patriarchy specifically

male privilege on it's own does not imply guilt or complicity, it's simply a fact, a thing that exists. a thing that benefits men, especially white men, in US culture and day to day existence

a thing that will continue to exist to the misfortune of women and or blk ppl, unless we address it

complicity arises out of refusing to acknowledge that it exists, or actively or passively acting to perpetuate that imbalance...

unless you want to believe that there is no such thing as male privilege...and by extension white male privilege

if that is the case i'd have to ask why do white males control our economy and our government, and dominate our culture in virtually every corner? are we to assume it's a natural development, due to ....white male supremacy?????

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

 

[The Lonious Monk]

yes

i have stated as much multiple times

all i can do personally is call ppl out when appropriate

but regardless of the extremest and opportunist do or say, the fact remains our society is a patriarchy ....white male patriarchy specifically

male privilege on it's own does not imply guilt or complicity, it's simply a fact, a thing that exists. a thing that benefits men, especially white men, in US culture and day to day existence

a thing that will continue to exist to the misfortune of women and or blk ppl, unless we address it

complicity arises out of refusing to acknowledge that it exists, or actively or passively acting to perpetuate that imbalance...

unless you want to believe that there is no such thing as male privilege...and by extension white male privilege

if that is the case i'd have to ask why do white males control our economy and our government, and dominate our culture in virtually every corner? are we to assume it's a natural development, due to ....white male supremacy?????

That's fair.

Yes, I do believe there is a such thing as male privilege, but I don't believe black males benefit from it anywhere near as black feminists claim. I mean, when we talk about white privilege, we can pull up stats and show how whites are above blacks in most areas even when there is no real reason they should be. It's the opposite when you look at black man vs black woman, so how are we privileged? Because Cornell West gets more attention than some black woman professor you think is just as smart? That's weak, and doesn't even apply to the average black man on the street.

 

[blackrain]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

And you're labeled a weirdo ass sellout from Philly with shitty baby mothers who stunts for the internet until called out...but what's a label really?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

And you're labeled a weirdo ass sellout from Philly with shitty baby mothers who stunts for the internet until called out...but what's a label really?

Feeling A bit hurt?

 

[blackrain]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

And you're labeled a weirdo ass sellout from Philly with shitty baby mothers who stunts for the internet until called out...but what's a label really?

Feeling A bit hurt?

Lol hell no. My life is great

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

And you're labeled a weirdo ass sellout from Philly with shitty baby mothers who stunts for the internet until called out...but what's a label really?

Feeling A bit hurt?

Lol hell no. My life is great

Ok...but why you mad tho?

 

[JokerzWyld]

She obviously doesn't want our attention so I think Black men should ignore her. What say you Black men?

 

[KingFreeman]

Blackrain whats so hard about comin in this thread denouncing what was done wrong to the men and leaving it at that? Instead u deflect to another thread about a girl eye. Perceptions gonna say u dont care about the black men

an thats why hes labeled a lesbian

And you're labeled a weirdo ass sellout from Philly with shitty baby mothers who stunts for the internet until called out...but what's a label really?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

yes

i have stated as much multiple times

all i can do personally is call ppl out when appropriate

but regardless of the extremest and opportunist do or say, the fact remains our society is a patriarchy ....white male patriarchy specifically

male privilege on it's own does not imply guilt or complicity, it's simply a fact, a thing that exists. a thing that benefits men, especially white men, in US culture and day to day existence

a thing that will continue to exist to the misfortune of women and or blk ppl, unless we address it

complicity arises out of refusing to acknowledge that it exists, or actively or passively acting to perpetuate that imbalance...

unless you want to believe that there is no such thing as male privilege...and by extension white male privilege

if that is the case i'd have to ask why do white males control our economy and our government, and dominate our culture in virtually every corner? are we to assume it's a natural development, due to ....white male supremacy?????

That's fair.

Yes, I do believe there is a such thing as male privilege, but I don't believe black males benefit from it anywhere near as black feminists claim. I mean, when we talk about white privilege, we can pull up stats and show how whites are above blacks in most areas even when there is no real reason they should be. It's the opposite when you look at black man vs black woman, so how are we privileged? Because Cornell West gets more attention than some black woman professor you think is just as smart? That's weak, and doesn't even apply to the average black man on the street.

im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege

and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america

it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare

adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood

ppl are more likely to respect your bodily autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can fuck, suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman

and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white

for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled

the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls

we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol

and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....

 

[powerman 5000]

she can feel how ever the fuck she wants to feel, it's completely irrelevant to anything. She look like she got a 5 o'clock shadow.. She might be a dude.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege

and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america

it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare

adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood

ppl are more likely to respect your bodily autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can fuck, suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman

and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white

for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled

the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls

we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol

and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....

You still drumming out antiquated shit.

There are lots of girl toys nowadays that fit the bill for what you're talking about. And they aren't hard to find. I don't buy my girls beauty oriented shit. They doctors bags, scientist kits, explorer sets, etc... The beauty shit is still there, but to act like that's all that's available for girls is disingenuous. Meanwhile, if you go to the boys section, it's still heavily sports and action figure oriented, so I'd say the amount of substance is about equal for both genders.

I'll give you girls being complimented more for their looks. But girls get told their smart or praised when they are good at other things too.

Yes, poor whites struggle, but the privilege is that their struggle isn't usually as bad as the struggle of poor blacks. You can't say that black females struggle more than black males, so that comparison doesn't hold. Again, if black males have some privilege they are lording over females, then we'd see some quantifiable proof of it, but there is none.

lol Ok, the black female rate is the fastest growing. You'd have to basically multiply your incarceration numbers by a factor of 10 before you were catching up to black males, so black males still should be the poster children of the horrors of the criminal justice system. It's not about ignoring black females, it's about prioritizing based on who is being hurt the most. And men in general have it way worse in this area than any women, even black women.

Abortion is always up for debate because it's not just a women's right issue no matter how much you feminist want to classify it as that. You're talking about another human's life. Ignoring that is frankly disgusting. Even if you believe in abortion, at least have the decency to acknowledge that were not just talking about woman's body. We're talking about the life that she carries inside that body and what is done with it.

You going to have to show me some numbers backing the claim about that pay inequality you're talking about because 1) you chicks are good for misrepresenting wage data and 2) the most recent number I've seen say that black women are earning more than black men now.

I'll give you Obama probably not winning if he was a woman.

Anyway, I acknowledge that on a small scale you probably can find advantages that black men have over black women, but there are also advantages black women have over black women (criminal justice system, family court, university admissions, etc...) So again, it's ridiculous for black women to constantly harp black men exerting some kind of oppressive privilege over them.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege

and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america

it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare

adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood

ppl are more likely to respect your bodily autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can fuck, suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman

and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white

for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled

the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls

we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol

and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....

You still drumming out antiquated shit.

There are lots of girl toys nowadays that fit the bill for what you're talking about. And they aren't hard to find. I don't buy my girls beauty oriented shit. They doctors bags, scientist kits, explorer sets, etc... The beauty shit is still there, but to act like that's all that's available for girls is disingenuous. Meanwhile, if you go to the boys section, it's still heavily sports and action figure oriented, so I'd say the amount of substance is about equal for both genders.

I'll give you girls being complimented more for their looks. But girls get told their smart or praised when they are good at other things too.

Yes, poor whites struggle, but the privilege is that their struggle isn't usually as bad as the struggle of poor blacks. You can't say that black females struggle more than black males, so that comparison doesn't hold. Again, if black males have some privilege they are lording over females, then we'd see some quantifiable proof of it, but there is none.

lol Ok, the black female rate is the fastest growing. You'd have to basically multiply your incarceration numbers by a factor of 10 before you were catching up to black males, so black males still should be the poster children of the horrors of the criminal justice system. It's not about ignoring black females, it's about prioritizing based on who is being hurt the most. And men in general have it way worse in this area than any women, even black women.

Abortion is always up for debate because it's not just a women's right issue no matter how much you feminist want to classify it as that. You're talking about another human's life. Ignoring that is frankly disgusting. Even if you believe in abortion, at least have the decency to acknowledge that were not just talking about woman's body. We're talking about the life that she carries inside that body and what is done with it.

You going to have to show me some numbers backing the claim about that pay inequality you're talking about because 1) you chicks are good for misrepresenting wage data and 2) the most recent number I've seen say that black women are earning more than black men now.

I'll give you Obama probably not winning if he was a woman.

Anyway, I acknowledge that on a small scale you probably can find advantages that black men have over black women, but there are also advantages black women have over black women (criminal justice system, family court, university admissions, etc...) So again, it's ridiculous for black women to constantly harp black men exerting some kind of oppressive privilege over them.

In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.

Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.

While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewr...s-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1

According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.

In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women...017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/

Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.

Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp

 

[Koltrain]

Sound like she seeking attention and validation..

 

[Mister B.]

I swear, the black man is THE most hated person on the planet, which is fucked up because we're also the most coveted person on the planet.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.

Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.

While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewr...s-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1

According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.

In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women...017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/

Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.

Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp

Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege

and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america

it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare

adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood

ppl are more likely to respect your bodily autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can fuck, suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman

and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white

for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled

the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls

we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol

and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....

You still drumming out antiquated shit.

There are lots of girl toys nowadays that fit the bill for what you're talking about. And they aren't hard to find. I don't buy my girls beauty oriented shit. They doctors bags, scientist kits, explorer sets, etc... The beauty shit is still there, but to act like that's all that's available for girls is disingenuous. Meanwhile, if you go to the boys section, it's still heavily sports and action figure oriented, so I'd say the amount of substance is about equal for both genders.

I'll give you girls being complimented more for their looks. But girls get told their smart or praised when they are good at other things too.

Yes, poor whites struggle, but the privilege is that their struggle isn't usually as bad as the struggle of poor blacks. You can't say that black females struggle more than black males, so that comparison doesn't hold. Again, if black males have some privilege they are lording over females, then we'd see some quantifiable proof of it, but there is none.

lol Ok, the black female rate is the fastest growing. You'd have to basically multiply your incarceration numbers by a factor of 10 before you were catching up to black males, so black males still should be the poster children of the horrors of the criminal justice system. It's not about ignoring black females, it's about prioritizing based on who is being hurt the most. And men in general have it way worse in this area than any women, even black women.

Abortion is always up for debate because it's not just a women's right issue no matter how much you feminist want to classify it as that. You're talking about another human's life. Ignoring that is frankly disgusting. Even if you believe in abortion, at least have the decency to acknowledge that were not just talking about woman's body. We're talking about the life that she carries inside that body and what is done with it.

You going to have to show me some numbers backing the claim about that pay inequality you're talking about because 1) you chicks are good for misrepresenting wage data and 2) the most recent number I've seen say that black women are earning more than black men now.

I'll give you Obama probably not winning if he was a woman.

Anyway, I acknowledge that on a small scale you probably can find advantages that black men have over black women, but there are also advantages black women have over black women (criminal justice system, family court, university admissions, etc...) So again, it's ridiculous for black women to constantly harp black men exerting some kind of oppressive privilege over them.

In concerns to the abortion debate, i believe not only in the value of life itself but also in the quality of life

To me it is disgusting to force a child into this world who is unwanted. Then what of the women and girls who have died and will die getting back alley abortions or attempt a home remedy? Because that it the alternative. History has shown us regardless of the law women will find a way

U right though the abortion debate with probably go on forever and not without good reason. For some ppl a life hangs in the balance

I'll only add not every one believes life starts at conception. The medical community nor most religions are in agreement or have a good answer

I was more so referring to the ppl who oppose abortion simply to spite women and or because they feel as though its an insult to male authority. Yes these ppl exist

And we cannot underestimate the social and economic benefits of women’s ability to plan whether and when to have children

 

[The Lonious Monk]

im not comparing black males privilege to white male privilege

and no, a person's blackness doesn't totally cancel out the privilege of being born a man in america

it starts from a young age. just think how boy toys typically encourage children to imagine a far greater range of career possibilities and tend to be more educational...while toys considered “girl’s toys” are often limited to beauty, housework and childcare

adults compliment boys more for their abilities rather than their your looks opposed to girls. you’re not taught from a young age that your value is only as good as your appearance. that continues well into adulthood

ppl are more likely to respect your bodily autonomy. women's reproductive rights are always up for debate. and as a man being harassed or sexually assaulted is not a big concern. you can fuck, suck and do whatever without being judged and policed to the same degree as a woman

and no having one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

like poor white folk, for example. just because they struggle financially due in great part to classism doesn't mean that they don't also benefit from being white

for example, blk men are still more likely to earn money than blk women, despite blk women obtaining more college degrees. blk men are promoted more often than blk women. blk men get higher pay rates than their black female counterparts who are equally skilled

the fastest growing incarceration rate is blk women. yet we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, because we haven't thought seriously about whats happening with blk girls

we joke if obama was a few shades darker he wouldn't have won the presidency, but if he were a blk woman you'd think he would have won? no lol

and again one type of privilege doesn’t mean you’re not oppressed in other ways

that said, so this isn't just me playing the oppression olympics. what i'm always argued is our societal expectations of women and men, social conditioning and even our legislative system all work to sustain this construct that places men (specifically white, middle/upper class, straight men) on top....

You still drumming out antiquated shit.

There are lots of girl toys nowadays that fit the bill for what you're talking about. And they aren't hard to find. I don't buy my girls beauty oriented shit. They doctors bags, scientist kits, explorer sets, etc... The beauty shit is still there, but to act like that's all that's available for girls is disingenuous. Meanwhile, if you go to the boys section, it's still heavily sports and action figure oriented, so I'd say the amount of substance is about equal for both genders.

I'll give you girls being complimented more for their looks. But girls get told their smart or praised when they are good at other things too.

Yes, poor whites struggle, but the privilege is that their struggle isn't usually as bad as the struggle of poor blacks. You can't say that black females struggle more than black males, so that comparison doesn't hold. Again, if black males have some privilege they are lording over females, then we'd see some quantifiable proof of it, but there is none.

lol Ok, the black female rate is the fastest growing. You'd have to basically multiply your incarceration numbers by a factor of 10 before you were catching up to black males, so black males still should be the poster children of the horrors of the criminal justice system. It's not about ignoring black females, it's about prioritizing based on who is being hurt the most. And men in general have it way worse in this area than any women, even black women.

Abortion is always up for debate because it's not just a women's right issue no matter how much you feminist want to classify it as that. You're talking about another human's life. Ignoring that is frankly disgusting. Even if you believe in abortion, at least have the decency to acknowledge that were not just talking about woman's body. We're talking about the life that she carries inside that body and what is done with it.

You going to have to show me some numbers backing the claim about that pay inequality you're talking about because 1) you chicks are good for misrepresenting wage data and 2) the most recent number I've seen say that black women are earning more than black men now.

I'll give you Obama probably not winning if he was a woman.

Anyway, I acknowledge that on a small scale you probably can find advantages that black men have over black women, but there are also advantages black women have over black women (criminal justice system, family court, university admissions, etc...) So again, it's ridiculous for black women to constantly harp black men exerting some kind of oppressive privilege over them.

In concerns to the abortion debate, i believe not only in the value of life itself but also in the quality of life

To me it is disgusting to force a child into this world who is unwanted. Then what of the women and girls who have died and will die getting back alley abortions or attempt a home remedy? Because that it the alternative. History has shown us regardless of the law women will find a way

U right though the abortion debate with probably go on forever and not without good reason. For some ppl a life hangs in the balance

I'll only add not every one believes life starts at conception. The medical community nor most religions are in agreement or have a good answer

I was more so referring to the ppl who oppose abortion simply to spite women and or because they feel as though its an insult to male authority. Yes these ppl exist

And we cannot underestimate the social and economic benefits of women’s ability to plan whether and when to have children

I have no problem with that. I don't like abortion, but I'm not completely against it due to the reasons you mentioned. I just don't like when feminists act like the only reason to oppose abortion is to push some patriarchal agenda.

 

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In 2015, average hourly wages for black and Hispanic men were $15 and $14, respectively, compared with $21 for white men. Only the hourly earnings of Asian men ($24) outpaced those of white men.

Among women across all races and ethnicities, hourly earnings lag behind those of white men and men in their own racial or ethnic group. But the hourly earnings of Asian and white women ($18 and $17, respectively) are higher than those of black and Hispanic women ($13 and $12, respectively) – and also higher than those of black and Hispanic men.

While the hourly earnings of white men continue to outpace those of women, all groups of women have made progress in narrowing this wage gap since 1980, reflecting at least in part a significant increase in the education levels and workforce experience of women over time.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewr...s-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/?amp=1

According to the Economic Policy Institute—a nonpartisan think tank focused on including low- and middle-income workers in economic-policy discussions—black women’s salaries are in the unique intersection of race and gender. Even after controlling for education, location and experience, black women are paid 67 cents for every dollar a non-Hispanic white man is paid.

In 1979, even though there was a large gender pay gap, black women earned roughly the same amount as white women. During the intervening 37 years, progress slowed substantially for black women. In 2016, white women earned 76 percent of what white men earned, while black women’s average earnings were 9 points lower.
http://www.epi.org/blog/black-women...017-to-be-paid-the-same-as-white-men-in-2016/

Black and Hispanic women not only made less than their male counterparts, they also earned less per hour than Asian women and white women. Asian women and white women also earned more than Black and Hispanic men.

Even after correcting for age, education and occupational differences there is still a smaller but unexplained gap between men and women. The gap is most apparent when comparing the earnings of White men verse Black women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...-affects-women-of-color-differently-48351/amp

Almost every one of those studies contrasts black women to white men. A couple of them make off the cuff comments about women being outearned by their counterparts, but they don't really provide the numbers for those cases. The main arguments being made are in relation to white men and white women. Also, that last study really flies in the face of the whole gender privilege argument because it said that white and asian women make more money on average than black and latino men, so again, we don't benefit from a gender privilege as much as ya'll claim. I don't really know how much any of those studies apply to what we're discussing. If anything, they seem to suggest that the race gap is more significant than the gender gap, so those studies seem to be proof that the harping ya'll do about the gender gap is just divisive and fruitless.

We just want blk men to stop perpetuating the sexism and misogyny which helps to keep white men on top because it hurts us all

And let's support each other